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Post by amidf on Mar 13, 2017 22:30:53 GMT -5
I have a DB grif and a PDB grif. I am levelling up two aphids. Had planned to put then on PDB but also considering AphOrk.
I also run a plasmahad, an RDB grif, and either thunders or tridents on a carnage. If you take the midrangers out of the picture, I'm a little light on rockets compared to plasma. So maybe the AphTar grif makes sense if you consider aphids as a decent option against physical shields.
Hanger is about 7/7.5. Any advice?
-Amid
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 13, 2017 22:38:48 GMT -5
Both are good but personally I prefer aphid/tarans because of the latter's shorter reload time.
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Post by amidf on Mar 13, 2017 23:06:33 GMT -5
Both are good but personally I prefer aphid/tarans because of the latter's shorter reload time. Had not considered that aspect. Any contrary views? -Amid |
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 13, 2017 23:11:06 GMT -5
I like using a aphid/Taran as the weapon ranges are the same. If you close into 300 or less DB builds will chew you up. As their burst damage is superior. Better to stay around 350 lobbing your aphids over obstacles and use terans when the time is right. At least that is what works for me. I've had a lot of success with this build. Stuka Griffs are deadly though when played right. I've just not gotten the hang of it. If I were you I'd try both and see what fits your play style. I'm in gold 2 with 7/9aphids 8terans fyi.
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Post by rustedscrap on Mar 13, 2017 23:14:57 GMT -5
One more point... as I move up in tiers my Tarans are becoming less useful as I'm encountering more and more shield bots so evenutually I'll switcheck out my plasma Griffs for plasma galahads and dB Griffs. I'm running an ancilot with plasma and a thunder orkan Lance as well.
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Post by 3castle on Mar 13, 2017 23:16:42 GMT -5
yeah, aphid taran works pretty good
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 13, 2017 23:32:29 GMT -5
For me, the Tarans force me to be exposed for too long, and are not great with all the shield bots out there. The orkans unload quicker, so you can lob aphids from behind cover, then either step out, dump the 'cans into the target and jump to safety, or lob, jump, dump, and recover, depending on the situation. If you lob/jump from 350m, you are in orkan range by the time you are coming down.
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Post by Heishiro on Mar 14, 2017 3:47:37 GMT -5
For me, the Tarans force me to be exposed for too long, and are not great with all the shield bots out there. The orkans unload quicker, so you can lob aphids from behind cover, then either step out, dump the 'cans into the target and jump to safety, or lob, jump, dump, and recover, depending on the situation. If you lob/jump from 350m, you are in orkan range by the time you are coming down. same here, i tried a 9/12 plasma griffin but really cant work because of the low health (specially vs shielded bots). while ork/aphid or DB can kill 2-3 bots and still alive, just use the jump wise and dont play too aggressive |
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 14, 2017 6:33:04 GMT -5
Yeah, you can play Aphid Orkan just as an Aphid robot, try to stay at 350m, lob your Aphids and get out of range or in cover. If the enemy comes within 250m, jump and unload the Orkan. Especially good on DC center and PP.
On Yama, I often go on the middle platform but stay on the "home" side so that the ramp gives me cover from red snipers. If a red approaches from the front, I can pepper it with Aphids and jump/orkan it if it gets close. If an enemy approaches from the side it will be within Orkan range (300m) if it gets into line of sight, so I can take it out with Orkans too. Very effective way to defend a blue center beacon in Yama.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 14, 2017 6:49:50 GMT -5
Magnums are for bots that are capable of staying out in the open firing for long periods of time. Griffin is not one of those bots. That being said, full plasma griffins are exceptional at killing other griffins, carnages and ambushing shield bots with a teammate.
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Mar 14, 2017 8:05:00 GMT -5
Both are good but personally I prefer aphid/tarans because of the latter's shorter reload time. Had not considered that aspect. Any contrary views? -Amid From my perspective, Orkans pair up with Aphids better than Tarans. With an AO build, you can still utilize the big red button to launch your Aphids. The auto-reload of the Orkans will replentish those couple of lost shots quickly. Tarans don't have the auto-reload, so you have to be more precise with your button mashing. Another point to consider is that Tarans require line-of-sight. The primary advantage of Aphids is the ability to fire from behind cover. Leaving yourself exposed in a Griffin is suicide, and throwing Aphids makes you a priority target for the enemy. Also, Orkans can still beat up those pesky corner-shooters that Tarans can't touch. So, that's my reasoning. It may or may not work the same for you. I suggest trying both and picking the one you like best. Or get 4 Aphids and run one of each. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 8:15:24 GMT -5
I prefer Aphid Orkan.
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Post by amidf on Mar 14, 2017 8:26:22 GMT -5
Ok, a lot of good reasoning both ways. I will switch them off to get a feel for both.
Several argued against plasma griffin in general, which doesn't solve my issue that I only have one other plasma bot. Maybe I should buy another galahad. Or (one day) put the tarans on a lance. I could put them on a rhino but the meta seems to have turned against them.
We shall see!
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Post by //OBIONE\\ on Mar 14, 2017 9:30:44 GMT -5
Plasma works well on the Galahad, because of the shield, you can stay out and blast away, just don't get flanked or come at from two directions, because it's hard for Pixonic to scrape melted Galahad off the arena to get it ready for the next battle...
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Post by ♠♥ fubar ♦♣ on Mar 14, 2017 10:01:06 GMT -5
I guess it depends on your tier. For gold tier, aphids orkan griffs are more versatile precisely because there are so many shielded bots and ancilots.
You can you the aphids to take down the shield and then unload your orkans and then jump the heck out of dodge.
Works great on the center beacon on Yamantau, also dead city.
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Post by miscanthus on Mar 14, 2017 10:04:43 GMT -5
I've tried both versions and did better with the aph/orks. When I used the aph/tars, I really missed the DPS of the mags. A full plasma Griffin is a beast when played properly. It can melt faces when flanking opponents.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 14, 2017 11:29:39 GMT -5
I like Aphid/Taran because it has quicker reload and it deals two different types of damage. You're not going to obliterate either type of shield that way, so you give a little and get a little.
Both variations on the DB are very useful in their own way though.
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Post by amidf on Mar 14, 2017 23:35:21 GMT -5
Inma try it both ways. I guess the question I really should have asked is should I play AphOrk + PDB griffins or DB + AphTar griffins. For now I will trade between them.
In the meantime I am not sure if I will put the mags on another gala and buy a taran or buy 2 tarans for an ancilot. I will just save wsp and gold until I know what's next.
-Amid
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Apr 16, 2017 10:15:56 GMT -5
Aphids/orkans griffin
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Post by mechtout on Apr 16, 2017 10:26:29 GMT -5
one of each
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Apr 16, 2017 21:14:19 GMT -5
I run a Stuka and a DB Griffin most of time.
I agree, with so many shield bots, PDB Griffin can be exposed for to long. The only real solution is looking for non-physical shield bots or running with a blue mate.
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Post by amidf on Apr 16, 2017 21:57:50 GMT -5
Necro!
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Post by The VVatcher on Apr 17, 2017 8:37:07 GMT -5
I run a Stuka and a DB Griffin most of time. I agree, with so many shield bots, PDB Griffin can be exposed for to long. The only real solution is looking for non-physical shield bots or running with a blue mate. If I run an all-Griffin line up, I would run more PDB than the others. They would be specifically deployed for Lancelot control. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Apr 17, 2017 9:59:44 GMT -5
I run a Stuka and a DB Griffin most of time. I agree, with so many shield bots, PDB Griffin can be exposed for to long. The only real solution is looking for non-physical shield bots or running with a blue mate. If I run an all-Griffin line up, I would run more PDB than the others. They would be specifically deployed for Lancelot control. I agree a PDB Griffin is a good counter for Lancelot control! I was running 3 Griffins while I was leveling my heavies to 9, but then I wanted some variety and bought a Galahad & (Rhino now gathering dust at L9). I continued and my last 2 bots were a Lancelot and recently a Fury. I currently have my end game hangar as I envisioned it - almost done leveling to 10. |
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Post by miatahead on Apr 17, 2017 11:07:33 GMT -5
db
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Post by amoebastudios on Apr 17, 2017 14:11:29 GMT -5
Orks work well because it's quicker to unload the damage, thus limiting damage to yourself. As a defensive ambusher, you should be able to knock some hp off before they get to you, and by that point you can finish it off with the ork.
I still prefer full DB to OrkAphid though.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 17, 2017 14:52:12 GMT -5
I prefer the Orkans myself.
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Post by amidf on Apr 17, 2017 15:13:54 GMT -5
My OP is quite old. But I will soon be running an AphTar build because I will be using orkmag on a hellfire rhino (yes, I know, the rhino's day is past).
So I will have two "new" bots to play with.
Down the road I will need the orkans for a lance, and then once I have an ancile level I will use the tarans for it. So lots of weapon swapping in my future.
-Amid
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