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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 2, 2017 20:39:13 GMT -5
So once you've made it as high as you are going to get for a given season, you've earned all the gold you are going to get, so just play and have fun and ignore your ranking until the start of the next season. Lets forget about points and gold for a moment,,leave that a side...what relly got me frustrated is that old good gameplay is gone...nobody anymore going for strategy and tactic,,helping eachother to get the beacon..........now is just who gona get first to other bot so it can make damage,,,guys just getting Grifins and flaying and striking and then take another one and again and again................i love rankings cause i am competitive pearson but would trade all points and ranking for old gameplay...it was so neet;) Your memory of non-clan gameplay under the old MM varies significantly from my memory. I saw none of these idealized tactics in solo play.
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Post by tsunisterbr on Mar 2, 2017 21:05:33 GMT -5
OK, so on the old MM, Au was based on....... damage(and winning). So with the the new MM, Au is based mostly on Damage (and some on winning). So the huge big change that Pixo has done to TOTALLY RUIN THE GAME AND FORCE EVERYONE TO QUIT...is errr...ummm...what exactly again? The old MM was based in hangar level. And that used to lead to a much greater sense of fairness in the games, hence translating in a FUN gameplay. That's what really hooked my into it. I can't help but feel bad for what it is now. Thankfully I'm not alone, as there are plenty of complains about it in the War Robots facebook profile (besides this forum).
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 2, 2017 21:13:08 GMT -5
Don't be deliberately obtuse. This is thinly veiled ad hominem. You know exactly what he's saying. Grow up. You clearly have no clue regarding what I am saying or why. If I have to explain it you just wouldn't get it. Whiskey tango foxtrot! You know EXACTLY whiskey tango foxtrot. I think you'd better explain it to yourself first before you try explaining it to anyone else, because quite frankly I'm not sure YOU know whiskey..... oh nevermind, you'd never get it anyways.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 2, 2017 21:16:08 GMT -5
OK, so on the old MM, Au was based on....... damage(and winning). So with the the new MM, Au is based mostly on Damage (and some on winning). So the huge big change that Pixo has done to TOTALLY RUIN THE GAME AND FORCE EVERYONE TO QUIT...is errr...ummm...what exactly again? The old MM was based in hangar level. And that used to lead to a much greater sense of fairness in the games, hence translating in a FUN gameplay. That's what really hooked my into it. I can't help but feel bad for what it is now. Thankfully I'm not alone, as there are plenty of complains about it in the War Robots facebook profile (besides this forum). IF you knew the Tier cut-offs. Otherwise it was as bewildering as the new MM. One new heavy bot in your hangar? Get ready to face hangars of NOTHING BUT HEAVIES!!! Also, the higher in level you went, the more likely you were to get dragged into higher tiers due to the shortage of players at those levels. People complaining on the interwebz about change is hardly unique or a qualifier for an opinion.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Mar 2, 2017 21:17:56 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not sure how it all works, and I hope someone at pix decides to clue us in. May not be possible, they don't want to give exploiters a free map. But I've had games where I was the only diamond. Opposing team, even my team were all gold or lower, lots of silvers. I slaughter them and it doesn't seem right. Why would they get paired with me? Mysteries.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 22:08:35 GMT -5
I haven't seen many "this is why I'm leaving" posts since my MMO days. Back then I would have been like... Why waste our time by posting this, just go already. (and, wait for it... Here it comes... Can I have your stuff?) But nettrick struck a chord with me. He's right. I've been frustrated with the game for a while now. Im running all light bots in Private League still battling heavy bots. I get around 100,000 damage a game. Would I prefer to battle bots only in my "league"? Yes of course. It's too early to jump ship. Hang in there its going to get better... I hope. HAHA, love it. I'd forgotten the EQ days of rage quitters. As to being in the wrong league, eventually you'll be moved down, through losses, to one that's appropriate. Moved up to Gold 1, and most of the time it's fun. But some matches ... unreal what reds have.
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Post by ogpondskum on Mar 2, 2017 22:20:30 GMT -5
I don't mind the league at all and I think it's better than the MM that PIX had in the interim. My damage went down and I was losing points when the team lost. Sure it sucked but I just switched out my bots for bots that can deal more damage and cap beacons and now I have more damage. When I'm on the losing team I'm in the top three so I don't lose a lot of points, if I even lose points. To me, it's as simple as that. I started in Gold 1, now I'm half way through Diamond III. While I loved playing with Plasmahads, I found I could do more damage with my DB Rhino and my Hellfire Rhino.
I have squaded a little bit more but you need to choose squads wisely. If you lose when in a squad, you'll lose points even if you take 1st place.
I like solo play and I don't see solo going away for me.
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Post by nettrick on Mar 2, 2017 22:27:40 GMT -5
if we would loose this one i would get -20 points...all over and over again....
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Post by vaibhavtalwar on Mar 2, 2017 22:39:02 GMT -5
Pixonix should probably introduce a new game mode...Last team standing...no beacons...only damage..team with all players defeated lose..will satisfy all the damage hungry heavy-bot bearing souls.
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 2, 2017 22:58:36 GMT -5
So once you've made it as high as you are going to get for a given season, you've earned all the gold you are going to get, so just play and have fun and ignore your ranking until the start of the next season. Lets forget about points and gold for a moment,,leave that a side...what relly got me frustrated is that old good gameplay is gone...nobody anymore going for strategy and tactic,,helping eachother to get the beacon..........now is just who gona get first to other bot so it can make damage,,,guys just getting Grifins and flaying and striking and then take another one and again and again................i love rankings cause i am competitive pearson but would trade all points and ranking for old gameplay...it was so neet;) Level up into Expert league or higher and you won't see this behavior as much (I realize you'll have to focus on damage and beacons to level up). The other option is join a clan so your squad mates improve. i can't imagine the old MM is coming back - the most I'm hoping for is the custom match option so I can run more of my equipment. the opinion of getting Pixo to put more weight on beacon control has been around since the start of the game....despite the constant requests, Pixo has never addressed it so I don't see it on their radar screen as they had their chance with the new MM and league system to fundamentally change the reward system and they didn't. So adjust however you can - if you are hyper competitive, adjust your game play to get beacons and do damage....it is necessary as you move up the tiers anyhow as specialists like beacon cappers don't have much of a place in squad play. If you want to specialize in beacon caps at the expense of damage, then you will stay in the box you've created for yourself. I really don't know what else to tell you as it is impossible to change how others play the game unless a) you choose your squad mates (clan or FB friends) or b) you change your game play to be more of a generalist because randoms suck.
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 2, 2017 23:34:27 GMT -5
What does it say on front of the Carnage paint job?
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Post by Strayed on Mar 2, 2017 23:35:25 GMT -5
What does it say on front of the Carnage paint job? Snake
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 23:36:46 GMT -5
What does it say on front of the Carnage paint job? Aim here.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 3, 2017 2:44:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure that's true, unless you place higher than before. I placed in S3 first time and S3 second time, but only got gold the first time. It seems to be a ladder where going up via the "challenge" at the top of a league, or placing higher monthly, gets you a one-time gold boost. How could you have been placed in S3 a second time if we are still in the first league season? A season lasts 30 or 31 days. Yes, you can only get the reward for advancing into a certain league once per season. Because technically we're not in the first league season, we're in the second. I did the first one when leagues were rolled out, then quickly "hidden". That league lasted about a week (10 days?). Then we were all re-tested for the current league.
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Post by osang on Mar 3, 2017 5:43:17 GMT -5
I agree with OP. This new matchmaking makes my light premium gold bots useless. I cap beacons but become an audience after a few minutes. Therefore i run heavies instead.
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Post by nettrick on Mar 3, 2017 9:26:00 GMT -5
this is video when is LOSE match...........i just won 9 matches in row....get about 40 points and with one lose it is -15.....
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Mar 3, 2017 20:29:20 GMT -5
The ModerJanitor has cleaned the edgy comments and put out the flames.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Mar 3, 2017 20:33:19 GMT -5
The ModerJanitor has cleaned the edgy comments and put out the flames. I still think it should be JanOtter.
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Post by notyetnotsosoon on Mar 4, 2017 6:09:32 GMT -5
lawl
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 4, 2017 22:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 6, 2017 17:59:06 GMT -5
Sorry, new league system is stupid. If it's the MM I don't know but the point system is as dumb as it gets. Played all morning to get something like 39 trophy's to move up.. did that.. watched it evaporate in two losses... now back to needing another win streak to offset a couple baths. Dumb.
+7 or +3 for a win I get, -15 and -20 for identical play and identical damage yet you lose? This is worse that getting clubbed... nice fix developers, nothing like taking a bad thing and making it massively worse.
If this was a shot at tankers or clubbers, you missed... bad.
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Post by lilryry on Mar 9, 2017 5:25:49 GMT -5
Sorry, new league system is stupid. If it's the MM I don't know but the point system is as dumb as it gets. Played all morning to get something like 39 trophy's to move up.. did that.. watched it evaporate in two losses... now back to needing another win streak to offset a couple baths. Dumb. +7 or +3 for a win I get, -15 and -20 for identical play and identical damage yet you lose? This is worse that getting clubbed... nice fix developers, nothing like taking a bad thing and making it massively worse. If this was a shot at tankers or clubbers, you missed... bad. love how ppl thought the league system would fix, uh, anything...game is so broken atm, I went from playing 2 hours per night to barely 2 matches per day because I'm sick of fighting max hangers with my 6/8, so dumb
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Post by SlamCatalina on Mar 14, 2017 7:22:01 GMT -5
So..it is like this ,,,to exsplain my self a bit. I am team player..love tactic and strategy play...love to catch beacons ,,hold them defend them get opponents away from them cause i love them blue;) Cause of this new system league counting points i get no points and im a valuble player in team....my score is often that damage dont go over 300k(it cant go cause i holding beacons)i get ,4 or 5 kills and 4 beacons in average...................and when we win i get 3 points and when we loose i get -15 ponst....so you see where i going with this...no point to play strategic game. Now is just mess in gameplay,,,guys dont care about beacons ,,just passing next to them( i saw it many times)and go for damage to be in top 3 rank when match is over,,no matter if they win or loose for them is important to be in first 3 to secure points. From amazing tactical game you made a mess...you bring savages ............ I invest money in this game and i would invest more but ,,,Nah.........gona find game worth investing.. Just to let you know that those who going for damage just want gold...free gold...and i think you cant live from that....but it is nice to be good...and you pixonic are very good ...but you forgat about yourself;) see you,,was amazing game...gona leave with broken heart but still...bya..bya Great post. I was searching through this forum in an effort to verify if anyone else was experiencing the same frustration as I have. Your description sums it up perfectly. How many games was I the only person charging a beacon (and dying) while 4 other players are sitting back in Zeus Carnages or Triple Trident Furies? The "League System" is all about just staying alive and getting damage to finish in the top 3. There is no strategic element to the game and I almost never see any light bots anymore. I'm with you, this new system is flawed. I feel like I'm being forced/bullied into buying a Fury for Trebs otherwise I'm not part of the club..... Anyway, I hope you come back to the game and, like me, expect a slight tweak to the League system. Perhaps 75-100k damage for grabbing a beacon? Or 150k for liberating a hostile beacon? slam
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Post by frunobulax on Mar 14, 2017 10:26:09 GMT -5
I switched to a hangar with 2 light robots, which I use as leadoff. I have lost 200 league points and was relegated to a lower league, and the games are much more enjoyable than they were in the higher league, and I get 5 gold for beacon capping on occasions. So, it is still true: It's best to ignore league placement, and run at least a few light robots (potentially enduring the league drop that it includes).
Do I like that? No, but I ranted enough about it in other threads. (Actually, I ranted _and_ tried to offer solutions to the problems.)
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 14, 2017 21:57:58 GMT -5
The old MM was based in hangar level. And that used to lead to a much greater sense of fairness in the games, hence translating in a FUN gameplay. That's what really hooked my into it. I can't help but feel bad for what it is now. Thankfully I'm not alone, as there are plenty of complains about it in the War Robots facebook profile (besides this forum). IF you knew the Tier cut-offs. Otherwise it was as bewildering as the new MM. One new heavy bot in your hangar? Get ready to face hangars of NOTHING BUT HEAVIES!!! Also, the higher in level you went, the more likely you were to get dragged into higher tiers due to the shortage of players at those levels. People complaining on the interwebz about change is hardly unique or a qualifier for an opinion. Yes now you can start a new game and face heavies by third or fourth game. How do I know I've done it.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Mar 14, 2017 22:01:47 GMT -5
IF you knew the Tier cut-offs. Otherwise it was as bewildering as the new MM. One new heavy bot in your hangar? Get ready to face hangars of NOTHING BUT HEAVIES!!! Also, the higher in level you went, the more likely you were to get dragged into higher tiers due to the shortage of players at those levels. People complaining on the interwebz about change is hardly unique or a qualifier for an opinion. Yes now you can start a new game and face heavies by third or fourth game. How do I know I've done it. It only took you two weeks to come up with that zippy come-back....** insert slow clap here **
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Post by spawnreaper on Mar 14, 2017 22:21:19 GMT -5
Yes now you can start a new game and face heavies by third or fourth game. How do I know I've done it. It only took you two weeks to come up with that zippy come-back....** insert slow clap here ** Actually just read it. Why so defensive? Wasn't meant as a attack on you. As for your clap try a oinment.
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Post by WE034 on Mar 14, 2017 22:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by BLYTHE on Mar 14, 2017 22:51:30 GMT -5
i can't imagine the old MM is coming back - the most I'm hoping for is the custom match option so I can run more of my equipment. Yes, Pix won't be reverting to the old MM because the new one is more lucrative. The old system allows people to be complacent and stay where they are and not spend any money. The new system carries you up kicking and screaming and is more conducive to purchases. Or you quit--no skin off Pix's nose since they're more interested in new, paying users. IMO you're more likely to spend RM in the beginning--to buy gold, a slot, etc. Once you get up you learn to farm Au and Ag and are less likely to spend anything. You can argue that old users are good for WOM but really, as of late, most haven't been very complimentary, have they? So, no, I don't think seasoned players are top priority.
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Post by whatttupG on Mar 16, 2017 19:18:45 GMT -5
Is it still OK to be critical of the point system? I lost around 120 points yesterday in an absolutely incredible run of failure. A couple bad games, a couple gems, and a mountain of futility in between, like watching a 4-1 beacon lead evaporate with 3 minutes left. Once 40 away from moving up, I'm less than 3 games away from moving down.
How this is a good system is beyond me, it's not working out that way, as I have said the idea of team or beacons no longer pays and from what I've seen it's clear everyone knows this and most changed their play style accordingly. If I don't ditch my style and adopt a me first damage only approach, it seems evident I'll be moving down as I "progress" with this game.
Assuming a 50/50 win/loss rate long term, even if you go plaid and finish first everytime, you would lose ground systematically at a 13/20 rate.. so.. Umm.. losing is the new winning?!?!
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