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Post by nochill on Nov 4, 2016 7:33:19 GMT -5
I saw a youtube clip from Adriaaaaan Chong of some Leos with triple Aphids sporting Ancile shields. I thought that the Lancelot would be ideal for this as you would have the best of both worlds: Energy shields for rockets and hard shields for energy weapons.
I guess you could also try a Leo with Ancile + ECU on one hardpoint too.
Anyone tried this? Is it good?
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Post by Ron Gaul on Nov 4, 2016 8:35:55 GMT -5
Seen it in the test server (Lance + Ancile + 2x Ecu) and almost 「dookied」 myself laughing so hard. Dude was on Yamantu, running across the covered bridge to try to take one of our beacons...he never made it across. Which should tell you how (in)effective the setup is. Sacrificing weapons for auxiliary shields is almost never a good idea under the current game dynamic. If the Ancile blocked plasma and/or reloaded faster, then maybe. But only maybe.
Lancelot is a tanky bot that already has a shield. It also has only three hard points...sacrificing the heaviest hard point for a shield of dubious useability is a bad idea. Heck, I wouldn't even put a KWK on a Lance; the bot is designed to do one thing, which is annihilate enemy bots at point-blank range. The only weapons I've seen on it that I'd use are the Zeus, Trident, and Thunder...and I'm not too sure about the first two.
I've only seen ONE effective Ecu bot, other than the Cossack, and that was the Flying Rhino on the Gun Test Server. In which case, a Tulu/Ecu Rhino was one of the only ways to survive against the hail of bullets. And even it didn't last long. An Ecu may at times be slightly useful on a sniper Natasha for protecting against other snipers, but...if you need a shield as a sniper, you're doing it wrong.
All bots WILL die sooner or later. You should be viewing every bot in your hangar as expendable, and plan on expending each one in a fight. More often than not, you won't use more than three or four bots out of a 5-bot hangar. But, every bot is to be sacrificed if it means a victory. You don't gain anything by being the last one alive with 2k HP left at the end of a match - spend your bots strategically, and always try to take at least two enemies with you for every bot you lose. If you drop a beacon runner, expect to die. But make it count - grab 2-3 beacons before going down. Sniper, expect to get charged and/or sniped before too long. I routinely punch out of my Treb Natasha when I've still got 50% health left, if my teammates no longer need long-range covering fire or need knife-fighting support more.
If you try to survive to the end, you'll never win much. IIn this game, cautious aggressiveness can lead to spectacular successes. Trying to survive...you won't survive and you'll drag your team down with you.
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Post by SuperHero on Nov 4, 2016 9:20:24 GMT -5
I've seen a Lance with Taran and Ancile. He managed to knock out 2 rhinos in DC. I took him out eventually. But it is viable even though i dont think it is effective.
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Post by nochill on Nov 4, 2016 9:25:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys for your feedback and opinions. I just found this. I didn't realise AC already made another vid for this. You'd have to change your tactics. I'd say near the end of the fight if your team is losing to use it to go for the beacons perhaps.
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Post by mauer on Nov 4, 2016 9:55:15 GMT -5
WHY would be my question. WARUM? Have s Stalker and believe me - if you will catch even all 5 beacons but your team is losing, probably you will lose. Because it is actually algorithm where you CAN win having only 2 of 3 beacons, but your accumulated team damage should be SO HEAVY that at the end you will probably capture all beacons and kill all opponents. Maybe after Ancile will be refined/imporved - it would make sense to use it instead of Heavy weapon.
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Post by nochill on Nov 4, 2016 12:59:35 GMT -5
your accumulated team damage should be SO HEAVY that at the end you will probably capture all beacons and kill all opponents. Maybe after Ancile will be refined/imporved - it would make sense to use it instead of Heavy weapon. I hear what you are saying. The reason I'm interested in this is because this bot configuration is immune to both energy and rocket attacks (at least the first salvo) and I would use this not for surviving 'till the end of a game but moreso to get through to a heavily guarded beacon. Think of the Dam or Farm Beacon in Springfield. From what I saw of Adrian's playthrough with this setup is that it is incredibly resilient and can take down a few defenders before being defeated. Lastability needs to be high enough to capture a beacon and that may mean ducking undercover a few more times than if you had a thunder, but it all depends on what your enemy bots are fitted with. If they are fitted with Zeus or Trident then you can survive multiple salvos with enough survivability to attack one at a time while being blasted by the other (which would probably flank you). Still no guarantee of success but my proposed strategy with a setup like this would be no different to the other bots in the hangar: Play to its strengths and use appropriately. I play a lot of casual games even though I'm in a clan. I can't really rely on team mates to form an organised offensive play so many times I'm stuck in a situation where I need to "break through" a Natasha or a Rajin or Carnage defending an outer beacon and the center beacon is all but swarmed and none of the teammates do anything. Sometimes I get lucky with a RDB Griffin and take the outer beacon and we end up winning by the slimmest of margins. This has happened more times than I can count. I feel like a Lancelot Ancile could be the ace up my sleeve for late beacon capture. I tried the Stalker with mags, pinatas and aphids. Once you are out in the open and that stealth runs out, the Trebuchet, Zeus or Trident outfits will one-shot kill the bejezus out of me. Of course, with proper team mates and coordinated play this setup may not be appropriate so I understand where you are coming from.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 4, 2016 14:19:42 GMT -5
Rambling off the cuff thoughts on this: Looks to me like it may work in very particular circumstances, maybe even including the one you want to use it for... IJDK how I feel about it; it isn't invincible, as you know, but it definitely can survive a good bit of firepower. It just doesn't give back a lot. Granted, 2 orcs unloaded into just about anything will kill or maim it if you dump the whole magazine into them, but then you have to reload before you are a real threat again... so once you have depleted that first load of rockets, you are stuck with either hiding to reload or hitting them with 2 rockets (assuming you don't lose one or both orcs during the initial exchange of fire which, if facing a "heavily guarded beacon", may be a very real possibility) at a time until you die or you finally kill them. Assaulting a heavily defended beacon, alone, with only 2 Orcs would be tough. Not sure if Tarans would be any better or worse since the shields are a plenty nowadays, though I would be happier having them in order to keep the pressure on the Reds over time. IF it is a lightly defended beacon, you should be able to smash into the area and hold it down against normal pressure... would it be enough to turn and hold the beacon? Depends on the Reds, of course. And what about the recharge time of the Ancile itself? Is it fast enough to do any good? If it will recharge all or most of the way in the same time that it takes to reload the Orcs to a decent battle load, then you may be able to withstand a prolonged engagement as long as you have nearby cover. I have never used an Ancile so I wouldn't even be able to guess at this. Lastly, in regards to your intended purpose... using the Lance to traverse a map to get beacons, even with the Rush ability, seems to be counter intuitive. They are just too slow... IMHO Personally, though, I reserve the right to form a complete opinion until after you try it and tell us how it goes
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Post by mauer on Nov 4, 2016 15:10:00 GMT -5
Orkans need at least 10-15 cooldown to recharge. With 2 orkans you will smash only 102k damage and than you are dead even if 3 not max bots will attack you from different sides. I am not kamikadze. Loosing 81k damage of removed thunder for me sounds a bit strange, but maybe you would like to try it. Instead of buying Ancile for gold i'd prefer to buy something else.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Nov 4, 2016 21:15:00 GMT -5
I think Adrian once did a Ancile/Ecu setup with chubbs, cant seem to find the video though..
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Post by nochill on Mar 2, 2017 9:15:32 GMT -5
looks like this setup is becoming pretty popular. I'm seeing ancile on lancelot everywhere now.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Mar 2, 2017 9:19:55 GMT -5
Holy necro!
That being said I have tried the ancile, I want to love it but in the end I would rather use the hardpoint for a thunder.
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