ionflow
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Post by ionflow on Mar 11, 2017 15:16:21 GMT -5
I need help. My win rate on Yama is probably in the single digits, and it is totally my fault. I consistently mech out and can't seem to do anything but be a total liability. I can't figure this out because I do really well on the other big maps, canyon and Springfield.
I'm in bronze 1 with a 6/5 6/6 hangar.
Thunder pinata Leo
RDB griffin
Plasma Gary
Sniper Natasha
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Post by blognio on Mar 11, 2017 15:24:21 GMT -5
Are you rushing in when there are two reds on the platform while you are alone? Are you sniping the whole time? Try flanking them, but it's pretty hard. Also wait for your other teammates and then try attacking them
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 15:27:26 GMT -5
Replace the Natasha for another Pinata Thunder Leo and camp near the walls of the center beacon with it.
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Post by Trogon on Mar 11, 2017 15:29:32 GMT -5
Yama is one of the harder maps for solo randoms because it really requires teamwork for consistent success. Attacking center requires coordination and not all random teammates will be willing/able to support each other to mount a successful assault and defense.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 11, 2017 15:43:43 GMT -5
You need to go higher with bot levels and weapon levels. The league levels are not tied to you bot/weapon levels now. If you look at the other bots on the winning team, you'll notice they have higher levels - get up to those levels.
A 5th slot would help, but that may be a long way away for you.
After upgrading all levels, I'd consider dropping both mid-range (RDB) and long range (Sniper Tasha). With only 4 bot slots, a single low damage potential bot can hold you back quite a bit and cost your team a win. There will be pilots on your team that have 5 slots or that use multiple long range setups - let them do the ranged support.
If you can, convert the RDB Griffin to a Taran/Mag Griffin. The Tasha can be replaced easily with a Boa with a Thunder/Taran or Thunder/Punisher setup. The Leo is okay fir now and you can create a DB Griffin with its weapons later on.
The next part of playing Yamantau is strategy. With your bots, you should never advance without blue bots ahead or near you - never advance past your support. The means that you march behind blue Griffins, Boas, or Leos and slow down or stop if you look around and see yourself alone (retreat back if you see this unless a goal is right before you and no reds are near). I'd break out the heavies first, as speed isn't what's needed in the early round - it's you getting to the center beacon or walking on the ground to the red territory in force so that you can push aside all solo reds and establish a block that will require a full assault of reds to break. Thus full red response will probably break your block, but it should allow your solo artist blues to push the back red beacon or let them get near the red mid-rangers to kill/occupy them.
Lastly, I'd not use your Gareth first. I'd use it after the ground game with the blue heavies has been established to harass the reds behind enemy lines or to grab their back beacon.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 11, 2017 16:12:27 GMT -5
Make sure when you're defending centre beacon, you're not standing right underneath the towering walls. They're so thin that splash weapons can splash THROUGH THE WALL. I exploit this all the time as a midranger.
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Post by Prowler on Mar 11, 2017 16:57:49 GMT -5
where you find me on Yamatu ? under the walkways laying crossfire on the reds onramp to center beacon.
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ionflow
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Post by ionflow on Mar 11, 2017 19:16:58 GMT -5
You need to go higher with bot levels and weapon levels. The league levels are not tied to you bot/weapon levels now. If you look at the other bots on the winning team, you'll notice they have higher levels - get up to those levels. A 5th slot would help, but that may be a long way away for you. After upgrading all levels, I'd consider dropping both mid-range (RDB) and long range (Sniper Tasha). With only 4 bot slots, a single low damage potential bot can hold you back quite a bit and cost your team a win. There will be pilots on your team that have 5 slots or that use multiple long range setups - let them do the ranged support. If you can, convert the RDB Griffin to a Taran/Mag Griffin. The Tasha can be replaced easily with a Boa with a Thunder/Taran or Thunder/Punisher setup. The Leo is okay fir now and you can create a DB Griffin with its weapons later on. The next part of playing Yamantau is strategy. With your bots, you should never advance without blue bots ahead or near you - never advance past your support. The means that you march behind blue Griffins, Boas, or Leos and slow down or stop if you look around and see yourself alone (retreat back if you see this unless a goal is right before you and no reds are near). I'd break out the heavies first, as speed isn't what's needed in the early round - it's you getting to the center beacon or walking on the ground to the red territory in force so that you can push aside all solo reds and establish a block that will require a full assault of reds to break. Thus full red response will probably break your block, but it should allow your solo artist blues to push the back red beacon or let them get near the red mid-rangers to kill/occupy them. Lastly, I'd not use your Gareth first. I'd use it after the ground game with the blue heavies has been established to harass the reds behind enemy lines or to grab their back beacon. I'm leveling as fast as the game will let me. Trust me, I'm painfully aware that my bots are outgunned in most matches. I've been thinking of swapping out the Tasha, but losing the RDB will hurt me on the cluttered maps. That thing does some work on shield bots and beacon runners. I do plan to upgrade to PDB but that's about 12k wsp in the future. I'll definitely try harder not to lone wolf it. On most maps I try to flank, but on Yama that just seems to get me killed. |
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Mar 11, 2017 19:46:45 GMT -5
where you find me on Yamatu ? under the walkways laying crossfire on the reds onramp to center beacon. Under the covered walkway is a great spot to be shielded from snipers but get an angle to wear down health on reds heading to center or the ever-annoying aphid patton lurking on the back side of the ramp. I usually head here first, try to soften up center attackers so my mates can take or consolidate our hold on center, and then once I'm dead I either go midrange to support center or take a bot right back there to do it again. |
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Mar 12, 2017 12:51:17 GMT -5
Make sure when you're defending centre beacon, you're not standing right underneath the towering walls. They're so thin that splash weapons can splash THROUGH THE WALL. I exploit this all the time as a midranger. You field a tulumbas cossack??? |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Mar 12, 2017 13:27:54 GMT -5
As a dedicated knife fighter... I despise Yama... Especially since most my children are slow clunkers... with the exception of my Gareth, "Tookie Williams" and my Gepard, "Karl Childers". I spend most my time on Yama slowly draggin my butt from spawn point to the center beacon. And there ain't nothing more aggravating than spawning in my Leo, Willie Dynamite, with the clock bout ticked out.... Being a beacon behind and seeing that RED beam rising out the center of Yama.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Mar 12, 2017 13:30:29 GMT -5
You need to go higher with bot levels and weapon levels. The league levels are not tied to you bot/weapon levels now. If you look at the other bots on the winning team, you'll notice they have higher levels - get up to those levels. A 5th slot would help, but that may be a long way away for you. After upgrading all levels, I'd consider dropping both mid-range (RDB) and long range (Sniper Tasha). With only 4 bot slots, a single low damage potential bot can hold you back quite a bit and cost your team a win. There will be pilots on your team that have 5 slots or that use multiple long range setups - let them do the ranged support. If you can, convert the RDB Griffin to a Taran/Mag Griffin. The Tasha can be replaced easily with a Boa with a Thunder/Taran or Thunder/Punisher setup. The Leo is okay fir now and you can create a DB Griffin with its weapons later on. The next part of playing Yamantau is strategy. With your bots, you should never advance without blue bots ahead or near you - never advance past your support. The means that you march behind blue Griffins, Boas, or Leos and slow down or stop if you look around and see yourself alone (retreat back if you see this unless a goal is right before you and no reds are near). I'd break out the heavies first, as speed isn't what's needed in the early round - it's you getting to the center beacon or walking on the ground to the red territory in force so that you can push aside all solo reds and establish a block that will require a full assault of reds to break. Thus full red response will probably break your block, but it should allow your solo artist blues to push the back red beacon or let them get near the red mid-rangers to kill/occupy them. Lastly, I'd not use your Gareth first. I'd use it after the ground game with the blue heavies has been established to harass the reds behind enemy lines or to grab their back beacon. Not dissing on petevb... But Idk man. You dang sure should been in the running, at least, for forum coach of the year bro. Good advice. DLR is takin notes |
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 12, 2017 17:00:58 GMT -5
Make sure when you're defending centre beacon, you're not standing right underneath the towering walls. They're so thin that splash weapons can splash THROUGH THE WALL. I exploit this all the time as a midranger. You field a tulumbas cossack??? You don't??? Wait what month is it?? What's the meta bot now?? What game is this?  |
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Post by nocluevok on Mar 12, 2017 18:05:29 GMT -5
I need help. My win rate on Yama is probably in the single digits, and it is totally my fault. I consistently mech out and can't seem to do anything but be a total liability. I can't figure this out because I do really well on the other big maps, canyon and Springfield. I'm in bronze 1 with a 6/5 6/6 hangar. Thunder pinata Leo RDB griffin Plasma Gary Sniper Natasha I run my Gary down the left side...from either end. If you're fast off the blocks, and the reds are busy trying to cap center,you can be in their backyard and popping Furys from behind. If they notice you, draw them away from the center. If 2-3 are shooting at you, they aren't shooting at 5 of your teammates. |
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Post by inesb on Mar 13, 2017 10:14:38 GMT -5
Yama is one of the harder maps for solo randoms because it really requires teamwork for consistent success. Attacking center requires coordination and not all random teammates will be willing/able to support each other to mount a successful assault and defense. I agree with this. In addition Yama is a map, where a good mix of weapons/bots is required. If all players are snipers or knife fighters, the team won´t be very succesful. Sometimes is necessary to change the own bot right at the start when you see that all of your mates want to do the same part as you wanted to do. |
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Post by Demosthenes on Mar 13, 2017 10:56:00 GMT -5
On Yama I sometimes spawn in my Gareth, cap our home beacon, then head out to the right using cover to get their side beacon. At worst I can occupy one or more enemies for some time whilst possibly getting the beacon, at best they come out to me one at a time (once killed a stalker, Gepard and Griffin one at a time and capped the beacon; another time got whittled away by Tridents without achieving much beyond occupying a Carnage for a while).
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Mar 13, 2017 15:00:18 GMT -5
Center beacon platform looks like a conical coffee grinder for a reason......
Its always a risk, but if you find a moment when the reds are over-committed to one side of the map (or even center), or have lost enough bots, taking the red side beacon can win a match. This is one high risk - high reward action that is occasionally worth over-committing your bot.
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Post by Paps on Mar 13, 2017 19:50:11 GMT -5
Center beacon platform looks like a conical coffee grinder for a reason...... Its always a risk, but if you find a moment when the reds are over-committed to one side of the map (or even center), or have lost enough bots, taking the red side beacon can win a match. This is one high risk - high reward action that is occasionally worth over-committing your bot. Did this day before yesterday in a Galahad. Only red to notice me was a treb Fury. Caught all his shots on my shield and snagged their side beacon for a close-shave win. It works, folks, it really does. |
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ionflow
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Post by ionflow on Mar 13, 2017 21:47:36 GMT -5
The tips here have already helped my win rate on this map considerably. Sticking with a teammate in my brawler has shown the most obvious benefit. I had a match yesterday where I spawned in my Thunder pinata Leo and what drops right in front of me? An ancile mag Leo. He was the brains, and I was the brawn. We took center beacon and dropped 5 or 6 reds before they finally got us. Win.
My strategy now is 1) drop Leo first and buddy up 2) Drop Gary for some harassment of the rear 3) Drop Natasha and snipe. RDB can come in situationally, but it I haven't had very good results with it on this map.
Gary is on a workout regimen now and I expect results soon.
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Post by dms12008 on Mar 14, 2017 17:13:34 GMT -5
For what it's worth- f* 'sniper Natasha'. Dump it. Now. Unless you're hellllllla good at it and w superior weaponry. I'm surprised u don't lose every map.
At mid level game, I'm THRILLED to see 'sniper natasha'- on the other team! Pretty much means there are only 5 reds vs 6 blues.
U need to get a 5th slot, and practice more patience. Try reminding yourself to never just march up the center beacon ramp until u have removed all nearby reds- never waste health trying to get any beacon if it will simply go back to the closest red after u get shot up once exposed
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ionflow
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Post by ionflow on Mar 15, 2017 21:06:57 GMT -5
For what it's worth- f* 'sniper Natasha'. Dump it. Now. Unless you're hellllllla good at it and w superior weaponry. I'm surprised u don't lose every map. At mid level game, I'm THRILLED to see 'sniper natasha'- on the other team! Pretty much means there are only 5 reds vs 6 blues. U need to get a 5th slot, and practice more patience. Try reminding yourself to never just march up the center beacon ramp until u have removed all nearby reds- never waste health trying to get any beacon if it will simply go back to the closest red after u get shot up once exposed I appreciate that you are trying to help, but Natasha is not a liability for me on Yama. Also, losing every map...  |
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