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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 19:00:45 GMT -5
I am just asking what was really influential, and changed the tide of the game. For example the abundance of physicaly shields and TT Furies, and Mag Gepards for seal clubbing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 19:03:32 GMT -5
Trident Fury, Rhino and Britbots changed the meta of the game a lot.
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 19:23:38 GMT -5
*bump*
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 19:31:23 GMT -5
Who the heck said the Cossacks were influential?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 19:31:46 GMT -5
Salty.
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 19:34:20 GMT -5
I bet so, but could you be sure?
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 6, 2017 20:13:46 GMT -5
What really changed the course of the game was the heavyweight speed boost.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 6, 2017 20:18:48 GMT -5
Currently, the meta-defining bot is the TT Fury. It's dictating the pace of the game to a more stagnant, potshotting type of gameplay, particularly in Shenzhen, Yamantau, and Canyon.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 6, 2017 20:50:18 GMT -5
Currently, the meta-defining bot is the TT Fury. It's dictating the pace of the game to a more stagnant, potshotting type of gameplay, particularly in Shenzhen, Yamantau, and Canyon. And Springfield. I hate this oh so much, but it's true.
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Post by Paps on Mar 6, 2017 21:29:28 GMT -5
I vote magnum Gepard. If they hadn't been used so effectively for farming, folks wouldn't have agitated so hard for a new matchmaker. And we ALL know how that turned out.
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Post by mijapi300 on Mar 6, 2017 21:35:05 GMT -5
If you're talking about influential on the game as a whole, then it's definitely the Mag Gep. That little idiot led to an entirely new matchmaking system. If you're talking about influential on the outcome of a single game, it's the Plasma Gareth.
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 22:05:13 GMT -5
If you're talking about influential on the game as a whole, then it's definitely the Mag Gep. That little idiot led to an entirely new matchmaking system. If you're talking about influential on the outcome of a single game, it's the Plasma Gareth. True dat. I was one of those seal clubbers:c
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Post by RightOn on Mar 6, 2017 23:01:36 GMT -5
Trebuchet Gekko Natasha. This build was my first and has always remained. I enjoy micro-managing my gekkos and trebuchets to maximize damage. It won't decide the game in Dead City, but will always dominate the long range maps.
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Post by petevb on Mar 6, 2017 23:09:52 GMT -5
^ Lol
Is this a snapshot of today or throughout the game's history?
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Post by Feezou on Mar 6, 2017 23:46:10 GMT -5
*bump*
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 7, 2017 8:34:50 GMT -5
I bet so, but could you be sure? we must unlock the power of the true saltyness to find the real reason for the salt. or something.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Mar 7, 2017 8:48:44 GMT -5
Trebuchet Gekko Natasha. This build was my first and has always remained. I enjoy micro-managing my gekkos and trebuchets to maximize damage. It won't decide the game in Dead City, but will always dominate the long range maps. . I agree and I built a setup like this on the test server. Holy cow, this monster spoiled me in a hurry. Especially on Yamantau. Now I've been saving my booty so I can put something like this in my hangar. .
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Post by carnage on Mar 7, 2017 9:31:02 GMT -5
If you're talking about influential on the game as a whole, then it's definitely the Mag Gep. That little idiot led to an entirely new matchmaking system. If you're talking about influential on the outcome of a single game, it's the Plasma Gareth. Yeah, it pains me to agree, but this exactly.
I went through the Mag Gep thing and it was alright, it even gave me some sort of motivation in the sense that I thought it could be the kind of setup I could try to get one day.
Now I play in high-gold low-diamond and Plasma Gareth is the new Mag Gep. Except faster, and much more resistant. Too fast to be destroyed by missiles and too resistant for plasma, it usually takes combined efforts to take one down, same for Galahad.
Big difference is, the Mag Gep were trolling only once in a while. Now, the Plasma Gareth are basically there every single game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 9:35:05 GMT -5
If you're talking about influential on the game as a whole, then it's definitely the Mag Gep. That little idiot led to an entirely new matchmaking system. If you're talking about influential on the outcome of a single game, it's the Plasma Gareth. Yeah, it pains me to agree, but this exactly.
I went through the Mag Gep thing and it was alright, it even gave me some sort of motivation in the sense that I thought it could be the kind of setup I could try to get one day.
Now I play in high-gold low-diamond and Plasma Gareth is the new Mag Gep. Except faster, and much more resistant. Too fast for missiles and too resistant for plasma, it usually take combined efforts to take one down, same for Galahad.
Big difference is, the Mag Gep were trolling only once in a while. Now, the Plasma Gareth are basically there every single game. The difference between Magnum Gepards and Plasma Gareths is that Plasma Gareths go down more easily. 1 salvo from a midrange setup will sent it hopping on 1 leg to a beacon. You wouldn't find any midrange in the lower tiers and the only bot that could kill a Magnum Gepard was another Gepard or Boas.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 7, 2017 14:02:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it pains me to agree, but this exactly.
I went through the Mag Gep thing and it was alright, it even gave me some sort of motivation in the sense that I thought it could be the kind of setup I could try to get one day.
Now I play in high-gold low-diamond and Plasma Gareth is the new Mag Gep. Except faster, and much more resistant. Too fast for missiles and too resistant for plasma, it usually take combined efforts to take one down, same for Galahad.
Big difference is, the Mag Gep were trolling only once in a while. Now, the Plasma Gareth are basically there every single game. The difference between Magnum Gepards and Plasma Gareths is that Plasma Gareths go down more easily. 1 salvo from a midrange setup will sent it hopping on 1 leg to a beacon. You wouldn't find any midrange in the lower tiers and the only bot that could kill a Magnum Gepard was another Gepard or Boas. true, a OB bot is one that cannot be combated by anything aside from itself, in my opinion.
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 7, 2017 19:52:22 GMT -5
It was the MagGeps that forced the hand of Pix and changed match making. To this point no other bot has done this... to think that the easier thing would've been to just balance the stupid thing.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Mar 8, 2017 9:03:40 GMT -5
It was the MagGeps that forced the hand of Pix and changed match making. To this point no other bot has done this... to think that the easier thing would've been to just balance the stupid thing. how? nerfing the mags would make everyone mad, nerfing the gepard would make it not worth the gold. what would you have done?
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Post by Paps on Mar 8, 2017 9:08:58 GMT -5
It was the MagGeps that forced the hand of Pix and changed match making. To this point no other bot has done this... to think that the easier thing would've been to just balance the stupid thing. how? nerfing the mags would make everyone mad, nerfing the gepard would make it not worth the gold. what would you have done? I dunno. Automatic matchmaker penalty? Similar to penalties on other mechs where if in hangar, pilot of said hangar couldn't slum in low tiers.
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Post by cypho on Mar 8, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -5
It was the MagGeps that forced the hand of Pix and changed match making. To this point no other bot has done this... to think that the easier thing would've been to just balance the stupid thing. how? nerfing the mags would make everyone mad, nerfing the gepard would make it not worth the gold. what would you have done? They could have nerfed the mags - they've nerfed other weapons plenty of times. Annoys a few people but it soon settles down. They did nerf the Gep - less HP while increasing it for a number of other bots. Didn't hear to many complaints about that one. Unfortunately, they threw the baby out with the bath water and changed the whole MM at the same time. We all know how well that went.
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Post by wildboar on Mar 8, 2017 9:35:20 GMT -5
They could have just blocked it from being matched with anyone less than lvl 25 ?
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Post by carnage on Mar 8, 2017 9:58:55 GMT -5
The answer was to simply keep the idea of a hangar-based MM, but to rewrite it properly.
As a result the MagGep, being a gold robot with WSP weapons, would simply have been matched with better opponents => No clubbing anymore.
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Post by Deadalready on Mar 8, 2017 10:29:03 GMT -5
how? nerfing the mags would make everyone mad, nerfing the gepard would make it not worth the gold. what would you have done? They could have nerfed the mags - they've nerfed other weapons plenty of times. Annoys a few people but it soon settles down. They did nerf the Gep - less HP while increasing it for a number of other bots. Didn't hear to many complaints about that one. Unfortunately, they threw the baby out with the bath water and changed the whole MM at the same time. We all know how well that went. Pretty much exactly as Cypho has said, they ended up nerfing the Gep anyway.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Mar 8, 2017 10:44:51 GMT -5
Mags were nerfed... before the Brit Bots came out...
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Post by hyderier on Mar 8, 2017 16:27:35 GMT -5
They did nerf the Gep - less HP while increasing it for a number of other bots. Didn't hear to many complaints about that one. Really? I've seen plenty of complaints about how Gepard is now useless and waste of Au. I don't even have a Gareth yet, and I still find the Gep useless (I'll try it next with 3 Aphids in... oh, I guess in 3 months or so, after getting a bunch of other Au stuff first). The main benefit of Gep was, you could run it in lower tiers than Gareth or heavies. Once that benefit disappeared, Gep became practically useless. That was the true (and fair) Gep nerf. It should have been compensated in other ways, not combined with other nerfs like it was now!
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Post by cypho on Mar 9, 2017 4:32:34 GMT -5
They did nerf the Gep - less HP while increasing it for a number of other bots. Didn't hear to many complaints about that one. Really? I've seen plenty of complaints about how Gepard is now useless and waste of Au. I don't even have a Gareth yet, and I still find the Gep useless (I'll try it next with 3 Aphids in... oh, I guess in 3 months or so, after getting a bunch of other Au stuff first). The main benefit of Gep was, you could run it in lower tiers than Gareth or heavies. Once that benefit disappeared, Gep became practically useless. That was the true (and fair) Gep nerf. It should have been compensated in other ways, not combined with other nerfs like it was now! You're right - what you call the main benefit was the root cause of the imbalance issues and that was what needed fixing; as I said in the rest of my post, they ended up double nerfing it with the change in HP and change in MM. I had a Gep myself - there was no choice when climbing through silver tier - and I would maintain that I think the vast majority of users only had them to either seal club, or counter seal clubbing. I would guess the vast majority of counter seal clubbers were happy to see them go, even having spent the Au. Yes, perhaps they have over-nerfed the Gep, but I'm confident the majority weren't too sad to see their demise and most - but not all - of those complaining about it were clubbers who weren't using it in the proper spirit of the game anyway.
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