Grimsunder
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 15, 2017 7:09:45 GMT -5
Since Diamond league is basically a midrange marathon of which team has the most RDB Griffs and trident furys I'm thinking of getting an Ancile. What's a better setup for it orks/tarans and my Lancelot or an Aphid Leo cuz of it's enormous health pool? I'm kinda leaning towards the Leo since my lances shields seem to break as soon as someone looks at them hard lol.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Mar 15, 2017 7:11:45 GMT -5
aphid leo often suffers from a firing bug. I switch set ups often but taran ancile lance is what I always end up coming back to.
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Post by shivaswrath on Mar 15, 2017 8:37:30 GMT -5
It helps in midrange, I just got on and am upgrading, it's nice on Lance.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Mar 15, 2017 8:53:38 GMT -5
Can't speak about the pot head leo as I don't have one but my Orkan Lance has been improved immeasurably by having a ancile. The thing is a beast. Even at level 8 its usable. Can take on multiple bots easily and doesnt matter of its plasma or rocket...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 11:00:10 GMT -5
Since Diamond league is basically a midrange marathon of which team has the most RDB Griffs and trident furys I'm thinking of getting an Ancile. What's a better setup for it orks/tarans and my Lancelot or an Aphid Leo cuz of it's enormous health pool? I'm kinda leaning towards the Leo since my lances shields seem to break as soon as someone looks at them hard lol. Lancelot with Ancile Tarans are the best.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 15, 2017 12:15:00 GMT -5
Since Diamond league is basically a midrange marathon of which team has the most RDB Griffs and trident furys I'm thinking of getting an Ancile. What's a better setup for it orks/tarans and my Lancelot or an Aphid Leo cuz of it's enormous health pool? I'm kinda leaning towards the Leo since my lances shields seem to break as soon as someone looks at them hard lol. Lancelot with Ancile Tarans are the best. In iOS silver it almost makes you feel invincible. That is until you get gang banged and then it all goes down really fast.
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Post by buford on Mar 15, 2017 14:48:51 GMT -5
Since Diamond league is basically a midrange marathon of which team has the most RDB Griffs and trident furys I'm thinking of getting an Ancile. What's a better setup for it orks/tarans and my Lancelot or an Aphid Leo cuz of it's enormous health pool? I'm kinda leaning towards the Leo since my lances shields seem to break as soon as someone looks at them hard lol. Does this mean if I get passed diamond it's not as bad? Because right now I'm ready to lose my friggin mind facing 5/6 players with tridents every damn match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:57:08 GMT -5
I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back...
EDIT - also interested in anyone's thoughts on this subject and the prototype dash bot. It seems to me that Dashbot, with three Tarans, and already having a built-in ancile, might outclass Ancilot.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 15, 2017 15:50:52 GMT -5
I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back... I ran all version just to try things out. It seems at Silver the Lance is too squishy. Too many rockets flying around. It probably worsens as the tiers go higher
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Post by wannabetoughguy on Mar 15, 2017 16:16:35 GMT -5
I don't have the 350m aphids, but have the ancile on my level 12 Lancelot. At first I was running orkans, but found it hard to defend myself once exposed/out in open. Tarans and ancile is the way to go IMO, tarans scare the 「dookie」 outta people lol. Just work on defensive tactics such as movement and cover with an ancile Leo. Try to get your enemy flanked too
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 15, 2017 16:24:27 GMT -5
Pothead warrior is for squad play. I wouldn't recommend it for pugs. Plus the firing bug is annoying currently.
Plasma gives you range, but is nullified by other ancilots/lancelots/shield bots. Plasma destroys everything else.
For overall utility and your first go at it, I'd recommend orkans. They kill everything given time, which if you have just one squad mate with you, whatever it is you're pointing them at just dies. The 300m range is a downer, but one way or another, you're going to jump on a learning curve. Be patient.
And realise you are using an ancile for increased survivability, so your damage is going to go down. They don't do a lot of damage, but they win games.
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Post by wannabetoughguy on Mar 15, 2017 16:36:56 GMT -5
I refer to my taran/ancile Lancelot as RoboCop.... I swear that music from the original starts playing when I enter the scene lol.
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Grimsunder
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 15, 2017 16:39:40 GMT -5
The reduction in damage is why I'm seriously considering trying the Leo 1st. 3 aphids is still a huge threat to anything in range and the fact you're chucking over obstacles means survivability goes up even more.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 15, 2017 16:43:13 GMT -5
The reduction in damage is why I'm seriously considering trying the Leo 1st. 3 aphids is still a huge threat to anything in range and the fact you're chucking over obstacles means survivability goes up even more. Not like you'd think. Huge threat is a bit of an overstatement. And you do get a loss to damage as well, more than if you ran about anything else. Shield bots reign supreme these days. In squad play, this changes in that you help your teammates survive while adding some DPS to the mix. But not a lot. Again, the drive here is team play. Now dont get me wrong, I love my pothead warrior, but there's a time and and place. And truth be told, the ancilot does it better, and now is not the time, nor the place, unfortunately. I do miss my aphids tho. And the meta is filling up fast with anciles, and aphids is a miserable way to deal with it. About the best you'll do is kill a carnage or 2 maybe.
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Post by Duodec on Mar 15, 2017 19:45:54 GMT -5
I run an Ancilot in my current hanger. The thing I've noticed about it is that it's not terribly strong by itself if you're being aggressive. It's much more of a teamwork focused bot with a lot of durability. Bring an ally and it's game on. You should lead the charge whenever possible.
You can do decent damage when your Tarans cycle up but if you're charging in they'll more often than not be reloading when the enemy is mostly dead and still firing. Orkans would still be reloading all day.
I've found a lot more success with it as a defensive bot when soloing. On Shenzen or Dead City I use it with great success covering center. I pop from behind cover and unload until the Tarans run dry then get back behind cover and let them reload while the Ancile recharges. Red mid range support can mostly be ignored, and you might just get a Griffin bro to back you up, locking up center.
I've run the pothead Leo as well but I finally took it out of my lineup because it's so buggy. It's usage can be somewhat niche too. Certain maps it's great, but the same maps are usually great for a thunder carnage too and you're a bag of silver to them. It also requires much more teamwork. You don't have the advantage of range that other support bots have when your knifer bro gets popped and you're left alone.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 15, 2017 20:53:13 GMT -5
Have run Pothead and all versions of Lancelot. All at 8/8.
Pothead is great as a support bot on Dead City.
Lancelot + thunder + Taran or Orkan - I found too squishy. And very hit or miss.
Ancilot Taran is the one I've found to be most effective in Diamond 2&3 (iOS).
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Post by Shahmatt on Mar 15, 2017 21:04:45 GMT -5
IMO the Leo is less effective at knife fighter range because it's main armament is the heavy point, which is inconveniently positioned at the center of the torso. To fire it too much body would need to be exposed. Moving in and out of firing position also takes too long.
Better to use the Leo as a mid-range (500m) support bot, shooting a Trident and pins. It is easier to expose the torso and you last a lot longer.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 16, 2017 2:36:22 GMT -5
I got an Ancile just to satiate my jealousy for all the Ancilots I was seeing. It's great fun but I miss the firepower and switch back to a Thunder often, and switch between Tarans and Orkans often too.
It does seem the Ancile makes one a high value target and so much extra plasma comes your way, or far away Thunders want to kill the shielding.
There's tradoffs, as there should be, and that's why I waffle on the build so much. Recently I was in a Thunder Orkan Lancelot and confronted a plasma Ancilot 1 on 1. My Thunder took out his shield then the Orkans did their work with nary a scratch on me. A nice by the book kill, but often it's the other way round and I have an Ancile when a Thunder is better or vice versa.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 16, 2017 3:17:36 GMT -5
Ancilot's defense is beastly. But you still can't hope to charge center of Shenzhen alone and survive it. You'll still have to use your head and use cover until opportunity presents itself.
Going against more than one PDB Griffin isn't in your favor either; you will come out dead or broken if you survive. However, you can take out a PDB one on one then go against another one and pull it off.
Going alongside another Lancelot is a force to be reckoned with too.
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Post by worstplayer on Mar 16, 2017 3:19:32 GMT -5
I have one and it really helps turn games around in a pinch because I can take alot of fire and suppress reds advancing ,it's best played defensively and around teammates , I think the ancile shines when it is maxed , mine is lvl 12 and Trident Furies don't even phase me I just ignore them , I've switched between tarans and orkans but I've settled on tarans as the constant fire helps in keeping more pressure , I'm actually thinking about buying another one to put on my other Lance cause I just like rendering rockets useless
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Post by 『 Dᴇᴀᴛʜ 』 on Mar 16, 2017 3:54:07 GMT -5
I have two Lancelots myself and I would always equip them with thunder/ork but always found myself getting destroyed by DB & RDB Griffins + the usual Trident Fury. So I decided to buy an Ancile and try it out.
Together with orkans it's really good against other shielded bots but you'll miss the damage of the thunder rather often. So I put tarans insted and I had a tank in my hands strong against all bots except galahad I guess, and only suffer crushing defeat against a thunder/ork Lancelot...
Oh and btw you will be loved by your little teammates so much so that they'll stick to you all game long... literally...
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Post by Vindictive999 on Mar 16, 2017 4:11:58 GMT -5
I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back... I ran all version just to try things out. It seems at Silver the Lance is too squishy. Too many rockets flying around. It probably worsens as the tiers go higher So the fact that pretty much every hanger has one leads you to believe that the Ancilot is too squishy the higher up you go? Just to be clear you have no experience with this and are just extrapolating? So that anyone reading your post can get context. @heavypanda I would say do it, I was in your exact position and have not looked back. I run with orkans and it is a very much hit and run bot. Boost in 5 seconds to attack, then 5 seconds to get to cover. Sometimes you can get away without losing any health it can be that durable. Just be aware of your surroundings...
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Mar 16, 2017 4:14:53 GMT -5
It's great when team mates go with you - particularly plasma Griffins who can use the Ancile....and add huge firepower to my Tarans.
Yet I find many team mates simply ignore the benefits and I'm left fighting battle on own!.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 16, 2017 8:30:06 GMT -5
I ran all version just to try things out. It seems at Silver the Lance is too squishy. Too many rockets flying around. It probably worsens as the tiers go higher So the fact that pretty much every hanger has one leads you to believe that the Ancilot is too squishy the higher up you go? Just to be clear you have no experience with this and are just extrapolating? So that anyone reading your post can get context. @heavypanda I would say do it, I was in your exact position and have not looked back. I run with orkans and it is a very much hit and run bot. Boost in 5 seconds to attack, then 5 seconds to get to cover. Sometimes you can get away without losing any health it can be that durable. Just be aware of your surroundings... You missed the point. Panda is running a pot head. Without the ancile the lance is too squishy. You can't survive a db blast. But with an ancile you can easily survive one and kill the griff with hp to spare.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Mar 16, 2017 8:54:02 GMT -5
So the fact that pretty much every hanger has one leads you to believe that the Ancilot is too squishy the higher up you go? Just to be clear you have no experience with this and are just extrapolating? So that anyone reading your post can get context. @heavypanda I would say do it, I was in your exact position and have not looked back. I run with orkans and it is a very much hit and run bot. Boost in 5 seconds to attack, then 5 seconds to get to cover. Sometimes you can get away without losing any health it can be that durable. Just be aware of your surroundings... You missed the point. Panda is running a pot head. Without the ancile the lance is too squishy. You can't survive a db blast. But with an ancile you can easily survive one and kill the griff with hp to spare. Er no where does he say pot head? He ask's specifically about an Ancilot... Please consider what you are posting. "I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back..."
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 16, 2017 8:57:30 GMT -5
"I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back..." You sir should reconsider your posting.
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Post by Vindictive999 on Mar 16, 2017 8:58:50 GMT -5
Oh I give up
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Grimsunder
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Post by Grimsunder on Mar 16, 2017 10:27:56 GMT -5
"I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back..." You sir should reconsider your posting. To be fair Pothead was a name specifically used to describe the Leo Ancile (usually with aphids) setup and the Lancelot with ancil has been Ancilot.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 16, 2017 10:35:15 GMT -5
"I am following this thread closely. Would like everyone's feedback that runs Ancilot if possible. I have resisted the urge so far, and run Plasma Griff and Thunder Ork Lance instead, but really thinking about making Thunder/Ork Lance into Ancilot and turning Plasma Griff into another DB. Hate to bench a leveled up thunder though is what is holding me back..." You sir should reconsider your posting. You're wrong. He's not. It was another poster that had a pothead, the quoted material (which was originally posted by heavypanda) is correct.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 16, 2017 10:37:20 GMT -5
So the fact that pretty much every hanger has one leads you to believe that the Ancilot is too squishy the higher up you go? Just to be clear you have no experience with this and are just extrapolating? So that anyone reading your post can get context. @heavypanda I would say do it, I was in your exact position and have not looked back. I run with orkans and it is a very much hit and run bot. Boost in 5 seconds to attack, then 5 seconds to get to cover. Sometimes you can get away without losing any health it can be that durable. Just be aware of your surroundings... You missed the point. Panda is running a pot head. Without the ancile the lance is too squishy. You can't survive a db blast. But with an ancile you can easily survive one and kill the griff with hp to spare. You are flat out wrong. Go back, read it all again. Heavypanda is NOT running a pothead, and that's not what he was asking about.
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