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Post by Nitro on Oct 19, 2019 8:16:32 GMT -5
Y'all over here complaining about Tyr's ability and don't stop to consider that pix is likely doing this to sell Operation passes with the new ancient Tyr. That's fine. I already have my Tyr and I'll take a buff. Anything to help me deal with maxed Phantoms. Amen |
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Post by Fry on Oct 19, 2019 8:45:41 GMT -5
Rebalance list: Fenrir: +10% aegis regenerarion speed Tyr: When going to Support mode Tyr instantly repairs 20.000 durability in its range Haechi: +15% energy shield durability, -2 sec ability cooldown Kumiho: +15% durability Hussar: +10% damage Marquess: +10% damage Dragoon: +5% damage Shocktrain: +10% damage, 5 charges Blaze: +5% damage Does the Tyr ability instantly heal itself 20,000 hp? According to the test server videos that I watched yes. Now, it has a 5 seconds cooldown for shapeshifting. |
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 19, 2019 8:56:28 GMT -5
Rebalance list: Fenrir: +10% aegis regenerarion speed Tyr: When going to Support mode Tyr instantly repairs 20.000 durability in its range Haechi: +15% energy shield durability, -2 sec ability cooldown Kumiho: +15% durability Hussar: +10% damage Marquess: +10% damage Dragoon: +5% damage Shocktrain: +10% damage, 5 charges Blaze: +5% damage Does the Tyr ability instantly heal itself 20,000 hp? It’s like having a built-in Wonder Worker ? |
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Post by Desc440 on Oct 19, 2019 9:44:09 GMT -5
Does the Tyr ability instantly heal itself 20,000 hp? According to the test server videos that I whatched yes. Now, it has a 5 seconds cooldown for shapshfting. Ah so they did add a cooldown...
Nevertheless, you still heal more by continuously cycling if my math is correct because a Mk2 12 Tyr heals 16k or so HP in 5 seconds vs 20k instant you get by cycling. This is even more flagrant for not-maxed Tyrs.
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Post by Fry on Oct 19, 2019 10:12:27 GMT -5
According to the test server videos that I watched yes. Now, it has a 5 seconds cooldown for shapeshifting. Ah so they did add a cooldown...
Nevertheless, you still heal more by continuously cycling if my math is correct because a Mk2 12 Tyr heals 16k or so HP in 5 seconds vs 20k instant you get by cycling. This is even more flagrant for not-maxed Tyrs.
Did you consider the Legendary Pilot's skill? 20% more healing 15% True Ace |
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Post by Koko Bop on Oct 19, 2019 11:15:15 GMT -5
As said, the regen speed of the Fenrir's shield is not what the issue is... Also, if Tyr heals 20k each time it goes into support mode, you'll do more healing my continuously switching back and forther between assault and support mode than by staying in support mode. Doesn't really make sense. This totally supports my developing play style w/ Tyr...notice the shift takes a second...one second...each way: in to strike, out for speed/maneuver/heal. If this goes live, Tyr will become my first truly meta bot; already have TrueAce, Mechanic, and Physical Shield expert in place. Durability buff for Fen is welcome, but speed is the need ...And *great news* for Haichi...absolutely one of my favorite bots ever, even after the nerfs, would LOVE to bring her back to the field *** EDIT - just saw the news re: 5-sec cooldown: ALL the swear words.... |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 19, 2019 11:49:32 GMT -5
According to the test server videos that I whatched yes. Now, it has a 5 seconds cooldown for shapshfting. Ah so they did add a cooldown...
Nevertheless, you still heal more by continuously cycling if my math is correct because a Mk2 12 Tyr heals 16k or so HP in 5 seconds vs 20k instant you get by cycling. This is even more flagrant for not-maxed Tyrs.
A few comments: Someone discord mentioned that continuous healing still occurs. Any confirmation? 20k burst, is that for lvl 8 and does it increase with leveling? Does 5s include the 1s transition or is it effectively 6-7s between healing burst? Still need a speed buff, but I am building one in WS just in case. |
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Post by godzillasaurus on Oct 19, 2019 12:13:05 GMT -5
Imo not really interesting unless I see "Ao Jun nerf" on the list lmao
That Tyr buff is no joke, though, especially if it gets to keep the gradual healing.
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Post by Fry on Oct 19, 2019 12:34:15 GMT -5
Ah so they did add a cooldown...
Nevertheless, you still heal more by continuously cycling if my math is correct because a Mk2 12 Tyr heals 16k or so HP in 5 seconds vs 20k instant you get by cycling. This is even more flagrant for not-maxed Tyrs.
A few comments: Someone discord mentioned that continuous healing still occurs. Any confirmation? 20k burst, is that for lvl 8 and does it increase with leveling? Does 5s include the 1s transition or is it effectively 6-7s between healing burst? Still need a speed buff, but I am building one in WS just in case. Yes, it keeps the continuous healing. I don't know if the 20k burst is for all levels or only for level 8. Everytime that you push the ability button you have to wait for 5 seconds. |
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Post by Nitro on Oct 19, 2019 14:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by GuitarGuy on Oct 19, 2019 15:08:55 GMT -5
Dragoons plus 5!? Why? its already way overpowered for a 600m weapon. You can dang near brawl with them now there so overpowered....SMH...
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Post by go red on Oct 19, 2019 15:13:02 GMT -5
As said, the regen speed of the Fenrir's shield is not what the issue is... Also, if Tyr heals 20k each time it goes into support mode, you'll do more healing my continuously switching back and forther between assault and support mode than by staying in support mode. Doesn't really make sense. This totally supports my developing play style w/ Tyr...notice the shift takes a second...one second...each way: in to strike, out for speed/maneuver/heal. If this goes live, Tyr will become my first truly meta bot; already have TrueAce, Mechanic, and Physical Shield expert in place. Durability buff for Fen is welcome, but speed is the need ...And *great news* for Haichi...absolutely one of my favorite bots ever, even after the nerfs, would LOVE to bring her back to the field *** EDIT - just saw the news re: 5-sec cooldown: ALL the swear words.... 5s cooldown is a nerf! I would rather keep the 1s cooldown without the 20k healing burst |
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Post by Nitro on Oct 19, 2019 15:13:12 GMT -5
Dragoons plus 5!? Why? its already way overpowered for a 600m weapon. You can dang near brawl with them now there so overpowered....SMH... They didn't have enough people pouring silver into them. As for me, wellllll, my dragoon bully is a permanent midrange sniper in my hangar. Liked em so much that I leveled them to 12. Another boost is exactly what I like to see! |
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Post by Nitro on Oct 19, 2019 15:17:22 GMT -5
My Dragoon Fury can always do with more damage   ....and to think I almost sold my 4 shocktrains just before the Yan-di event - something evil inside me said "Don't do it"  I still have 2 Haechi so they might get a run again with fortifier on them (this buff surprises me tbh although it could be a bait and switch to sell the latest ops pass with the new skin). I have been sitting on 2 x L1 Blaze so if I have enough time/resources I might look at them again. GET. A. BEHEMOTH. God DAMN is a dragoon behemoth INSANE!!! Hey, who is that 600m away? Well, since the enemy team has 3 beacons and I just used deathmark, I will send my burst of 371,000 damage their way. No kidding the burst (within 5sec and only needing the enemy team to have 3 beacons) is almost 375,000!!! What you need: adrian, gunsmith, master gunsmith, adamant gunsmith, 3 maxed Thermonuclear Reactor, a deathmark, and 4 maxed dragoons. Also a message to pix that you aren't hacking and you are not deleting people from the game. Lol, dead serious though, three hundread and seventyone ?fluffernutter?ING THOUSAND damage, in a burst of 5 shots. Boi we broke  |
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Post by reckless1 on Oct 19, 2019 15:21:17 GMT -5
My Dragoon Fury can always do with more damage  ....and to think I almost sold my 4 shocktrains just before the Yan-di event - something evil inside me said "Don't do it"  I still have 2 Haechi so they might get a run again with fortifier on them (this buff surprises me tbh although it could be a bait and switch to sell the latest ops pass with the new skin). I have been sitting on 2 x L1 Blaze so if I have enough time/resources I might look at them again. GET. A. BEHEMOTH. God DAMN is a dragoon behemoth INSANE!!! Hey, who is that 600m away? Well, since the enemy team has 3 beacons and I just used deathmark, I will send my burst of 371,000 damage their way. No kidding the burst (within 5sec and only needing the enemy team to have 3 beacons) is almost 375,000!!! What you need: adrian, gunsmith, master gunsmith, adamant gunsmith, 3 maxed Thermonuclear Reactor, a deathmark, and 4 maxed dragoons. Also a message to pix that you aren't hacking and you are not deleting people from the game. Lol, dead serious though, three hundread and seventyone ?fluffernutter?ING THOUSAND damage, in a burst of 5 shots. Ao Jun avengers can do well over 100k a second on a robot that isn't a stationary target.... And I'd appreciate if you don't use God's name that way. |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 19, 2019 15:55:50 GMT -5
If they were serious about re-balancing, then the right would be the same size as the left.  |
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Post by rags on Oct 19, 2019 16:24:51 GMT -5
If they were serious about re-balancing, then the right would be the same size as the left. His groin was re-stomped |
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Post by orionpax on Oct 19, 2019 17:38:42 GMT -5
Does the Tyr ability instantly heal itself 20,000 hp? According to the test server videos that I watched yes. Now, it has a 5 seconds cooldown for shapeshifting. . Thank you!! I wanted my Tyr so bad an been forcing myself to run it but it badly needs this buff. Hope they actually implement it. |
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Post by josh378 on Oct 19, 2019 18:03:55 GMT -5
Just came from the test servers this morning. Finally Tyr is fun again!!!
Tyr is a healing tank. 2x Pulsar and 2x marquees is amazing. Sniped Ao Jun and Ares like nothing, and that's just on level 8.
I have 2x pulsars so all I need is 2x marquees and a Tyr on the live servers. I used Adrian as the pilot but if I actually use the pilot for Tyr...broken.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 18:50:38 GMT -5
Just came from the test servers this morning. Finally Tyr is fun again!!! Tyr is a healing tank. 2x Pulsar and 2x marquees is amazing. Sniped Ao Jun and Ares like nothing, and that's just on level 8. I found it to be good flicking the ability on and off although I wouldn't mind betting the cool down gets extended, if not initially then after enough players have spent on it. The down side on the test server was that I only had 1 game out of 9 that I played where I could actually use it effectively when I played with two Ares. The other games everyone just takes off and leaves you which makes it difficult to evaluate effectively. I think Tyr needs a mild speed buff so that you can get around a bit easier to other team mates to heal them. The other downside in test server was everyone was just dropping the green crack like tic tacs to heal so they weren't really interested in me for healing. EDIT: As for Tyr itself, I have played it on test server quite some time ago and I liked it then although most said it was under par. I think if you can play Bulwark well and understand shield management with that bot you can do equally well with Tyr regardless of the buff. |
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Post by josh378 on Oct 19, 2019 18:58:49 GMT -5
Just came from the test servers this morning. Finally Tyr is fun again!!! Tyr is a healing tank. 2x Pulsar and 2x marquees is amazing. Sniped Ao Jun and Ares like nothing, and that's just on level 8. I found it to be good flicking the ability on and off although I wouldn't mind betting the cool down gets extended, if not initially then after enough players have spent on it. The down side on the test server was that I only had 1 game out of 9 that I played where I could actually use it effectively when I played with two Ares. The other games everyone just takes off and leaves you which makes it difficult to evaluate effectively. I think Tyr needs a mild speed buff so that you can get around a bit easier to other team mates to heal them. The other downside in test server was everyone was just dropping the green crack like tic tacs to heal so they weren't really interested in me for healing. EDIT: As for Tyr itself, I have played it on test server quite some time ago and I liked it then although most said it was under par. I think if you can play Bulwark well and understand shield management with that bot you can do equally well with Tyr regardless of the buff. I agree with the speed buff. Had Leech zoom by me like it was nothing. I had to shoot at him to get his attention for healing. But once you are grouped with some heavy hitters together as a group...mmmaaannnn! |
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Post by cmdrperalta on Oct 19, 2019 19:00:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's not the shield regen speed that needs the love, it's the running speed. Good grief Pix, stop screwing with the shocktrains. I think that change nets a loss in damage, but just don't touch it. I hate seeing rebalance lists with shocktrain even on it... friggin idiots will never learn. Dear lord, they're buffing the marquess again? Didn't they get a 15% buff last rebalance. Those things hit hard already, but cost a fortune to upgrade. Ya know, I'd love to see an "Item Pricing Rebalance List". Marquess -$15 mil from lvl 11 to 12, -$11 mil from lvl 10 to 11, etc. The running speed of Fenrir is excellent for a tank of it's firepower. It runs faster than a base Weyland or Mender. Ghost lance is faster, has all 3 weapons active all the time and at a fraction of the cost. Fenrir has better durability over time and crispier graphics. |
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Post by foxypotato on Oct 19, 2019 20:06:00 GMT -5
The running speed of Fenrir is excellent for a tank of it's firepower. It runs faster than a base Weyland or Mender. It needs Ageis 30% stronger than max Bully.....regen speed ok with pilot skills....bigger hit pool works, too....and DR to 65% It should not have a stronger Ageis shield than the bot who's ability is to have an Ageis shield. It is a pretty well balanced bot as it is. Mine is great. Nerf the Ao Jun and Ares. Nerf the Traditionalist pilot skill for the Falcon. Nerf Phantom and Leech. Buff the legacy bots. Make all the bots balanced and viable. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 19, 2019 20:44:27 GMT -5
That's fine. I already have my Tyr and I'll take a buff. Anything to help me deal with maxed Phantoms. Amen It's an insane buff...makes Mender obsolete. |
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Post by Koko Bop on Oct 19, 2019 20:51:27 GMT -5
5s cooldown is a nerf! I would rather keep the 1s cooldown without the 20k healing burst I agree: 20k of healing burst sounds great, but I never seem to drop in the midst of a bunch of hungry blues, so that would mostly be for me...and I don’t think 10 sec of cooldown between mobile modes is a fair trade-off. If they have to do *something* to Tyr to “make us pay!”, 2 sec into assault and 3 sec out. Otherwise it loses all advantage and becomes and ungainly Mender, and then we’ll NEED 20k hp burst healing in order to survive the shift to assault mode Forcing bots to die in order to operate as designed is moronic Designing bots to be complicated, pre-hamstrung, and/or undefeatable is madness |
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Post by Nitro on Oct 19, 2019 22:17:00 GMT -5
It's an insane buff...makes Mender obsolete. Not with the 5 sec cooldown between modes. Mender would heal more through pulses in a shorter amount of time. I feel like this healing pulse in Tyr's mode switch is for emergencies such as when you're under attack and need to withdraw, you'll get a little boost in health and extra speed to slip away |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Oct 20, 2019 1:20:56 GMT -5
GET. A. BEHEMOTH. God DAMN is a dragoon behemoth INSANE!!! Hey, who is that 600m away? Well, since the enemy team has 3 beacons and I just used deathmark, I will send my burst of 371,000 damage their way. No kidding the burst (within 5sec and only needing the enemy team to have 3 beacons) is almost 375,000!!! What you need: adrian, gunsmith, master gunsmith, adamant gunsmith, 3 maxed Thermonuclear Reactor, a deathmark, and 4 maxed dragoons. Also a message to pix that you aren't hacking and you are not deleting people from the game. Lol, dead serious though, three hundread and seventyone ?fluffernutter?ING THOUSAND damage, in a burst of 5 shots. Ao Jun avengers can do well over 100k a second on a robot that isn't a stationary target.... And I'd appreciate if you don't use God's name that way. sorry, not gonna never say that again though. Not a believer so I don't avoid it and I wont start now. Also, sure an ao jun can do that but he needs to be within 350m and have a decently stationary target to do that. Behemoth doesn't require a stationary target. Why you ask? Because you wait until someone moves out of cover, wait till they have a ways between them and the nearest cover, them start shooting. By the time they are back in safety they will have your full damage already done and will be a smoking corpse. |
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Post by pewpewninja on Oct 21, 2019 4:21:45 GMT -5
Does tyr new heal mode scale with level? If it does then maybe he can survive an aojun bombing run. Lets theorise. If its 20 k at lvl 8, then gets 10% increment per level thats 28 k at lvl 12. Add legendary pilot and true ace thats 38 k. Add the healing pulse at 2,8 k/sec plus tru ace and legendary pilot thats 3,8 k/sec. Add mechanic thats 4,8 k/sec. Add advanced repair unit at 20k/sec. So total of 38k plus 25k a sec for 4 sec and additional 4,8 k/sec afterward. Total healing for 5 sec is 38+100+4,8 thats around 145 k. Lets say the ao jun gets a good 5 sec direct hit with the bombing run doing 75k/sec. Thats 375 k dmg. If you have a lvl 12 tyr against a lvl 12 ao jun. Tyr will be left with around 30% hp which will triger the last stand. If not then tyr is still gonna die. And this is not counting the new glacier. Then tyr will definitely die. Even fenrir has to burn 40 pc to survive with the same amount of hp. These ragnarok bots needs more buff in survivability. Increase fenrir aegis shield to 20% amount, change fenrir legendary pilot to add amount not regen. Thats still only 86 k at lvl 12. Even with two fortifiers and energy shield expert thats only 120 k which will be gone in two seconds. With tyr add the pulse heal to at least 10k at lvl12. That will make tyr survive with 50% hp which isnt bad considering he just burn 40 pc to survive a skill that is free. This buff is still not good enough to make tyr useable in champs league. And im only talking lvl 12 mk1 numbers not even mk2 yet. Fenrir will not be op with the above buff nor will tyr. A bulwark with fortifiers has 200-265 k aegis shield lets not even bring the 300 k p.shield because its gone in 2 secs against storms, dragon breath, and ares pewpew thingy. A falcon has 1 mil hp. Half the meta in champs league are ares, ao juns, and leech which they all do around 75-100 k/sec dmg. With stealth, invincible shield, or 90% dmg resist. With phase shift....... Cover? Yea but in high champs league matches are turned into a boring standoff until about 25% of beacon bar left with each side just hiding and only attacking when their ability is on. Anyone even dare to push beacon will get utterly destroyed the sec they step out in the open. And you can not push beacons without gettin opened. Im a 4 year vet of the game at 8k-10k champs league. Ive seen them all lancelots, haechis, spectres, era but now its truly unplayable. The game was fun and strategic when it was walking war robots, now it should be called hiding war robots. Buff the ragnarok bots more or else they will not be used. Why would i use a tyr when my bulgasari last longer?   |
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 ....and to think I almost sold my 4 shocktrains just before the Yan-di event - something evil inside me said "Don't do it" 
