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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Feb 25, 2017 15:47:24 GMT -5
. Interested in what you guys think of the light robot called the Stalker. I have a level 7 Destrier and am wondering if the Stalker is too much the same (other than the disappearing from radar act) or would he be worth the 7500 WP's ? .
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Post by fijiwater on Feb 25, 2017 15:49:06 GMT -5
I see the stalker used efficiently for beacon capping fairly often. With that being said I'm patient and always track it till the target lock on and is back and finish it off as an easy kill. They're too distracting when things really kick off and you're battling multiple bots
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 16:01:04 GMT -5
I'd suggest buying 4 Tarans, 4 Magnums, a Rhino and a Carnage before thinking about the Stalker.
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Post by mijapi300 on Feb 25, 2017 16:04:16 GMT -5
I believe the Gareth can do everything a Stalker is meant to do, just better. It all depends on if you want to always be able to see where you're going (you gotta get used walking sideways often in Gareth).
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 25, 2017 16:19:47 GMT -5
Destrier vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth +5 -Destrier is slightly more durable? (Check) -2 -Stalker is faster +2 Stalker is better by 5.
Gareth vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility +5 -Gareth has a shield, which can be deactivated for speed or activated to block all weapons minus splash -7 -Stalker maintains its speed under stealth +1 -Stalker is faster (Check) +2 -Gareth is more durable (Check) -2 -Gareth has a medium hardpoint -3 Gareth is better by 4.
Cossack vs Stalker -Cossack can jump, granting 4 second invincibility from parallel splash and when used correctly, homing missiles; refreshes cooldown almost instantly -7 -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility but with a long (16 seconds?) cooldown +5 -Stalker is more agile +1 -Cossack has the fastest speed in the game -2 -Stalker is more durable +2 -Cossack has a medium hardpoint, which complements its jump ability -3 Cossack is better by 4
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 26, 2017 2:23:53 GMT -5
I got the stalker for my beacon capping hangar. I regretted it. The Cossack is better. If you have gold get the Gary otherwise just get a Cossack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 2:29:46 GMT -5
Annoying in pairs or groups, but alone you just wait until the stealth is off and goodnight. Cossack, the poor mans stalker, is probably just as good. Plus there are other things worth getting before the stalker.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Feb 26, 2017 2:34:08 GMT -5
Cossack vs Stalker -Cossack can jump, granting 4 second invincibility from parallel splash and when used correctly, homing missiles; refreshes cooldown almost instantly -7 -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility but with a long (16 seconds?) cooldown +5 -Stalker is more agile +1 -Cossack has the fastest speed in the game -2 -Stalker is more durable +2 -Cossack has a medium hardpoint, which complements its jump ability -3 Cossack is better by 4 Ummmm no, just no, no no no no no. There's a reason why you barely see Cossacks. Should be Stalker has stealth +15 Cossack can jump -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 3:29:01 GMT -5
Don't really care for my Stalker, think its overated.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 26, 2017 3:35:59 GMT -5
Cossack vs Stalker -Cossack can jump, granting 4 second invincibility from parallel splash and when used correctly, homing missiles; refreshes cooldown almost instantly -7 -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility but with a long (16 seconds?) cooldown +5 -Stalker is more agile +1 -Cossack has the fastest speed in the game -2 -Stalker is more durable +2 -Cossack has a medium hardpoint, which complements its jump ability -3 Cossack is better by 4 Ummmm no, just no, no no no no no. There's a reason why you barely see Cossacks. Should be Stalker has stealth +15 Cossack can jump -5 i see Cossacks every game and I'm in ex-gold
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Post by osang on Feb 26, 2017 3:47:33 GMT -5
I got the stalker for my beacon capping hangar. I regretted it. The Cossack is better. If you have gold get the Gary otherwise just get a Cossack. I also run cossacks, and it can't survive in open maps especially with current matchmaking where there are trebuchets, zeus around... turning my poor cossack to barbecue.
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Post by Demosthenes on Feb 26, 2017 7:01:47 GMT -5
I'd suggest buying 4 Tarans, 4 Magnums, a Rhino and a Carnage before thinking about the Stalker. What he said ^^^. Pretty much in that order. Later in the game you will have a lot of WP and nothing to spend it on, so eventually you will be able to buy a stalker without concern. My main motivation for buying a stalker was to better understand its strengths and weaknesses so that I would be able to more efffectively counter it in play. I occasionally give it a run out for variety, but it has never been more than an occasional 'bot for me. That is all down to play-style and individual preference. If you like the "hide-and-seek", stalking type of play you could really enjoy the stalker - the clue is in the name ?. The Gareth is a good stalker-counter, however it costs Au. Given the choice of the two, for me Gareth wins by a long way, however the stalker - certainly later in the game - is practically free: As well as giving you something to spend WP on, along with the Destrier and the Schutze the Stalker also costs a little over half the amount of Ag to upgrade compared to the other light 'bots. E.g. Upgrading the Stalker from level 9 to level 10 "only" costs 2 million Ag. EDIT: PS I have had great fun at lower tiers playing a Cossack, however - unfortunately - in higher play they are just too vulnerable.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Feb 26, 2017 7:13:47 GMT -5
Destrier vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth +5 -Destrier is slightly more durable? (Check) -2 -Stalker is faster +2 Stalker is better by 5. Gareth vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility +5 -Gareth has a shield, which can be deactivated for speed or activated to block all weapons minus splash -7 -Stalker maintains its speed under stealth +1 -Stalker is faster (Check) +2 -Gareth is more durable (Check) -2 -Gareth has a medium hardpoint -3 Gareth is better by 4. Cossack vs Stalker -Cossack can jump, granting 4 second invincibility from parallel splash and when used correctly, homing missiles; refreshes cooldown almost instantly -7 -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility but with a long (16 seconds?) cooldown +5 -Stalker is more agile +1 -Cossack has the fastest speed in the game -2 -Stalker is more durable +2 -Cossack has a medium hardpoint, which complements its jump ability -3 Cossack is better by 4 ok mate, furst things first. Stalker is better than destrier by 1,000,000. The stealth of the stalker is what makes the bot USEABLE. Next, the gareth is a higher risk bot, but also higher reward than the stalker. Using a taran/mag on a gareth enables for a temporary 3 magnum firepower (while the taran is loaded), and really you dont want to be gunning someone for too long at a time in such a small bot anyway. The stalker is a harasser, the Gareth (in the hands of a good pilot, is an actual pain in the 「bum-bum」 (till it gets ploughed by midrange that is). Cossack vs stalker isnt even a thing in gold. If you jump in a cossack in gold tier you will get gunned down. Aint no bot in gold that will be afraid of your 1 taran, especially since you are basically limited to cornershooting exclusively in a cossack.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 26, 2017 7:31:42 GMT -5
Destrier vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth +5 -Destrier is slightly more durable? (Check) -2 -Stalker is faster +2 Stalker is better by 5. Gareth vs Stalker -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility +5 -Gareth has a shield, which can be deactivated for speed or activated to block all weapons minus splash -7 -Stalker maintains its speed under stealth +1 -Stalker is faster (Check) +2 -Gareth is more durable (Check) -2 -Gareth has a medium hardpoint -3 Gareth is better by 4. Cossack vs Stalker -Cossack can jump, granting 4 second invincibility from parallel splash and when used correctly, homing missiles; refreshes cooldown almost instantly -7 -Stalker can stealth, granting 8 second almost-invincibility but with a long (16 seconds?) cooldown +5 -Stalker is more agile +1 -Cossack has the fastest speed in the game -2 -Stalker is more durable +2 -Cossack has a medium hardpoint, which complements its jump ability -3 Cossack is better by 4 ok mate, furst things first. Stalker is better than destrier by 1,000,000. The stealth of the stalker is what makes the bot USEABLE. Next, the gareth is a higher risk bot, but also higher reward than the stalker. Using a taran/mag on a gareth enables for a temporary 3 magnum firepower (while the taran is loaded), and really you dont want to be gunning someone for too long at a time in such a small bot anyway. The stalker is a harasser, the Gareth (in the hands of a good pilot, is an actual pain in the ?bum-bum? (till it gets ploughed by midrange that is). Cossack vs stalker isnt even a thing in gold. If you jump in a cossack in gold tier you will get gunned down. Aint no bot in gold that will be afraid of your 1 taran, especially since you are basically limited to cornershooting exclusively in a cossack. ill fite u m9 Cossacks are 72x better than ur stpd stalkers you bleeping so and so
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Feb 26, 2017 7:40:19 GMT -5
ill fite u m9 Cossacks are 72x better than ur stpd stalkers you bleeping so and so you... you... poo poo head!
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 26, 2017 7:43:10 GMT -5
ill fite u m9 Cossacks are 72x better than ur stpd stalkers you bleeping so and so you... you... poo poo head! you lame doofus!
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Feb 26, 2017 7:46:20 GMT -5
you... you... poo poo head! you lame doofus! ya cossack lovin', stalker hatin', biased, closed minded, ignorant little sonofanapachehelicopter!
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Post by drjackal on Feb 26, 2017 8:04:48 GMT -5
Isn't the Aledeen much better than Stalker, Cossack, Gary together and multiplied by 42?
It is cheaper too!
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Post by tectonic on Feb 26, 2017 8:17:54 GMT -5
I have had great success with my stalker.
Taking the long route around a map and coming up behind campers stationed near their spawn point and blasting them from behind is so much fun! Many of them just stand there probably thinking that one of their team mates has died, respawned and that they are just taking friendly fire.
The stalkers stealth ability doesn't just make it so the enemy cannot get a target box around you, it also removes your indicator arrow off their hud unless they are practically facing you. This is an often overlooked feature of the stalkers stealth ability which gives it both long and short range applications.
If you're trying to brawl out in the open with a stalker (or any other light bot) you're simply using it wrong. Harassing, distracting, hiding, annoying and luring enemies away from their other objectives is how to get the most out of the little blue streak.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Feb 26, 2017 9:57:37 GMT -5
I have had great success with my stalker. The stalkers stealth ability doesn't just make it so the enemy cannot get a target box around you, it also removes your indicator arrow off their hud unless they are practically facing you. This is an often overlooked feature of the stalkers stealth ability which gives it both long and short range applications. . Ahh, now there's something I didn't realize...... no wonder those little boogers can get behind me. .
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 26, 2017 10:13:03 GMT -5
I run a Stalker lvl 8 - great buy for 7500 wsp. Great at bringing on the red mist. Fragile, you need to learn how to pilot the bot....i'm still learning but getting better. I tend to use it now as a late beacon capper or distraction - case in point this last game hit the red's beacon next to their spawn and entertained three reds to kill the match
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 26, 2017 10:16:50 GMT -5
. Interested in what you guys think of the light robot called the Stalker. I have a level 7 Destrier and am wondering if the Stalker is too much the same (other than the disappearing from radar act) or would he be worth the 7500 WP's ? . What is your end game goal? Do you have all the WP weapons you need already? Yes, it is much better than a Destrier (Faster, more HP and stealth) but it may not be your best WP option right now. Could you post a pic of your hangar and share what WP and Gold weapons you have?
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 26, 2017 10:19:56 GMT -5
ya cossack lovin', stalker hatin', biased, closed minded, ignorant little sonofanapachehelicopter! technically, sonofahindhelicopter. Just saying.
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Post by mechtout on Feb 26, 2017 10:44:27 GMT -5
If a stalker is occupying half the reds in the corner of the map while the rest of the blues grab beacons, that pilot knows what hes doing.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 26, 2017 11:03:30 GMT -5
I'd suggest buying 4 Tarans, 4 Magnums, a Rhino and a Carnage before thinking about the Stalker. This is true. You're better off prioritizing some things. I have 8 Tarans, 18 Magnums, 3 Tridents, 2 Rhinos, a Carnage and a Fujin. Even then I didn't buy a Stalker, I won one in an event and never used it until recently. I find that I like it. It's not a brawler but it can definitely affect the game if used properly. I have Magnums on mine and often start the game with it. I take beacons of course, but I also help my teammates take beacons by being distracting. Also I can play counter-Stalker and harass enemy Stalkers.... Unless they're also armed with Mags they basically can't hit me but I can hit them, even when they're stealthed. Harassing/distracting enemy range is a fine aim as well and something your entire team can appreciate. Lastly, altering your hangar balance a little more on the capping side of the capping/damage tradeoff, makes you more MM-friendly. (Of course you will have to decide for yourself whether keeping your matches easier to increase your in-match gold earnings is worth losing the potential benefits of rising to a higher league.)
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 26, 2017 11:14:23 GMT -5
First things first: Can you post a picture of your hangar? You said, you field a Destrier. And what else? What weapons? What is your preferred playstyle? Info! Info! Info!
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Feb 26, 2017 11:41:39 GMT -5
I used to run a magnum stalker in trash/low gold and loved it. The key is you have to know what you're out there to do. Playing hide and seek in a 1v1 matchup is a waste of the bot. If you're using the stealth to pop out, hit someone a bit and then hide again you might as well use a Gary and do better damage. I found the most success changing targets frequently - pop someone a few times, stealth to cross open space and distance yourself from your first target while you look to get in behind or to the side of your next target. Flitting from target to target works because most slower bots will give up chasing you if you're on the move until you get close to their spawn or home beacon, and then when 2-3 bots finally gang up to try to take you out don't retreat back toward your spawn - retreat to cover toward their spawn. Holds 2-3 bots away from center for a bit while they coordinate to finish you off, leaving the rest of your team to cap center or push the battle line forward. Not as effective going solo, as teammates have to recognize what you're doing and push to take advantage, but when squadded or with folks who understand what you're doing it can be pretty darn effective. Of course on an open map or once you start seeing lots of tridents and especially zeus it loses effectiveness, but piloted well I think stalker is very underrated.
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Post by Duodec on Feb 26, 2017 12:06:01 GMT -5
With the current matchmaker the way it is, the Stalker is one of the best bots there is right now. It's got great speed and maneuverability, which keep it alive pretty well even against TT guys. That speed lets you get from cover to cover faster, get around to capture beacons or get firing position better, or just circle strafe reds to death. I circle strafed a 10/10 Thunder/Aphid Leo to death with a 6/9 Aphid Stalker a few games ago. The stealth makes you almost invulnerable while you stand on a red beacon and turn it. It helps protect you when you've attracted attention you don't want, and can be great for harassing reds. There are a ton of reds that are so annoyed that they'll ignore other blues to try and kill you, letting blues come in and blindside them. Or you pull three of them off the center beacon on Yamantau to chase you down as you go for a side beacon, letting your team retake it. I will disclaim that at the time of purchasing my first one I'd invested on 11 Magnums, 8 Tarans, 3 Tridents, 4 fujins, 1 Carnage, and three Rhinos, so they're definitely not high on my list of purchases. They're just really fun. This is my current hanger for the last week or so.
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Post by johnny5 on Feb 26, 2017 12:12:09 GMT -5
I used to run a magnum stalker in trash/low gold and loved it. The key is you have to know what you're out there to do. Playing hide and seek in a 1v1 matchup is a waste of the bot. If you're using the stealth to pop out, hit someone a bit and then hide again you might as well use a Gary and do better damage. I found the most success changing targets frequently - pop someone a few times, stealth to cross open space and distance yourself from your first target while you look to get in behind or to the side of your next target. Flitting from target to target works because most slower bots will give up chasing you if you're on the move until you get close to their spawn or home beacon, and then when 2-3 bots finally gang up to try to take you out don't retreat back toward your spawn - retreat to cover toward their spawn. Holds 2-3 bots away from center for a bit while they coordinate to finish you off, leaving the rest of your team to cap center or push the battle line forward. Not as effective going solo, as teammates have to recognize what you're doing and push to take advantage, but when squadded or with folks who understand what you're doing it can be pretty darn effective. Of course on an open map or once you start seeing lots of tridents and especially zeus it loses effectiveness, but piloted well I think stalker is very underrated. This, right here. If you are skilled enough to "hit-and-run", you will find yourself with several bots hunting you down. It's like that pesky fly at a BBQ. It's only a matter of time before you decide enough is enough, and start hunting that fly down. Just watch out on open maps. Tridents are a 1-2 hit KO before you can get to any cover.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 26, 2017 22:06:05 GMT -5
I got the stalker for my beacon capping hangar. I regretted it. The Cossack is better. If you have gold get the Gary otherwise just get a Cossack. I also run cossacks, and it can't survive in open maps especially with current matchmaking where there are trebuchets, zeus around... turning my poor cossack to barbecue. The problem there is the open maps. The few seconds of stealth won't save you either. Try mounting an ECU and not jumping around like a maniac in the open.
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