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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 20, 2019 13:44:09 GMT -5
Well, are we there yet?
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on May 20, 2019 14:01:52 GMT -5
For me it’s a tough call on whether today’s p2w is any worse than the gep/rog days of yore. At least back then you still needed skill. Mags are manual aiming and geps are fast, but no stealth, shields, etc. I’m not so much pissed off at the p2w as the p2osd (pay to overcome skill deficiency).
P2w: WaaaWaa...waaaaaa. My expensive SpecTrain gets killed too easily.
Pix: OK, how about a pair of magic purple panties with an obscene increase in firepower?
P2w: Oh, cool.
P2w: WaaaWaa...waaaaaa. My Ares is so powerful that bots just run away from me and I can’t hit moving targets.
Pix: How about we just stop those pesky red bots from moving altogether. Will that work for you?
P2w: Oh, cool.
Pw2: Yo mom, the meatloaf! We want it now!!
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Post by foxypotato on May 20, 2019 14:11:56 GMT -5
Yes, for a few years now.
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Post by Loganspawn on May 20, 2019 14:16:02 GMT -5
The game has always had P2W attributes. Play or dont play Rock come on we all know the score its nothing new. Peace Out.   |
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Post by jukenukem on May 20, 2019 14:36:56 GMT -5
I said no because its not necessarily P2w that's ruining it but terrible matchmaking that forces unfair matches. If they could match up whales with other whales and somehow come up with an equal and fair matchmaking where a 9/10 hangar shouldn't have to play against Mk2s, and Mk2s don't have to be paired with low level teammates or face them, then P2w wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by noctaire on May 20, 2019 15:15:26 GMT -5
Not really; if anything, the increasing number of P2W options have diluted the P2W side of the game to the point there are more options to catch up or get in the mix. A new player can spend just a couple hundred bucks and get well into mid-league play now.
IMNSHO, the real issues lie with the pools and matchmaker. They’re matching players with too wide a span of levels and I think that has to do with how many are available during the execution of the MM algorithm. The solution there is to merge the platforms into a single playerbase and I think they know that already. The whole death squad thing is out of control as well; they just need to eliminate squadding in beacon modes until they have enough pool size to accommodate it.
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Post by PixelPower6 on May 20, 2019 15:45:50 GMT -5
Mail.ru has. They are part of what caused the large surge in P2W players. |
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Post by RightOn on May 20, 2019 16:29:56 GMT -5
In a twisted sense of view I enjoy killing the p2w champs with my handicapped gear, I laugh when I lose and I laugh when I win.
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Post by orionpax on May 20, 2019 16:34:00 GMT -5
The game has always had P2W attributes. Play or dont play Rock come on we all know the score its nothing new. Peace Out. . He doesn’t know when to give up. Talk about singing to the Choir. I should throw up a poll and see if rock hates pix/ares. |
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2019 0:19:51 GMT -5
Not really; if anything, the increasing number of P2W options have diluted the P2W side of the game to the point there are more options to catch up or get in the mix. A new player can spend just a couple hundred bucks and get well into mid-league play now. Couple hundred during the brit bot days would have got you an unlevelled meta hanger (levleing costs were hugely cheaper). In game inflation can only be described as hyperinflation in War Robots. Without real money you are not catching up. You remain in the pack just like before while the power differential grows between the bigger spenders and the pack as a result of more and more P2W options. While some P2W features are more valuable than others, at the end of the day they are all cumulative as opposed to one replacing the other.
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Post by T34 on May 21, 2019 0:23:36 GMT -5
It has ruined the competitive element of the game a long time ago. |
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on May 21, 2019 6:06:15 GMT -5
In a twisted sense of view I enjoy killing the p2w champs with my handicapped gear, I laugh when I lose and I laugh when I win. THAT is the right attitude. Getting worked up over a game, when there are real problems in the world, is just plain silly. Me - I get jacked up thinking about how the shallowest end of the human genepool is breeding the most. |
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Post by descentx on May 21, 2019 6:08:01 GMT -5
It has, and if you grind your way for free, you be obsolete by the time the whale pay their way in advance. This free to play has alway been an illusion to sell power. There was no way to play fair without throwing huge sum of money.
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Post by noctaire on May 21, 2019 6:22:41 GMT -5
Not really; if anything, the increasing number of P2W options have diluted the P2W side of the game to the point there are more options to catch up or get in the mix. A new player can spend just a couple hundred bucks and get well into mid-league play now. Couple hundred during the brit bot days would have got you an unlevelled meta hanger (levleing costs were hugely cheaper). In game inflation can only be described as hyperinflation in War Robots. Without real money you are not catching up. You remain in the pack just like before while the power differential grows between the bigger spenders and the pack as a result of more and more P2W options. While some P2W features are more valuable than others, at the end of the day they are all cumulative as opposed to one replacing the other.
And that would be the nature of these games. It’s industry wide and why the industry has come under such scrutiny of late. Regulation is forthcoming - it’s simply a matter of time. Wait until the SOFTWARE companies figure out they can sell HARDWARE mods for their games as well. Console companies have done it a while now but never quite maximized its full potential. |
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Post by Koalabear on May 21, 2019 6:23:22 GMT -5
I said no because its not necessarily P2w that's ruining it but terrible matchmaking that forces unfair matches. If they could match up whales with other whales and somehow come up with an equal and fair matchmaking where a 9/10 hangar shouldn't have to play against Mk2s, and Mk2s don't have to be paired with low level teammates or face them, then P2w wouldn't be a problem. As much as I agree with this, it's the unfortunate truth (IMO) that this is exactly what Pix wants to happen. Think about it, the MM has been a problem ever since the league system hit. I'd rather be killed as a noob by a skilled Magnum Gepard (and have) because at least it taught me how to move, how to use cover and what weapons go well with what bots. The Magnum Gepard was peanuts to build compared to what things cost now. So, my logic states that the very reason Pix refuses to fix the MM is because they have been studying us for years now and have a very good understanding of the gaming mind, and the unfairness of mixing Mk2 with the rest drives up sales and forces people to pay in order to not lose. Hey, I just invented a new term! P2NL: Pay to not lose! |
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Post by noctaire on May 21, 2019 6:27:04 GMT -5
It has, and if you grind your way for free, you be obsolete by the time the whale pay their way in advance. This free to play has alway been an illusion to sell power. There was no way to play fair without throwing huge sum of money. You cannot, “grind your way for free” and obsolescence is a non-issue because you must first gain relevance to become obsolete. F2P players are dabblers and fodder for P2W players. TBH, I am hesitant to even call them P2W players because they’re not really paying to win, they’re the target demographic. |
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Post by BB on May 21, 2019 7:05:28 GMT -5
 Dude.....seriously? Didn’t we do this LAST year? Then you left the forum in disgust and now you’re BACK with the same material? The game is rigged, LIFE is rigged. Please stop |
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Post by BB on May 21, 2019 7:36:40 GMT -5
For me it’s a tough call on whether today’s p2w is any worse than the gep/rog days of yore. At least back then you still needed skill. Mags are manual aiming and geps are fast, but no stealth, shields, etc. I’m not so much pissed off at the p2w as the p2osd (pay to overcome skill deficiency). P2w: WaaaWaa...waaaaaa. My expensive SpecTrain gets killed too easily. Pix: OK, how about a pair of magic purple panties with an obscene increase in firepower? P2w: Oh, cool. P2w: WaaaWaa...waaaaaa. My Ares is so powerful that bots just run away from me and I can’t hit moving targets. Pix: How about we just stop those pesky red bots from moving altogether. Will that work for you? P2w: Oh, cool. Pw2: Yo mom, the meatloaf! We want it now!! 6 months ago....... P2W: There’s this guy running all MK2 Rogs in FFA and he’s embarrassing all of us in our shiny new sphincters and Inquisitators. Waaaaaaahhhhh, DO SOMETHING DADDY! Pix: OK, we will remove the 2 module slots from the Rogs AND the ONE module slot from the Cossack so you can now have a fighting chance ya lil bee otch, NOW PAY UP !! |
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Post by [CK]erazor on May 21, 2019 7:39:58 GMT -5
Main problem is the MM.
If I play against E2 to M1, I'm doing well, usually 1st or 2nd place, very often double digit kills, using my MK1 hangar with no advanced modules (the 5000 gold ones) and currently sitting on 32K power cells.
If I play against (Enter list of whale/credit card clans here), I'm usually last.
So the problem isn't P2W, at least not from my perspective. The problem with War Robots is the match maker. You know, I even dominate against Ares using Orkan Haechi, IF Ares doesn't have the 「fluffernutter」ing Last Stan or isn't using lock-down bull「dookie」. A lot of Ares pilots are so overconfident, that they don't anticipate a mortal Haechi will just dash into their bubble and shred them to scraps. But of course, if I'm up against MK2+Boosters+Advanced Modules+Root, I don't stand a chance and these 2 or 3 minute matches are a waste of time.
My conclusion: bad match making in combination with stupid game mechanics and high power differences kill the game/gameplay, but not P2W. But as we all know, it's part of the game design since, like ever, and it won't change. So here we have it: War Robots = Schroedinger's Game. It's both dead and alive at the same time.
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Post by mechtout on May 21, 2019 8:07:20 GMT -5
Definitely ruined what this game could of been
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Post by RightOn on May 21, 2019 8:14:57 GMT -5
A new player can spend just a couple hundred bucks and get well into mid-league play now Oooh yeah that's a great idea... >.> |
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Post by Poopface on May 21, 2019 8:26:53 GMT -5
Ruined? Nah. It's stunted potential, though.
Shockingly, I'm actually having a bit more fun lately than I had been for a while. Despite having to start over (my main is trapped on my old ipad -- Pixo won't move it), I'm up to Master 2 now and still am F2P. Yes, I run into the occasional no-win situation vs a death squad, but it's not constant. As always, I wish Pixo would do something tangible about tanking. That's far and away my main gripe since I can and have found ways to work around within the current P2W approach.
Just wish I had my old Hydra Haechi. That thing was so much fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 10:06:47 GMT -5
 I wish blues wouldn't start BR with Fury and other similar support builds...that's my main complaint in this game. The paying alphas can mow me down, I don't care...keeps me humble  I have for a long time come to expect, if not rely on, Pix to be money grubbing pixel pimping from Moscow. I'd be sad if they straightened up and started to fly right...they inspire a lot of good memes |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 21, 2019 13:33:37 GMT -5
The yays have it...The game is officially ruined. Settled.
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Post by Koalabear on May 21, 2019 14:19:09 GMT -5
It may be ruined, but players will still play it, and payers will still pay for it, and venters will vent about it.
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Post by orionpax on May 21, 2019 14:31:17 GMT -5
The yays have it...The game is officially ruined. Settled. . Does this mean your quitting? I can make a poll? ?? |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on May 21, 2019 14:58:27 GMT -5
The yays have it...The game is officially ruined. Settled. . Does this mean your quitting? I can make a poll? ?? Quitting? What kind of "look at me I manscape" kind of question is that? Don't you know anything about WR1 and hanger based play? My god man, get with the program. The real game is hanger based. The atrocity we shall now officially call "ruined game" , is nothing but a car full of 「bum-bum」 clowns arguing over who gets to drive. I am doing something much better than quitting. |
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on May 21, 2019 16:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by descentx on May 22, 2019 0:21:48 GMT -5
It has, and if you grind your way for free, you be obsolete by the time the whale pay their way in advance. This free to play has alway been an illusion to sell power. There was no way to play fair without throwing huge sum of money. You cannot, âgrind your way for freeâ and obsolescence is a non-issue because you must first gain relevance to become obsolete. F2P players are dabblers and fodder for P2W players. TBH, I am hesitant to even call them P2W players because theyâre not really paying to win, theyâre the target demographic. No 「dookie」 Sherlock free players are just krills they're just there to to keep whales entertained and without these krills whales will not continue pay to play. This was only 1/10 story what I wrote. |
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Post by orionpax on May 22, 2019 1:01:39 GMT -5
. Does this mean your quitting? I can make a poll? ð??ð?? Quitting? What kind of "look at me I manscape" kind of question is that? Don't you know anything about WR1 and hanger based play? My god man, get with the program. The real game is hanger based. The atrocity we shall now officially call "ruined game" , is nothing but a car full of ?bum-bum? clowns arguing over who gets to drive. I am doing something much better than quitting. . I am honestly happy you found something that works for you man. Good luck and happy hunting. |
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