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Post by kalladeron on Mar 3, 2017 13:34:09 GMT -5
Hello Everybody, I've been playing for some time but now I started to discover how the tier and new league system works. I am actually at silver 2, but I am facing serious problems to advance and I would like some help and tips about what should be my next steps in term of new bots and weapon setup. Well, I like to play more in direct combat, although I already tried to play as beacon capper but I didnt find a bot that I like. This is my actual hangar: 1- Natasha: 2 Zeus + 2 Magnun 2- Patton: 4x Molot 3- Golem: Thunder + Magnum + Taran 4- Griffin: 2x Tulumbas + 2 Pin 5- Lancelot: Thunder + 2 Tulumbas Almost all my bots are on level 6 and weapons around 7 and 8. Only Molots and Zeus are on 5. In the actual matches that I fight Patton and Golem are almost useless against that full heavy bots teams that I face from level 30 players, so they are on the top of my list to be changed. Natasha is the third on my list to be changed because it is so slow to face plasma rhinos and orkans lancelots. This is my list of possible future bots: 1- Galahad: I never played with him, but as they are a beacon capper that can go to combat, they are on my list. I have almost enought gold to acquire it, but I am in doubt if I buy it to replace golem or patton or I use the gold to buy two orkan for my lancelot. 2- Rhino: I almost have enough WSP to buy it and this will probably my next bot. I am considering to use it to replace my patton, but I would like to create a plasma rhino and this will make me wait for more WSP to buy a Taran or a Magnum. 3- Fury: This is another option that I am considering but as a future replecement for natasha. A fury would allow me to utilize a 3x Thunder (2 from natasha + 1 from golem), 3x Zeus (I already own two so I can still upgrading my zeus with natasha until I can take a third) or a 3x Trident (I have one and would need to wait to have enough WSP); 4- Fujin/Raijin: I am in doubt about these bots, but in the silver league they seem pretty solid. I would like any tip or suggestion about the next steps that I should. I know that much of the next steps will require a long time to be finished like acquire enough gold to buy a fury, but I like to know to where I am going  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 13:36:21 GMT -5
Get 4 Orkans.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Mar 3, 2017 13:55:16 GMT -5
Galahad is a great all-around bot, best used with Plasma or Orkan + Pinatas, though some use Aphids instead of Pinatas. Be aware, however, that Galahad may not live up to your expectations until you get it to L7. I don't own a Fury, but from what I've seen they're best-suited for mid to long-range play (Tridents, Zeus, or Trebuchets).
I'd consider changing the Tulumbas on your Lance. Tutus have a range of 500m, and while technically a Thunder does too, the effective range of the Thunder is <300m, ideally <200m. Orkans or Tarans are a more common pairing with the Thunder.
Keep reading these forms, you'll find tons of very helpful info here on hangar setups and bot build-outs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 14:00:42 GMT -5
What @darkangel12s said. You will notice a big difference in your effectiveness once you deploy some Orkans.
My thoughts on your lineup are:
Natasha is fine as a long range guy to use your Zeus, but if you want more beef, look into puttig the mags and a thunder on a Leo
Patton - really works best with Pinatas (Ag) or Aphids (Au)
Gun fighter Golem is fine, but he works better with Pinata/Orkan/Thunder as an ambush bot, or give him Tulu/Pin/Trident a midrange guy - he cant take a ton of damage, so he shines at 500m
Griffin RDB is a solid build
Lance - he really needs to wear Tarans or preferably orkans. Your Tulus are not helping him maximize his awesomeness
I think your hangar would benefit from a Boa somewhere too. That is a great bot at your level. Thunder Orkan or Thunder Taran.
I would use your gold on Orkans, rather than Galahad or Fury. I would use your WSP on making sure you have enough Tarans/Magnums. Weapons before bots. Rhino is cool, but maybe not the best next bot to get for you since Griffin does just as well (arguably better than Rhino at most things).
Cheers!
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 3, 2017 14:16:17 GMT -5
Galahad is a great, versatile bot. Rhino can be strong, but also hard to play.
Overall I'd say your hangar is slow, too range-heavy and lacking in punch. Steps to fix that:
1) Buy 2 Orkans, 2 piñatas and a Griffin. Combine, use to replace Patton.
2) As soon as WSPs allow, buy a Carnage to replace the Natasha. Effectively you lose no firepower, gain mobility, and those mags have a better use.
3) As gold allows, buy a Galahad to replace the Golem. Use the Taran and mags from Golem and Natasha.
4) Buy 2 more Tarans or 2 more Orkans as soon as you're able, to rearm the Lance. If the Tarans come first, buy the Orkans anyway. Long term, 4 is a very good target number of Orkans to own.
After you have 4 Orkans, you have tons of options for spending gold. Buy aphids. Buy a second Galahad, or a Gareth. Save for a Fury.
After you have 4 mags and at least 2 (as many as 4) Tarans, WSP spending becomes highly discretionary. Buying a pair of Tridents for your stored Natasha will help give you an idea if Fury is for you. You might want to experiment with Rhino, or Stalker or Fujin.
Just try to remember you need both plasma and rockets, speed and toughness, range and firepower with less of an emphasis on range.
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Post by kalladeron on Mar 3, 2017 14:16:35 GMT -5
I am considering to take two for my lancelot, but this will make me wait more for a substitute (if I get Galahad) for my golem. Galahad is a great all-around bot, best used with Plasma or Orkan + Pinatas, though some use Aphids instead of Pinatas. Be aware, however, that Galahad may not live up to your expectations until you get it to L7. I don't own a Fury, but from what I've seen they're best-suited for mid to long-range play (Tridents, Zeus, or Trebuchets). I'd consider changing the Tulumbas on your Lance. Tutus have a range of 500m, and while technically a Thunder does too, the effective range of the Thunder is <300m, ideally <200m. Orkans or Tarans are a more common pairing with the Thunder. Keep reading these forms, you'll find tons of very helpful info here on hangar setups and bot build-outs. I saw once a Fury 3x Thunder and it wipe out my Lancelot in a few seconds, although the most common combination are Fury with Tridents, Zeus or Trebutchets. I have three Aphids that I gained in the last event, I tried to run a Patton 3x Aphid, but it is neither fast to attack and hide neither have enough HP to receive more than a couple of attacks. A Galahad with Aphids seems to be a good combination. I am considering to acquire two Orkans to use with my Lancelot. I really like tarans, but I facing constantly Rhinos, Galahad, Raijin and Lancelots and according what I was reading missile weapons are more effective against bots with protection due the splash damage. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Mar 3, 2017 14:21:44 GMT -5
Hello Everybody, I've been playing for some time but now I started to discover how the tier and new league system works. I am actually at silver 2, but I am facing serious problems to advance and I would like some help and tips about what should be my next steps in term of new bots and weapon setup. Well, I like to play more in direct combat, although I already tried to play as beacon capper but I didnt find a bot that I like. This is my actual hangar: 1- Natasha: 2 Zeus + 2 Magnun 2- Patton: 4x Molot 3- Golem: Thunder + Magnum + Taran 4- Griffin: 2x Tulumbas + 2 Pin 5- Lancelot: Thunder + 2 Tulumbas Almost all my bots are on level 6 and weapons around 7 and 8. Only Molots and Zeus are on 5. In the actual matches that I fight Patton and Golem are almost useless against that full heavy bots teams that I face from level 30 players, so they are on the top of my list to be changed. Natasha is the third on my list to be changed because it is so slow to face plasma rhinos and orkans lancelots. This is my list of possible future bots: 1- Galahad: I never played with him, but as they are a beacon capper that can go to combat, they are on my list. I have almost enought gold to acquire it, but I am in doubt if I buy it to replace golem or patton or I use the gold to buy two orkan for my lancelot. 2- Rhino: I almost have enough WSP to buy it and this will probably my next bot. I am considering to use it to replace my patton, but I would like to create a plasma rhino and this will make me wait for more WSP to buy a Taran or a Magnum. 3- Fury: This is another option that I am considering but as a future replecement for natasha. A fury would allow me to utilize a 3x Thunder (2 from natasha + 1 from golem), 3x Zeus (I already own two so I can still upgrading my zeus with natasha until I can take a third) or a 3x Trident (I have one and would need to wait to have enough WSP); 4- Fujin/Raijin: I am in doubt about these bots, but in the silver league they seem pretty solid. I would like any tip or suggestion about the next steps that I should. I know that much of the next steps will require a long time to be finished like acquire enough gold to buy a fury, but I like to know to where I am going IMO, there's way too much slow reload mid-range here --- I'd dump all your Tulumbas and use Tarans or Orkans (get Orks if you don't have at least 2 already). Take mags off (and repurpose them for a knifer setup) the Tasha and put Molots on - at least you'll be able to fight match your Zeus cannons in range (use the Molots to drive Trident Furies to cover or help burn down Ancile shields for your buddies). I'd spend zero Au on anything until the Spring update hits. I'd also spend WSP on weapons only until then too. Go the cheap and easy route until Spring with this hangar: 1- Natasha: 2 Zeus + 2 Molots (from your Patton) 2- Boa: Thunder + Taran (from your Golem) 3- Boa: Thunder + Taran (a new build) 3- Griffin: 2x Tulumbas + 2 Pin 4- Lancelot: Thunder + 2 Tarans Im not sure if you have 4 Tarans on hand, but this setup should be the easiest to get by with for the next few weeks. 2 mid-rangers should be good for now. The Boas easy to use and great place holders for their weapons until you are ready for a more permanent chassis to hold them. Keep the Tasha for now. The Tasha with Molots should change how you use this setup. If red shield bots are getting too close, you are probably moving up too much to make the Magnums useful --- using Molots should allow you to keep back some and still be able to hit a Trident Fury on the other side on most maps. Eventually, only the Lancelot and the Griffin will remain, but you can cross that bridge after the Spring; after which you can decide what new bots to get then. |
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Post by kalladeron on Mar 3, 2017 15:15:05 GMT -5
Galahad is a great, versatile bot. Rhino can be strong, but also hard to play. Overall I'd say your hangar is slow, too range-heavy and lacking in punch. Steps to fix that: 1) Buy 2 Orkans, 2 piñatas and a Griffin. Combine, use to replace Patton. 2) As soon as WSPs allow, buy a Carnage to replace the Natasha. Effectively you lose no firepower, gain mobility, and those mags have a better use. 3) As gold allows, buy a Galahad to replace the Golem. Use the Taran and mags from Golem and Natasha. 4) Buy 2 more Tarans or 2 more Orkans as soon as you're able, to rearm the Lance. If the Tarans come first, buy the Orkans anyway. Long term, 4 is a very good target number of Orkans to own. After you have 4 Orkans, you have tons of options for spending gold. Buy aphids. Buy a second Galahad, or a Gareth. Save for a Fury. After you have 4 mags and at least 2 (as many as 4) Tarans, WSP spending becomes highly discretionary. Buying a pair of Tridents for your stored Natasha will help give you an idea if Fury is for you. You might want to experiment with Rhino, or Stalker or Fujin. Just try to remember you need both plasma and rockets, speed and toughness, range and firepower with less of an emphasis on range. I like the idea of change Natasha by Carnage. Normally I play in solo and I feel that some extra speed can help my team to capture more beacons. I know that this isnt the main role from Carnage, but it is more fast than my actual Natasha. If I change Natasha by Carnage I can open space to change my Golem for a Leo with magnums and thunder (from natasha and golem) and I open a space for a Taran to be used by my Lancelot with a second Taran that I can buy in a week or two. Leo isnt too fast as my Golem, but I think that it can make the role of a knife fighter until I change it by Galahad. I like to play with Griffin and a second Griffin probably is a solid choice. I can use the gold to acquire a pair of Orkans for one more close ambusher Griffin. |
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