Spectre951
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I killed a lancelot/rhino with my thunder carny... again >_>
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Favorite robot: Galahad/Carny
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Post by Spectre951 on Mar 13, 2017 6:00:27 GMT -5
Im more of an ambush/flanker guy and currently i used my pdb grif, thunder carny and orkan pinata galahad to either ambush or flank. However, my rdb grif seems not that great for that role and i ran outta ideas on other ambushing bot setups. Can sb guide me to the setups and how to use them? ty
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Post by Golden Sabre on Mar 13, 2017 6:29:39 GMT -5
DB or hellfire Rhino is nasty when used to ambush, as well as the Orkid Griff
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Post by sonofsam on Mar 13, 2017 7:55:36 GMT -5
Im more of an ambush/flanker guy and currently i used my pdb grif, thunder carny and orkan pinata galahad to either ambush or flank. However, my rdb grif seems not that great for that role and i ran outta ideas on other ambushing bot setups. Can sb guide me to the setups and how to use them? ty Put the Ork/Pinta on the Griffin you will like the result. If you have the taran and magnums it makes a great Galahad flanker. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 7:57:53 GMT -5
Aphid Orkan Griffin is the best heavy flanker.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Mar 13, 2017 16:30:50 GMT -5
I would definitely swap out weapons and make:
db Griffin - best ambush bot
Plasmahad - best all-around bot
Running the rdb Griffin can be challenging. To be effective and last, you must use the jump to get out of danger & not into range and utilize the distance as a mid-range support. I have a tendency to be to aggressive & close distance usually with a premature death. I think this is due to fact I usually run a db & plasma Griffin.
When I run my Tri/Carny I play the distance much better.
The rest depends on your other bots & weapons.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 13, 2017 16:49:09 GMT -5
Im more of an ambush/flanker guy and currently i used my pdb grif, thunder carny and orkan pinata galahad to either ambush or flank. However, my rdb grif seems not that great for that role and i ran outta ideas on other ambushing bot setups. Can sb guide me to the setups and how to use them? ty Thunder Carny is one of the best. Hands down. And yes... DB Griff. Also, Aphid Ork Griff or Galahad. Plasmahad may not be the best ambusher, but it is a damn good jack-of-all-trades type of setup that will be good at just about anything, and with the Galahad speed, it will positively shine when used as a Flanker. Ork Fujin... Thunder Pinata Leo... Thunder Orkan Boa... DB/Hellfire/OrkAphid Rhinos are also good ambushers. Thunder Ork Lance as well. Splashahad is good too, but Hell, so is almost every Galahad configuration. Hell, even a TOP Golem is good at ambushing. You just better hope you kill them with the initial strike... bc in that bot, if you are exchanging fire, you will die. RDB Griff is a mid-range beast... not a normal Ambush bot. Still, good for flanking though. And lets not forget Pinata Stalker or Jesse. Ambushing and Flanking are the only times that they will be able to be used effectively as far as fighting is concerned... even if not a battle winning bot config... you can do a lot from the fringes of the battle, pop in, shoot, pop out. The Jesse is basically a fast Patton if you can use the switch right... 4 Pinatas in the rear is the definition of ambush! But you had better bail immediately! one good hit from a full salvo of almost anything will make you wonder why you chose that bot  |
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 13, 2017 18:23:09 GMT -5
Plasma Gareth and Thunder Carnage are two of the best flankers in the game. Both can be very annoying to your opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:59:24 GMT -5
Plasma Gareth and Thunder Carnage are two of the best flankers in the game. Both can be very annoying to your opponent. Add Plasma Galahad and Aphid Orkan to the list also. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 13, 2017 20:04:07 GMT -5
Plasma Gareth and Thunder Carnage are two of the best flankers in the game. Both can be very annoying to your opponent. Add Plasma Galahad and Aphid Orkan to the list also. You know I always exclude the Galahad in my suggestions! I like its younger, better brother much more ?. I do have a plasma Galahad in my hangar, and it gets used almost any game that my Gary doesn't last the whole match. I guess Aphid/Orkan is a decent ambush setup. Just have to level up the Aphids quite a bit before they're useful. |
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thundergrunt72
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Mar 13, 2017 20:11:43 GMT -5
If you want to flank opponents (ie hit a heavy bot in the side rather than front for those wondering) I have to concur with what was already stated here, in that the thunder carnage is the absolute undisputed champion at this. There was a really handy dpm chart posted elsewhere on the forum for reference. Note that the thunder is absolute top in damage. If you are going to hit something where it is undefended, you want to do it with a Thunder. Splash will be realistically the same front, back or side. Secondary options for flanking has to go immediately to Tarans. You need a fast bot to flank. Which bots have speed and can mount tarans? Galahad, Gareth, Griffin, Boa, Rogotka, Cossack... If I were to flank in a plasma build, I would do it in a Galahad or a Gareth simply because they offer the speed you need, the durability you have to have to get into position and nominal damage to achieve the desired result. Bearing in mind I have had the fortune to not own a Rogotka, I would be curious to see if it would actually perform as a flanker given its frailness.
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 13, 2017 21:40:18 GMT -5
Im more of an ambush/flanker guy and currently i used my pdb grif, thunder carny and orkan pinata galahad to either ambush or flank. However, my rdb grif seems not that great for that role and i ran outta ideas on other ambushing bot setups. Can sb guide me to the setups and how to use them? ty It really depends on your meta. If you are seeing TTF, then the shield bots will get owned. The DB Griffin is your best bet, or an Orkan Aphid Griffin if you see lots of shield bots. The Gareth is a formidable little bot, with its shield to the side and plasma setup it can step around corners, and attack a DB Griffin while retreating backwards, and live to tell the tale. It can outrun rockets running straight back. It cannot outrun aphids. That's why I would recommend the orkan aphid Griffin.. All around best one size fits all, just remember walk in and save your jump for evading rockets. And jump left or right to avoid aphids. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 14, 2017 11:48:12 GMT -5
Im more of an ambush/flanker guy and currently i used my pdb grif, thunder carny and orkan pinata galahad to either ambush or flank. However, my rdb grif seems not that great for that role and i ran outta ideas on other ambushing bot setups. Can sb guide me to the setups and how to use them? ty It really depends on your meta. If you are seeing TTF, then the shield bots will get owned. The DB Griffin is your best bet, or an Orkan Aphid Griffin if you see lots of shield bots. The Gareth is a formidable little bot, with its shield to the side and plasma setup it can step around corners, and attack a DB Griffin while retreating backwards, and live to tell the tale. It can outrun rockets running straight back. It cannot outrun aphids. That's why I would recommend the orkan aphid Griffin.. All around best one size fits all, just remember walk in and save your jump for evading rockets. And jump left or right to avoid aphids. Mr Gary may not be able to outrun Aphids... but a side step and shield pointed at them can negate them completely. |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 11:51:39 GMT -5
Zeus Carny is mid range flanker. You will be the bane of TT furies.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 14, 2017 11:58:47 GMT -5
If you want to flank opponents (ie hit a heavy bot in the side rather than front for those wondering) I have to concur with what was already stated here, in that the thunder carnage is the absolute undisputed champion at this. There was a really handy dpm chart posted elsewhere on the forum for reference. Note that the thunder is absolute top in damage. If you are going to hit something where it is undefended, you want to do it with a Thunder. Splash will be realistically the same front, back or side. Secondary options for flanking has to go immediately to Tarans. You need a fast bot to flank. Which bots have speed and can mount tarans? Galahad, Gareth, Griffin, Boa, Rogotka, Cossack... If I were to flank in a plasma build, I would do it in a Galahad or a Gareth simply because they offer the speed you need, the durability you have to have to get into position and nominal damage to achieve the desired result. Bearing in mind I have had the fortune to not own a Rogotka, I would be curious to see if it would actually perform as a flanker given its frailness. Rog is ONLY good as an ambusher and as a limited flanker. It has the firepower to either take out most bots, or, at the least, maim them. But it is absolutely a frail bot. Ambush works because your goal is to not get hit! Flanking can still be dangerous, especially with ranged enemies about. It has a few advantages, however. Ground speed, while not the "fastest bot in its class" like the description says, is still high enough to be an elusive target for some things... and the jump is still good for escape or a passing attack while jumping from cover to cover. My advice for any that are thinking about playing them... get good with the Griff's jump... learning to stay in cover until shooting then jumping when in danger or when necessary to change positions to attack a weaker opponent. Rog should be played similarly, yet with a lean towards caution instead of the tendency to just go ahead and attack. Griffs have the firepower to make an attack under fire and come out ahead... Rogs do not. JMO. YMMV. |
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 14, 2017 17:10:19 GMT -5
It really depends on your meta. If you are seeing TTF, then the shield bots will get owned. The DB Griffin is your best bet, or an Orkan Aphid Griffin if you see lots of shield bots. The Gareth is a formidable little bot, with its shield to the side and plasma setup it can step around corners, and attack a DB Griffin while retreating backwards, and live to tell the tale. It can outrun rockets running straight back. It cannot outrun aphids. That's why I would recommend the orkan aphid Griffin.. All around best one size fits all, just remember walk in and save your jump for evading rockets. And jump left or right to avoid aphids. Mr Gary may not be able to outrun Aphids... but a side step and shield pointed at them can negate them completely. Thus the Orkan Aphid Griffin. Backpedal and get aphids, sidestep and get orkan splash. In my experience Rhino shield is the only one that still blocks top mounted aphids. I have been hit from Griffin, and Patton aphids in a Gareth, and Galahad with the shield facing the attack. Gary is fast enough to sidestep aphids even with shield in front. Galy is not able to sidestep aphids with shield in front, but can with shield to the side after lvl 6. This has just been my experience. Both certainly block well enough for aphids on other bots that side mount or low mount them...which are going away as they no longer clear buildings as they should. Also I can turn my Griffin 20 deg. or so, and still hit a Rhino with its shield up. That slight twist makes them fire higher..Gary is a great bot, just not playable with TTF on the red team. A single Trident shot and your dust. Griffin wins for not costing gold, and being viable in Higher league play jumping away from trident fire is Also a plus. |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Mar 14, 2017 17:31:55 GMT -5
Mr Gary may not be able to outrun Aphids... but a side step and shield pointed at them can negate them completely. Thus the Orkan Aphid Griffin. Backpedal and get aphids, sidestep and get orkan splash. In my experience Rhino shield is the only one that still blocks top mounted aphids. I have been hit from Griffin, and Patton aphids in a Gareth, and Galahad with the shield facing the attack. Gary is fast enough to sidestep aphids even with shield in front. Galy is not able to sidestep aphids with shield in front, but can with shield to the side after lvl 6. This has just been my experience. Both certainly block well enough for aphids on other bots that side mount or low mount them...which are going away as they no longer clear buildings as they should. Also I can turn my Griffin 20 deg. or so, and still hit a Rhino with its shield up. That slight twist makes them fire higher..Gary is a great bot, just not playable with TTF on the red team. A single Trident shot and your dust. Griffin wins for not costing gold, and being viable in Higher league play jumping away from trident fire is Also a plus. Spirals, aphids and hydras sometimes will bypass physical shields. It might have something to do with the flight path. I can confirm this on the Lance and the Galahad. It's more pronounced on the Lance probably because it's so big. |
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Post by Titan Song on Mar 14, 2017 17:42:24 GMT -5
Yeah, it has to do with where the weapon slots are in the bot firing them. Top mount missiles arch much sharper at launch and come back down at a sharper angle. Side mounted ones start from a more flat trajectory thus do not like to arch up and back down as sharply. You can turret twist a little off center to get the arch to go a little sharper at launch. .. Hope that helps some struggling with aphids.
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Post by petevb on Mar 15, 2017 0:17:50 GMT -5
In my mind I make a distinction between flanking bots and ambush bots. There's also the heavy brawler that can tank and take a lot of damage and a melee brawler- more maneuverable but can't take a beating.
Ambush bots pop out and hit hard, generally from close range. The DB Griffin, Carnage Thunder, Thunder Ork Lance and Orkan Doc would be my top ambush bots. Get in close enough to jump/ rush and erase, then try to get out alive and repeat. Dead City and Power Plant are prime hunting grounds for ambush bots. Patience is the key to playing them- get an attack wrong and you'll live a short, violent existence.
Flankers use mobility to envelope and fight from the sides, poping up in uncomfortable places to catch the enemy in a crossfire. Running the bridges and firing down onto the ramp on winter or running the edges on Canyons would be examples. For that role I find the Plasma Galahad, Plasma Rhino, Tulumbas Doc and Carnage Zeus ideal examples. This role typically puts you closer to the enemy spawn and in a more threatening position than any other, so expect to draw plenty of attention. Keeping your wits about you and your distance is key, so this role requires reach, mobility and savvy. Play heads up and displace when you see the heat, push forwards given the opportunity.
I like the plasma Griffin but I play it as an inside melee bot, similar to an Aphid ork or plasma Griff. The Ancilot meanwhile is an ideal heavy brawler along with most Lance versions.
RDB Griffin can flank in a pinch, but often it's played more centrally like a Fury behind cover. I'd second getting Orks/ Pinatas on it and turning it into a true ambusher. I'd also run plasma on the Galahad in the flanker role described above, then set about looking for another slot and a mid-range substitute...
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