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Post by yhondeh on Nov 8, 2016 3:31:34 GMT -5
I ran into an Aphid/Gep which ate half of my L6 Lancelot's health today with single salvo. I checked later that it was L11 Aphids, but chipping away half of Lancelot's health is a bit much I think.
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Post by mauer on Nov 8, 2016 4:05:09 GMT -5
I didnt see 30 Geps in top tier clans. Only 1-3 per team max. Much more often it's Pattons because it's a bit more stronger in health points.
I find Aphids on fragile bots (Stalker, Gepard, etc) working only on some maps and not working at all on another. For example big maps for mid/long range weapons - Canyon, Springfield, Yamantau (Ice). On Canyon when you are under the bridge - Aphids didn't work. And there are many other weapons used there - tridents, trebs, tulumbas/pins, even Hydras/Spirals which all are cracking Gepards very quickly.
Even on Powerplant there are now many RDB Griffs, Tridents and Zeuses which work very good. Also as Hydra/spirals griffs or Fuijin with 3 Hydras.
Another example - couple of Galahads are awesome Gepard killers. Thunder Carnage in rush mode can easily knife them out.
Yes, i agree with you that fast agile bots with 50k damage each 10 sec can be a big problem, but i dont see it as crucial at all now.
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Post by mauer on Nov 8, 2016 4:08:45 GMT -5
All bots has their pros & cons and i like that you can combine you own hangar and tailor it to your own skills and style of play. There was Rhino boom, Stalker boom, than it was Fury with Tridents boom, lancelots and galahads boom, than Hydra and now Aphids boom with Pattons and Gepards. There will be more booms  And powerful players will always align with this with pair-work in clan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 4:58:50 GMT -5
Nobody complained about Geps in top tier dude  |
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Post by mauer on Nov 8, 2016 5:36:06 GMT -5
than i misunderstood you sorry i am much more annoyed with hydras hiding. much more than Gepards. |
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Post by novena on Nov 8, 2016 5:57:20 GMT -5
You like to die fast? Not a prob, takes the average time of jumping down a skyscraper... They are nothing to me in mid(ish) silver. Galahads don't care about them. You're just a free kill on my way to a beacon. Well if you understand the game than you will know that gepard combination seldom comes in Higher tier where Galahad n likes are (ie. the heavy tier) , but mostly gepard setup comes in lower silver level where lots of new players are .. and thats why it is said that this is killing the game .. I hope you understand what is implied in the post. Thanks |
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Post by novena on Nov 8, 2016 6:05:22 GMT -5
Always so worried about the newbs. We were newbs and dealt with it. Maybe people should listen on how to fight Geps. I have discussed it so many times its stupid, and so have some others. Either listen, figure it out, shut up and play, or shut up and go away. Better all newbees should go away so experience player like you who past the gepard stage can only play . what nonsense. |
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Post by josette2 on Nov 8, 2016 7:38:29 GMT -5
Lol this might only be true for bronze league but certainly not for higher leagues. Geps die in 3 seconds against any PDBs level 9 and above. You cant capture or hold beacons with just that ?
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Post by novena on Nov 8, 2016 8:13:10 GMT -5
So... just teamed up with 2 clanmates for couple of games. We all run balanced hangars (I teached those guys. Their win% went up from sub50 to 60-70+). Every single game lasted 2 minutes. We got teamed against full clans every time. With the actual aphid buff in place (which was totally unnecessary - not like theres a ton of weapons that could use some love), nothing stands a chance against 3x Maggeps + 2xAphid Geps. Its time for Pix to do something about this. By now the game is "buy 4 Geps", clan with others, wipe out everything. Nothing against one or two Geps, but 6x5 Geps? There is simply no counter. This is blatantly the worst balancing I ever experienced. I'm gonna be low gold soon, so could give a [firetruck]. But a game like this cannot survive if every new player is just a victim with a crosshair on his bum-bum . Just put a frackin Gep with gold/wsp weapons into high silver minimum (where it belongs!). Or adjust their speed. Or simply buff every light weapon skyhigh, laugh like a mad man and make a new game. Seriously Pix, get that [poo-poo] solved somehow, I cant reccomend this game to friends, unless they can play low gold asap... edit: reason for rant: I really fought like hell, 5 smoldering gep wrecks can tell the tale, but there is ab-so-lutely nothing that can be done against 30 Geps. The Aphid Buff multipli3d the problem, cause now those dip[poo-poos] can even wreck meds and heavys without trouble. W.O.R.S.T. balancing ever -.-* P.S: and kudos to EAE, SF and another clan. Can you miserable lowlifes also play? Looking forward to see some of you virtual embarassments in Gold Tier. Feel free to sent Origin IDs, then show me some skill in BF1 or TF2!!! Fully agree with this post ... these op gepards are hitting the newcomers the most |
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Post by Cry Me a River on Nov 8, 2016 8:45:00 GMT -5
So much care in the community. We Were All Noobs Once, Just got to L2P and as they say Only The Strong Survive! And if you keep whining ----------> Candy Crush this way ----------> |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 9:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah Justin, now stfu.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Nov 8, 2016 9:41:43 GMT -5
Yeah some people just like to talk a good game. We know you're a 「deteriorated bum-bum」 in high Silver/low Gold because you're not afraid of Gepards. LOL. A Gepard up that high is a fragile beacon runner with a bit of firepower- being afraid of it is like being afraid of a Cossack in Bronze. So tough.
The Aphid buff does give Gepard guys in Bronze and low Silver another option. Aphid Gep is good for taking out two traditional Gep counters - heavies, and Thunder Schutzes in dense maps (in open maps mag Geps deal with Thunder Scutzes fine). Aphids are less useful against Gepards because Gepards are fast and Gepard pilots are already used to staying in motion.
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Post by pilotp2ltb on Nov 8, 2016 11:25:41 GMT -5
Several people have said that galahads are the logical counter. What is the strategy here? I've just had one salvo rip away half my health while running at full pace with the shield down and partial cover. It seems like the geps have superior range, superior speed, a higher angle of attack, and can kite you to keep away from plasma. Not to mention the aphids do a decent amount of damage at rdb range.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 12:38:36 GMT -5
A hangar full of quad-mag Pattons..... hmmmm  Patton so slow can only kill weakened gep. Geps win bc they are squadding with a plan and have great set ups. Mag pattons are a joke Guess you have never fought me! Hum, I also wonder how the Patton was largely responsible for getting me to level 30. I play high silver/low gold, and I still use a quad-Mag Patton. Guess its the pilot, eh? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 12:43:49 GMT -5
Always so worried about the newbs. We were newbs and dealt with it. Maybe people should listen on how to fight Geps. I have discussed it so many times its stupid, and so have some others. Either listen, figure it out, shut up and play, or shut up and go away. Better all newbees should go away so experience player like you who past the gepard stage can only play . what nonsense. Whats nonsense is that you want me to shed a tear for you and your kind. With10mil loads from GooglePlay, and who knows on iOS, there are many that will play, not just me. If I can handle Geps, so can many players. Dont want to, dont want to try, dont want to learn, then leave. It is of no concern to me, that some people will leave. There will always be someone to replace you, me, all of us. |
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Post by Neg0Pander on Nov 8, 2016 13:11:02 GMT -5
Is it a problem? Yes. But is it ruining the game? No. It simply doesn't happen consistently. I play in high silver and I get matched with a full squad probably 3 - 4 times per week. I can only remember one time (since I've started) wherein I was matched against a squad 3 times successively. I was mad, frustrated, but I just kept playing on. This is close to my experience, but I'd say more like 1-2 times a day, and probably around power hour. I run all 4/9 mediums and 1 light (Gepard. shamefully), and my win % is 85-90% right now. The only matches I lose are Clanned Full Gep Hangars, and usually it isn't even close: they are unwinnable. I can consistently kill 6-8 of them before our beacons are overrun, as the rest of my team just can't stand their ground. Any players that say, "meh, whatever," clearly aren't really seeing what we see in Silver. I've learned to just accept it and move on, but it still makes me salty sometimes to know that I played a brilliant game with 650K-750K damage and be out-done by a LIGHT BOT scoring 900K+. You know it's unbalanced, and if you don't see it, it's because you aren't in the thick of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 14:13:42 GMT -5
Neg0pander exactly got the point. Dethilt maybe stop waving his epeen, too small to be visible anyways. Maybe we can just close this thread? I really just wanted to let off some steam. Out of the hundreds of game I play3d those were really just a grain of salt. Lets not be toxic, this community is cool and helpful and caring (something very rare!). Lets chill and enjoy the game!!! Heck, I hated mobile gaming (xcept very rare pearls) till I found this. Of course everything could be better, but thats the way the world spins |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 8, 2016 14:50:53 GMT -5
PM a mod if you really want it closed, Klatsch
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Post by trollingclubber on Nov 8, 2016 19:26:11 GMT -5
Aphids give the genuine seal clubbers another option. From my perspective aphids revive the game and give proper gep maggers a new option with which to dominate the game. If you wanna join the clubbers feel free. Go buy some geps and mags and learn how to shoot. It's seems I maybe have caused some upset with my debut post. If so I apologise for that whoever you may be. However, that's just what I think. I have over 3000 wins, been playing for a while. I wasn't very good when I started, I was the seal. Now tho I'm not the seal anymore. The aphids do create another great option to dominate the new batch of seals. It's just how it works. Better more experienced players win. However, in order to not offend, I'll go and make a new thread celebrating the clubbing of the seal, then you can choose not to participate if the reality that me and my clan mates are here to win offends you. Because it's true, I thank the seals as without seals I'd have no one to club. Come over to the new thread to discuss the tactics and the ultimate joy of clubbing away. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Nov 8, 2016 20:25:55 GMT -5
Lol, I saw a few aphid geps in top lately but you haven't lived till the whole enemy team is 3 aphid pattons, 2 aphid griffs and an aphid rhino all at or near max. I was in a game not long ago 3 aphid pattons on my team, jumped in my aphid/ork rhino and we decimated anyone stupid enough to respawn on PP, I would say verging on OP with that map due to lack of aphid cover.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 4:05:00 GMT -5
I have a 94% winrate in high silver with one Gep (which I use for capping) and zero Aphids in my hangar. So whats your point? You need that extra 6% cause your selfesteem is so low? Start doing sports dude! Read good books! For me, a good PvP Game has to have exactly two things: perfect balance and skill-dependent gameplay. I can deal with fotm stuff in freemium games for a while (and really, its not that bad here atm... the next thing after Aphids and Geps will come anyways) - I will just not spend money here and play more Titanfall 2 (which has perfect balance in every aspect, needs high skill and will even have free DLCs). So really, no hate. Club if you have too. I have far more fun with a balanced hangar. For me personally, I enjoy a challenge in PvP... auto-wins bore me extremely fast Edit: one last example from my point of view: One of my hobbys is spearfishing. It takes patience and skill and practise. Would be much easier to lob TNT into a swarm... Other Hobbys of mine are Surfing and Pencak Silat - both took me years and years of failing and injuries and by now I feel incredible in a non-describable way when I master a 6m wave with a perfect topspin and coming out of the tube still on my board (not happening all the time), or when I can do a flawless Pisau form with my eyes closed (have a deep scar on one forearm from that  ). On the other hand I could've just sit in a boat and get some pepperspray. Basically doing the same. |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 9, 2016 5:04:19 GMT -5
I play high silver/low gold, and I still use a quad-Mag Patton. Guess its the pilot, eh? What level Patton and mags are you using? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 7:11:59 GMT -5
Uhm... just had a game on Yamantau where a Gepard who was running full speed up the middle ramp got hit by a full Aphid salvo (went boom obviously).
Then a Cossack got hit. While jumping from a ledge, mid air (had to laugh cause the eject went reeeeally high).
We still won (had to unleash the 2xTaran Rog), but I am wondering... is that really intended? Tighter rocket circle on impact, ok. But autohitting the fastest Bot, or a light jumper mid-air? Without a single rocket missing?
Dont want to continue the rant, but that seemed a touch too much for me...
Dunno if the Chubbs I already saved 3200 gold for is still worth it (see video above, shield doesnt seem to do much against Aphs)...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 9, 2016 9:17:35 GMT -5
Uhm... just had a game on Yamantau where a Gepard who was running full speed up the middle ramp got hit by a full Aphid salvo (went boom obviously). Then a Cossack got hit. While jumping from a ledge, mid air (had to laugh cause the eject went reeeeally high). We still won (had to unleash the 2xTaran Rog), but I am wondering... is that really intended? Tighter rocket circle on impact, ok. But autohitting the fastest Bot, or a light jumper mid-air? Without a single rocket missing? Dont want to continue the rant, but that seemed a touch too much for me... Dunno if the Chubbs I already saved 3200 gold for is still worth it (see video above, shield doesnt seem to do much against Aphs)... Usually, hitting that bot mid jump takes timing, to make sure the salvo strikes as close to the apex (slowest) point of the jump. I don't know if that is what happened, but I have practiced it and have missed many jumping cossacks. Plus, it seems, that if they are jumping in a path that takes them perpendicular to yours, you will miss more, but if they are jumping straight up, or directly toward or away from you, the hit chance goes up a good bit. Took a bit of skill to get good at hitting midair bots, just pointing that out. NOTE: I am not talking about on a Gep, as i don't use the 1 I have very much, at all, but shooting aphids from a Gala. |
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Nov 9, 2016 9:51:56 GMT -5
one last example from my point of view: One of my hobbys is spearfishing. It takes patience and skill and practise. Would be much easier to lob TNT into a swarm... Take solace in knowing that If somebody doesn't enjoy challenges in a game, they surely aren't doing very much with their lives. Anyone who doesn't like competition and can't deal with losing probably isn't going to do well in the job market or the dating market. |
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Post by stygianumbra on Nov 9, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5
Uhm... just had a game on Yamantau where a Gepard who was running full speed up the middle ramp got hit by a full Aphid salvo (went boom obviously). Then a Cossack got hit. While jumping from a ledge, mid air (had to laugh cause the eject went reeeeally high). We still won (had to unleash the 2xTaran Rog), but I am wondering... is that really intended? Tighter rocket circle on impact, ok. But autohitting the fastest Bot, or a light jumper mid-air? Without a single rocket missing? Dont want to continue the rant, but that seemed a touch too much for me... Dunno if the Chubbs I already saved 3200 gold for is still worth it (see video above, shield doesnt seem to do much against Aphs)... I get hit jumping in a griff rather often, aphids are far more accurate than they were. It requires a different play style involving more movement from cover to cover, if aphids are on the way walking perpendicular to the shooter minimizes damage and is the best thing you can do other than cover or jumping. A rhino shield will block most if not all aphids if you are facing them and you aren't running towards them. I have dispatched many aphid pattons taking almost no damage this way, if you stop running their aphids hit your shield. I have found though at certain ranges charging in a rhino I can fire aphids almost straight up and they come straight down and damage any bot, it will also clear obstacles better and hit bots close to walls. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 3:44:59 GMT -5
Thank you for you encouraging and especially the good advice against Aphids (note:perpendicular movement) git gud is the motto now. And for...ehm..."further research" I just bought my third Aphid...  @ stygianumbra: do you think the rhinos shield and the lancelots shield have different angles? Will try that out (not charging into the salvo) - only I dont have a rhino yet. Hopefully I can transfer that knowledge towards my lancelot somehow |
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Post by couchtrader on Nov 10, 2016 5:47:56 GMT -5
do you think the rhinos shield and the lancelots shield have different angles? Will try that out (not charging into the salvo) - only I dont have a rhino yet. Hopefully I can transfer that knowledge towards my lancelot somehow In my experience, Rhino shields seem to have a slightly wider angle of protection compared to the Galahad, much less in a Gareth. The only way to cause serious damage to a Rhino is to attack at a 90°, or from behind when shield is up. Rhinos are so tough though that it may take you 3-4 salvos to destroy one with shields down. Galahads are much easier to chip into and its shields eventually wear out much faster than the Rhino. Galahads are also vulnerable to aphids when they are behind the wall. The higher angle of attack of the aphids renders the shield less effective. |
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Post by yhondeh on Nov 10, 2016 7:56:22 GMT -5
Probably only in silver tier, but when I see bunch of Aphid Geps/Pattons, I am like "Oh crap, we are gonna lose..." then in the end we manage to win somehow. Not always, but most of the time. I think it's mainly because Aphid users tend to back off and hide when engaged and by doing that, they drop beacon defense. It's like fighting those cowardly Hydra users only in closer range and a lot more damage.
I have 2 Aphids at L8, but they are not in my usual hanger as I like to cap and defend beacons rather than hiding and running away.
I still think the buff was too much for a weapon like Aphid though.
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Post by miatahead on Nov 10, 2016 11:23:09 GMT -5
Aphids are a little OP in all tiers. And ridiculous in mass quantities. That's the problem. |
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