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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 21:09:15 GMT -5
For those who have played it on test server.
Would it replace any of your existing bot line up and why?
Viable in TT?
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 15, 2017 21:12:46 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 21:42:11 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents. Interesting. Thanks So what bot would you swap out your Dash for? And why |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 15, 2017 22:17:59 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents. Interesting. Thanks So what bot would you swap out your Dash for? And why I would probably swap with my Ancilot, much more firepower + mobility, it pains me to say that though, Lancelot is my fav bot, but it is very underpowered without Ancile and not a 5K AU performer. The dash bot may come for 5K AU, and in its current state that is a good price for it. I also run a Galahad and maybe with the new bot he could indirectly become a bad decision to run, since it will be much more harder to backpedal once the dash bot rushes at you. With that said, I would probably run 2 of the new bot, one with Orkans and another with Plasma, depending on how the meta adjusts to it. |
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 15, 2017 22:18:49 GMT -5
I played with the proto-bot on the Test server, and I would swap out my PDB Griff in a heartbeat. It is everything I wish the Fujin was. Shield is always on, moves very fast, same weapon hardpoints.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 22:30:02 GMT -5
I played with the proto-bot on the Test server, and I would swap out my PDB Griff in a heartbeat. It is everything I wish the Fujin was. Shield is always on, moves very fast, same weapon hardpoints. Ahhh just been staring to really enjoy my Plasma Griffin after avoiding Griffin's like the plague!! My guess is it might be a while still we get the Dash. But working out what not to level up....just in case. |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 15, 2017 22:32:23 GMT -5
I played with the proto-bot on the Test server, and I would swap out my PDB Griff in a heartbeat. It is everything I wish the Fujin was. Shield is always on, moves very fast, same weapon hardpoints. Ahhh just been staring to really enjoy my Plasma Griffin after avoiding Griffin's like the plague!! My guess is it might be a while still we get the Dash. But working out what not to level up....just in case. Just to point out that the Plasma Griff has a little more DPM than the new bot with 3x Tarans. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 22:36:40 GMT -5
Saving up my gold already :-)
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Post by Nitro on Mar 15, 2017 23:02:11 GMT -5
Oh man,and I was thinking about a fifth slot. Oh world why must you force me to choose!?
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 15, 2017 23:07:53 GMT -5
I will start off by saying that the dash bot is way way OP. It will be the new pay to win bot. In my opinion it should only have 1 med slot and 2 light slots, considering its speed, dash, and an ancil. That being said, if it goes live as is I will be investing in one or 5 asap. I would ditch one of my staple AO Griffins for an orkan dash, then replace my RDB Griffin for an RDB Dash, launch rockets and dash into cover. .. Yes please.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 15, 2017 23:08:45 GMT -5
Oh man,and I was thinking about a fifth slot. Oh world why must you force me to choose!? 5th slot, play with Plasma Griffin while you save for the new bot after getting the 5th slot. |
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 15, 2017 23:26:05 GMT -5
I can't see this bot going live in its current state. It's waaay too OP. May as well put 5 heavy hard points on a fury or make flying rhinos with a built in ancile.
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Post by Strayed on Mar 15, 2017 23:35:16 GMT -5
Well, for this bot, think the start of the rhino era but several times worse. IMO, our current splash based meta would be completely destroyed. Maybe the galahad, rhino, or griffin could survive since they are viable with plasma, but nearly all the other bots depend on splash or closing in immensely, which this bot negates.
Another thing I'm worried about is the weapon that can attack through walls, but that's for another thread.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 15, 2017 23:44:06 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents. The test server is not a good indicator of how a bot will perform against TT pilots as most testers don't use their live hangars. I was testing the Dash, firearms, and Furies. I specifically tested Furies in Trident, Zeus, and Treb setups to see how the Dash performs against them. As the Dash is now (45KPH, 150K HP, 3% a sec or 30 secs to regen shield, 10 secs between land/jump sequences), I don't think pilots will use Tarans or Orks on them, as cheaper (Griffin and Rhino) and faster (Rhino and even the Lancelot) chassis already exist that have equivalent or superior knifing firepower. The longer jump cooldown and shield nerf (at 2,250 a sec max, the shield is effectively down for the count once it is down) ensure that the Dash cannot be used as an assualt bot, as it's a sitting duck once it's jump lands and its shield zeroed out. So, I don't think the Dash will replace any of the current TT knifer setups. What I do see the Dash replacing in TT is the the mid-range Fury/Butch, all Fujin builds, and to lesser extent the Plasma Galahad and all Carnage builds. The mid-range Fury/Butch will have a hard time against the mid-range Dash in either Molot or Punisher setups. The Dash cannot be stopped from getting inside 500 meters of a Fury on any map and one jump brings the Dash to near 400m ---- where 1 salvo of Punishers cripples or kills a full HP Fury/Butch --- Molots will just fire outside 630m. IMO, the Fury MRS meta will broken be the MRS setup Dash and the MRS Fury will become a liability in TT. The Fujin is extinct after the Dash lands - period. The Galahad and Carnage could be left out - not because they won't perform after the Dash gets here, but because if you use a Dash, the weakest bot left after the Fury in a TT hangar is the Galahad and Carnage. The Dash has vastly superior firepower to the Gal and higher survivability than the Carnage, so if you are keeping that Fury, then the Gal or the Carnage has to go. Sorry to go long on this, but yes, the Dash is game changing, but the Lancelots won't be the one to be replaced in a TT hangar IMO. |
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Post by acethunder on Mar 15, 2017 23:45:22 GMT -5
I played with the proto-bot on the Test server, and I would swap out my PDB Griff in a heartbeat. It is everything I wish the Fujin was. Shield is always on, moves very fast, same weapon hardpoints. Yes it completely invalidates the Fujin. So that is what I would replace to begin with. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 23:46:28 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents. The test server is not a good indicator of how a bot will perform against TT pilots as most testers don't use their live hangars. I was testing the Dash, firearms, and Furies. I specifically tested Furies in Trident, Zeus, and Treb setups to see how the Dash performs against them. As the Dash is now (45KPH, 150K HP, 3% a sec or 30 secs to regen shield, 10 secs between land/jump sequences), I don't think pilots will use Tarans or Orks on them, as cheaper (Griffin and Rhino) and faster (Rhino and even the Lancelot) chassis already exist that have equivalent or superior knifing firepower. The longer jump cooldown and shield nerf (at 2,250 a sec max, the shield is effectively down for the count once it is down) ensure that the Dash cannot be used as an assualt bot, as it's a sitting duck once it's jump lands and its shield zeroed out. So, I don't think the Dash will replace any of the current TT knifer setups. What I do see the Dash replacing in TT is the the mid-range Fury/Butch, and to lesser extent the Plasma Galahad and all Carnage builds. The mid-range Fury/Butch will have a hard time against the mid-range Dash in either Molot or Punisher setups. The Dash cannot be stopped from getting inside 500 meters of a Fury on any map and one jump brings the Dash to near 400m ---- where 1 salvo of Punishers cripples or kills a full HP Fury/Butch --- Molots will just fire outside 630m. IMO, the Fury MRS meta will broken be the MRS setup Dash and the MRS Fury will become a viability in TT. The Galahad and Carnage could be left out - not because they won't perform after the Dash gets here, but because if you use a Dash, the weakest bot left after the Fury in a TT hangar is the Galahad and Carnage. The Dash has vastly superior firepower to the Gal and higher survivability than the Carnage, of if you are keeping that Fury, then the Gal or the Carnage has to go. Sorry to go long on this, but yes, the Dash is game changing, but the Lancelots won't be the one to be replaced in a TT hangar IMO. You like your carnage's which would you sacrifice - Gal or C? |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 23:46:33 GMT -5
This bot will be a meta shifter, Lancelots will just disapear IMO, and Plasma will get more popularity as TT now is 70%+ just about Orkans and Tridents. The test server is not a good indicator of how a bot will perform against TT pilots as most testers don't use their live hangars. I was testing the Dash, firearms, and Furies. I specifically tested Furies in Trident, Zeus, and Treb setups to see how the Dash performs against them. As the Dash is now (45KPH, 150K HP, 3% a sec or 30 secs to regen shield, 10 secs between land/jump sequences), I don't think pilots will use Tarans or Orks on them, as cheaper (Griffin and Rhino) and faster (Rhino and even the Lancelot) chassis already exist that have equivalent or superior knifing firepower. The longer jump cooldown and shield nerf (at 2,250 a sec max, the shield is effectively down for the count once it is down) ensure that the Dash cannot be used as an assualt bot, as it's a sitting duck once it's jump lands and its shield zeroed out. So, I don't think the Dash will replace any of the current TT knifer setups. What I do see the Dash replacing in TT is the the mid-range Fury/Butch, and to lesser extent the Plasma Galahad and all Carnage builds. The mid-range Fury/Butch will have a hard time against the mid-range Dash in either Molot or Punisher setups. The Dash cannot be stopped from getting inside 500 meters of a Fury on any map and one jump brings the Dash to near 400m ---- where 1 salvo of Punishers cripples or kills a full HP Fury/Butch --- Molots will just fire outside 630m. IMO, the Fury MRS meta will broken be the MRS setup Dash and the MRS Fury will become a viability in TT. The Galahad and Carnage could be left out - not because they won't perform after the Dash gets here, but because if you use a Dash, the weakest bot left after the Fury in a TT hangar is the Galahad and Carnage. The Dash has vastly superior firepower to the Gal and higher survivability than the Carnage, of if you are keeping that Fury, then the Gal or the Carnage has to go. Sorry to go long on this, but yes, the Dash is game changing, but the Lancelots won't be the one to be replaced in a TT hangar IMO. You like your carnage's which would you sacrifice - Gal or C? |
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 15, 2017 23:50:58 GMT -5
Is Dash going to be a real thing? I'm saving up for a Lance and I'm almost there but afraid to buy. Don't worry, it will almost certainly be available for irl $$ or gambling boxes only, like the Wild West Bots. |
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Mar 16, 2017 0:04:14 GMT -5
Is Dash going to be a real thing? I'm saving up for a Lance and I'm almost there but afraid to buy. Don't worry, it will almost certainly be available for irl $$ or gambling boxes only, like the Wild West Bots. Agreed. Anyway it's just a slightly faster dashing fujin. Probably won't be too worth the price tag (I'm expecting them to cost like the wild bots) |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 16, 2017 0:04:36 GMT -5
The test server is not a good indicator of how a bot will perform against TT pilots as most testers don't use their live hangars. I was testing the Dash, firearms, and Furies. I specifically tested Furies in Trident, Zeus, and Treb setups to see how the Dash performs against them. As the Dash is now (45KPH, 150K HP, 3% a sec or 30 secs to regen shield, 10 secs between land/jump sequences), I don't think pilots will use Tarans or Orks on them, as cheaper (Griffin and Rhino) and faster (Rhino and even the Lancelot) chassis already exist that have equivalent or superior knifing firepower. The longer jump cooldown and shield nerf (at 2,250 a sec max, the shield is effectively down for the count once it is down) ensure that the Dash cannot be used as an assualt bot, as it's a sitting duck once it's jump lands and its shield zeroed out. So, I don't think the Dash will replace any of the current TT knifer setups. What I do see the Dash replacing in TT is the the mid-range Fury/Butch, and to lesser extent the Plasma Galahad and all Carnage builds. The mid-range Fury/Butch will have a hard time against the mid-range Dash in either Molot or Punisher setups. The Dash cannot be stopped from getting inside 500 meters of a Fury on any map and one jump brings the Dash to near 400m ---- where 1 salvo of Punishers cripples or kills a full HP Fury/Butch --- Molots will just fire outside 630m. IMO, the Fury MRS meta will broken be the MRS setup Dash and the MRS Fury will become a viability in TT. The Galahad and Carnage could be left out - not because they won't perform after the Dash gets here, but because if you use a Dash, the weakest bot left after the Fury in a TT hangar is the Galahad and Carnage. The Dash has vastly superior firepower to the Gal and higher survivability than the Carnage, of if you are keeping that Fury, then the Gal or the Carnage has to go. Sorry to go long on this, but yes, the Dash is game changing, but the Lancelots won't be the one to be replaced in a TT hangar IMO. You like your carnage's which would you sacrifice - Gal or C? The Galahad would be chopped. The Carnage will be even more valuable once the Dash gets here, as there will be another energy shield bot that needed its shield zeroed. You may notice that Thunder Carnages have come back to TT - this is largely in part to counter Anicilots, as only 6-7 individual shots (at L12 this is 3-4 seconds if Thunders fired alternately) zero out all energy shields. This makes the TC the most efficient/no compromise energy shield beater in the game ----- and it will crush a Dash at 350-500m during that painfully long 10 seconds between jumps. So the Carnage takes on more utility when the Dash gets here. The Galahad just gets a another bot that it will be weak against. |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 16, 2017 0:07:26 GMT -5
The test server is not a good indicator of how a bot will perform against TT pilots as most testers don't use their live hangars. I assumed that taking into consideration what we current have on live servers, as well as what I said about Orkans and Tridents. The meta is already changing, Fury with Tridents will lose its popularity when Zeus bug gets fixed, I play with Lancelot all the time as he is my favorite bot and I can say that this new bot outclasses him in almost every way, save for the Lancelot ability to have both physical shield and Ancile. Lancelot is not a 5K Au performer, and it is one of the easiest bots to outplay since without rush he is a rock (Rush is not reliable neither). Anything that has the ability to jump or travel short distances in a fast maner has outplay potential over any other bot that just stands on their ground. |
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 16, 2017 2:51:11 GMT -5
I've only seen the midweight dash bot, but these things look really OP. They are giving it probably the most powerful midweight combination with the triple mid hard points with the ability to dash great distances, AND an ancile shield.
Most people are going to use the Dash for defense just like the Griffin jump, making it hard to close in on them while they pepper you with hard shots.
I agree with the guy above, the Lancelot is in trouble.
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Post by ChillyTempurrrrr on Mar 16, 2017 2:57:44 GMT -5
i would swap out all my bots for it  |
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Mar 16, 2017 3:54:15 GMT -5
I've only seen the midweight dash bot, but these things look really OP. They are giving it probably the most powerful midweight combination with the triple mid hard points with the ability to dash great distances, AND an ancile shield. Most people are going to use the Dash for defense just like the Griffin jump, making it hard to close in on them while they pepper you with hard shots. I agree with the guy above, the Lancelot is in trouble. Ancilot have both physical and energy shield. Dash has only energy shield. A taran Ancilot can take out a dash anytime. As for the jump distance, it isn't exactly great...abt the distance of the bridge (city side) of Springfield map. Edit: I'm referring to MKII version (something like tht, can't remember the exact name) |
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Post by gamingbulldog on Mar 16, 2017 7:15:16 GMT -5
I think this bot is, at least currently, hugely OP on the Test Server. If it goes live in this state, Fujin will definitely become obsolete. Plasma will gain in popularity due to it being able to bypass the Dash's shield. I see a lot of Galahad will be underpowered. I doubt this. On the Test Server, it felt like the perfect counter. Plasma was everywhere so the shield was great. Yes, I think backpedaling Orkans will be more difficult, but I did not get to test that much as there were not many on the test server. Of course, the Live Server will react differently than the Test did. Based on the evidence, I think it will be popular and powerful replacing and degrading some bots. But, like all bots, it will have counters.
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Post by Desolator on Mar 16, 2017 8:45:45 GMT -5
How about plasma Gareth as a good counter for this bot. Gareth has the speed to evade missiles if the dash has orkans and the shield to negate plasma?
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Mar 16, 2017 9:16:12 GMT -5
For those who have played it on test server. Would it replace any of your existing bot line up and why? Viable in TT? As DASH recently existed in the last test-server (2nd weekend of march) Imo, I see it making the Fujin obsolete. i currently dont run a Fujin in my hangar or DASH would replace it easily... DASH will be an 'auxillery mek' for myself that I bust-out from time to time and wont have a regular spot in jy prinary hangar. |
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Mar 16, 2017 9:22:49 GMT -5
Is Dash going to be a real thing? I'm saving up for a Lance and I'm almost there but afraid to buy. Dont let reluctance and public opinion sway your hangar plan. having a diversified hangar of meks and weapons ensures you a myriad of hangar possibilities and insurance from unsuspecting buffs and nerfs... You will ge set for any immediate change... a bending reed in the wind... as Master Bruce Lee said: "Be like water" |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 16, 2017 9:27:27 GMT -5
I hope they kill the ancile on it. Otherwise it would replace everything but the Fury as I aquired them.
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Post by johnny5 on Mar 17, 2017 23:35:16 GMT -5
Apparently I must have been playing on a different test server than you all. This bot will most definitely replace/make obsolete the Fujin, but it still looks like an overcharged battery when you hit it with energy weapons. As far as the shield goes, dash won't save you from splash weapons long enough for shield regeneration to start. The bot could use some tweaking, but I don't think it's any more OP than the Rino was.
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