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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 27, 2017 19:06:25 GMT -5
In real life a lot. But this is a game and not exactly the same is it? Plus it's sort of a free game that I play with free time, there isn't a cost. If I don't have time for it, it doesn't get played. I love the game, but it's a game, I'll ignore it before I ignore my kids. An opportunity cost would be a kind of divide by zero thing wouldn't it? I mean sure, it's a day and a half and 4 million silver in game, maybe I just have enough patience that those things don't really bother me, certainly not to a point I'd buy my way around it. Upgrades mostly complete while I sleep. You play just to play. The journey is the reward. Same for me. That's why I'm F2P -except for the occasional few bucks I used to throw to Pix as a 'thank you', we'll see if that continues. But if you *know* you want to play TT, if you're entering with the idea of a maxed hangar as your goal, then trading $400 up front against the time spent grinding required to achieve the same result, then that 400 bucks is one hell of a deal. That $400 is saving all that time you could spend throwing footballs with the kids, etc, as you mention. Not everyone wants the same thing. I want to be able to have fun playing with whatever I do have, with being maxed a nice-to-have that might happen, someday. No hurry. Other people want different things. Not everyone is in the same place in life, in terms of free time, other commitments (not everyone has kids, etc), available money..... So not everyone is going to agree on trading the money to save the time grinding being desirable or not. But to be able to sensibly answer the question, you have to have some idea what you actually want, and aware you have only limited resources to get it. Money is one of those resources, so is time. Money and time can be traded one for the other in many different ways. So, seriously, get used to asking yourself what your time is worth. |
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 27, 2017 19:09:39 GMT -5
In real life a lot. But this is a game and not exactly the same is it? Plus it's sort of a free game that I play with free time, there isn't a cost. If I don't have time for it, it doesn't get played. I love the game, but it's a game, I'll ignore it before I ignore my kids. An opportunity cost would be a kind of divide by zero thing wouldn't it? I mean sure, it's a day and a half and 4 million silver in game, maybe I just have enough patience that those things don't really bother me, certainly not to a point I'd buy my way around it. Upgrades mostly complete while I sleep. You're again missing the point. I did the math for you. Since the gold takes the longest to acquire, my calculations are based on how long it would take to get the gold for that hangar without spending anything. It takes about 43,000 gold for everything in that hangar (not including any quick upgrades or anything, just hangar slots and bots and weapons). The following assumptions were made: Average gold won per win - 5 Average win rate over entirety of playing time - 60% Average match duration - 5 minutes Under these generous assumptions, it would take 14,400 games to get the gold necessary for that hangar. That works out to about 1,200 hours of game time. If you factor in loading times, more like 1300-1400 total hours. Let's say you play 2 hours a day, every single day of your life. Which is a lot. It would still take 600 days, about 1.65 years to get that hangar without spending. Now if you apply an opportunity cost to that time: most people just use what they get paid at work, or what they could be paid if they were to do work on the side. You can factor in what you think the time you spend with your kids is worth, but most would agree it's priceless. Let's say you have to ability to make a modest $20/hour with your time. That means the opportunity cost is $24,000 to acquire that hangar for "free". Nobody is arguing with the fact that some people, including you, want to just enjoy the game for free. That doesn't mean you get to ignore simple principles that are factual and apply to everyone's time. YOU can say that YOU will never pay for anything in this game. What you cannot say, not accurately at least, is that there is no opportunity cost for the time you spend playing the game. Just because you enjoy playing it, and think it's worth playing, doesn't make the opportunity cost $0. That just means the value you have (subconsciously) put on the enjoyment you get from playing outweighs the opportunity cost for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 19:48:20 GMT -5
I wonder how Pixonic and Google will say about this. It's a private account. I wouldn't contact Pix about it, as selling accounts is usually not allowed. If so, I suspect there is a way to clone an account multiple times. Because of this, I would never buy an account. Ok now I'm worried if I were to buy if I should even contact Pixonic to switch. The person I would be buying from is a friend of a friend irl, so trust isn't an issue. She also said War Robots was created by a new email account just for the game. I guess I could just take it over and be hush? |
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Post by fijiwater on Feb 28, 2017 1:05:08 GMT -5
just play the test server dude lol
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 28, 2017 1:31:34 GMT -5
..She also said War Robots was created by a new email account just for the game. I guess I could just take it over and be hush? Yeah that's it. Take over the gmail account that was created solely for War Robots. Get on a desktop and change gmail password, backup email address, and the recovery phone number. |
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Feb 28, 2017 3:23:42 GMT -5
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Post by max on Feb 28, 2017 3:46:40 GMT -5
Cheers mate. Somehow I cannot open the page. Is it a restricted group page? |
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Post by ShutUpAndSmokeMyWeed on Feb 28, 2017 3:51:27 GMT -5
Cheers mate. Somehow I cannot open the page. Is it a restricted group page? It's a closed group meaning you have to join. But you can just message the guy selling the account directly: www.facebook.com/boszjohn05 |
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 28, 2017 4:31:46 GMT -5
For $500 you could buy an adequate desktop computer and play real multiplayer games. So it sounds completely insane to me. I own an adequate desktop computer and don't feel even slightly inclined to play "real" multiplayer games, whatever you think that is (War Robots is both real and multiplayer). As in I prefer War Robots on my pad over anything I have seen lately for PC. And I spent more on War Robots than it would cost to get a game for a playstation or something, as I enjoy that game very much and consider it fair to give Pixo some money, in order to improve the game further. I do have an offer of 14k gold for 109EUR on Android. Usually we europeans have to pay a premium, the EUR prices being slightly higher than the dollar prices even though the exchange rate is the other way around. |
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 28, 2017 4:40:31 GMT -5
You're again missing the point. I did the math for you. Since the gold takes the longest to acquire, my calculations are based on how long it would take to get the gold for that hangar without spending anything. It takes about 43,000 gold for everything in that hangar (not including any quick upgrades or anything, just hangar slots and bots and weapons). [...] Under these generous assumptions, it would take 14,400 games to get the gold necessary for that hangar. You know, if someone sells me used car for $10.000, he might argue that it was a $150.000 car once and I'm getting the deal of a lifetime. But you know, I might be just as happy with a car that is much cheaper, even though it might not do 200mph (which I would never drive anyway). So: (1) you absolutely don't need 43.000 gold to have great games, and (2) if you suggest we should work instead of playing War Robots then you're either trolling or have a problem comprehending whats going on here, as we don't do the grinding for the money but as a recreational thing. Is $400 a good deal? No idea. Maybe, maybe not. But if the OP asks that question, he should check if there are other accounts for sale, and compare. Legally, I think many companies try to prohibit sale of accounts, and many legal experts think they can't do that. I just pointed out that the OP will miss an important part of the fun if he buys into a TT account. |
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Post by cypho on Feb 28, 2017 5:41:55 GMT -5
It's not a question of right or wrong. If the OP wants to spend the money, can afford it and it makes him happy then go for it. He asked for advice as to whether he should and some have pointed out that by doing so he will be missing out on a big part of the game - particularly since the implementation of the new MM which prevents switching hangars. As an analogy, if seems like instead of paying, say, £50 for the latest Halo game, you pay £150 for a Special Edition that lets you skip straight to the final level (and doesn't let you play the earlier ones). Why would you do that?
I would also say that for the same money you could get an awful lot of gaming enjoyment elsewhere - as I and others have posted earlier, that could get you a whole heap of console or PC games or all sorts of other things. It might seem good value if using Pixonic's fee scale as the basis of comparison, but compared to the rest of the world, it's pretty poor (IMHO!).
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 28, 2017 10:21:41 GMT -5
You're again missing the point. I did the math for you. Since the gold takes the longest to acquire, my calculations are based on how long it would take to get the gold for that hangar without spending anything. It takes about 43,000 gold for everything in that hangar (not including any quick upgrades or anything, just hangar slots and bots and weapons). [...] Under these generous assumptions, it would take 14,400 games to get the gold necessary for that hangar. You know, if someone sells me used car for $10.000, he might argue that it was a $150.000 car once and I'm getting the deal of a lifetime. But you know, I might be just as happy with a car that is much cheaper, even though it might not do 200mph (which I would never drive anyway). So: (1) you absolutely don't need 43.000 gold to have great games, and (2) if you suggest we should work instead of playing War Robots then you're either trolling or have a problem comprehending whats going on here, as we don't do the grinding for the money but as a recreational thing. Is $400 a good deal? No idea. Maybe, maybe not. But if the OP asks that question, he should check if there are other accounts for sale, and compare. Legally, I think many companies try to prohibit sale of accounts, and many legal experts think they can't do that. I just pointed out that the OP will miss an important part of the fun if he buys into a TT account. Again, missing the point. You're trying to project your personal opinions on him, and you're trying to deny facts and use bad examples to deny said facts. For one, computerized robots don't have wear and tear, and they don't drive any differently because they're "used". The 12/12 bots he is buying are exactly the same as if he were to buy "new" ones. Your idea of "fun" isn't the same as every human being on the planet. He already decided his idea of fun is having a TT hangar. |
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Post by tagnal on Feb 28, 2017 16:11:22 GMT -5
Max, I think it is a pretty good deal. The time savings is great especially if you have other friends that play whom you wish to play with and are already TT. The added fact that this is from a trusted person (Friend of a friend) and not some random person on the internet is a huge bonus. Lowers the risk factor immensely.
I agree with others, DO NOT CONTACT Pixonic/Google/Apple or anyone about this. Selling accounts is often frowned upon. It is unlikely they would ever help you. Also, Pixonic wouldn't like it because you are giving money to someone else instead of spending it in game to level your account. So they are losing profit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:56:22 GMT -5
Tagnal Max is the person buying maxed out hanger for $400 from stranger, I'm buying mid level hanger 6-9 for $150 from a friend of friend in real life.
But yeah we up met in school today, she's real cool. Offered to let me borrow/test drive the account before buying. I'm a Private Leaguer so I obviously would love it without trying it out, paid on the spot. She's so nice to me I also offered her to play on the account if she ever wanted to but declined since she really dislikes the game now.
I feel so spoiled with her account looool I'm using my Private League hanger setup like my account and I can work up from there since I have all weapons and most bots, only missing Butch bot.
She also suggested I don't contact Pixonic in case they can complicate things if they don't like this type of trade.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 28, 2017 20:51:24 GMT -5
Not sure the entire base see's this so I'll put it point blank.
Maybe this is worth $400, maybe not.. to me, no way but whatever.
I will play as I can when I can, not instead of things. You can't opportunity cost this, because I exchange nothing to play. This is divide by zero, all analysis fails here because you cannot solve for something that isn't there and e'en the most outlandish math doesn't work with my zero.
Seems like that isn't sticking, sorry if preaching to the choir. Plus, with how the MM now works, and now that we have that plus clan/squad play... it totally blows now to me,
I would be very resistant to drop a dollar on this as it stands, sorry, just how it is.
Can it be fixed, totally.
Is it worth spending cash on, to me not yet.
Can this change, sure.
Will this change, I'm hopeful but very doubtful.
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 28, 2017 21:35:18 GMT -5
Not sure the entire base see's this so I'll put it point blank. Maybe this is worth $400, maybe not.. to me, no way but whatever. I will play as I can when I can, not instead of things. You can't opportunity cost this, because I exchange nothing to play. This is divide by zero, all analysis fails here because you cannot solve for something that isn't there and e'en the most outlandish math doesn't work with my zero. Seems like that isn't sticking, sorry if preaching to the choir. Plus, with how the MM now works, and now that we have that plus clan/squad play... it totally blows now to me, I would be very resistant to drop a dollar on this as it stands, sorry, just how it is. Can it be fixed, totally. Is it worth spending cash on, to me not yet. Can this change, sure. Will this change, I'm hopeful but very doubtful. Based on this, I can safely come to the assumption that you wake up and go to work every day and they don't pay you. |
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Post by tagnal on Mar 1, 2017 20:02:56 GMT -5
Tagnal Max is the person buying maxed out hanger for $400 from stranger, I'm buying mid level hanger 6-9 for $150 from a friend of friend in real life. But yeah we up met in school today, she's real cool. Offered to let me borrow/test drive the account before buying. I'm a Private Leaguer so I obviously would love it without trying it out, paid on the spot. She's so nice to me I also offered her to play on the account if she ever wanted to but declined since she really dislikes the game now. I feel so spoiled with her account looool I'm using my Private League hanger setup like my account and I can work up from there since I have all weapons and most bots, only missing Butch bot. She also suggested I don't contact Pixonic in case they can complicate things if they don't like this type of trade. Oh whoops, I guess I overlooked that. Buying from a stranger is risky. There were many instances just in the kingdom I played in alone in GOW where people who bought other accounts got screwed over when the original owner contacted MZ and said their account was instead hacked/lost. Those accounts are all worth tens of thousands of dollars though. While $400 could still hurt a bit, it's not too much to recover from if lost. But yeah, only the OP can decide if the risk is worth it. |
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