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Post by ΜØØSE on Feb 24, 2017 23:54:09 GMT -5
Since the league system is on hiatus, giving me little in the way of goals to shoot for, and there has been talk lately of some moderate success in hydra loadouts, I got the bug and spend some WSP on a couple and started leveling them up. I've been trying them out on a few bots, but just landed on an unexpected favorite: the rhino.
Before you call me an idiot and try to post me on 'strange bots seen in the wild', hear me out. You can always call me an idiot later.
1. When I piss someone off with persistent pecking and they come charging at me, I can engage rush mode, sprint the other way, and piss them off with additional pecker-missiles from another location.
2. Have someone across the map with another medium or long range weapon trying to trade shots with you? Blow your load, then raise the shield. After their shot bounces off, drop shield and repeat. You'll outlast them more often than not.
3. Getting to good locations and ranges faster=more damage.
4. Nicer health pool than a griffon.
5. Griffon's maneuverability is wasted at 5-600m, but the rhino's slow clunkiness is not a problem.
So, what is your favorite hydra build, and why?
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Post by Strayed on Feb 24, 2017 23:57:16 GMT -5
 JK What do you do in the case a trident fury targets you or a gareth/stalker charges at you? |
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 25, 2017 0:01:09 GMT -5
Since the league system is on hiatus, giving me little in the way of goals to shoot for, and there has been talk lately of some moderate success in hydra loadouts, I got the bug and spend some WSP on a couple and started leveling them up. I've been trying them out on a few bots, but just landed on an unexpected favorite: the rhino. Before you call me an idiot and try to post me on 'strange bots seen in the wild', hear me out. You can always call me an idiot later. 1. When I piss someone off with persistent pecking and they come charging at me, I can engage rush mode, sprint the other way, and piss them off with additional pecker-missiles from another location. 2. Have someone across the map with another medium or long range weapon trying to trade shots with you? Blow your load, then raise the shield. After their shot bounces off, drop shield and repeat. You'll outlast them every time. 3. Getting to good locations and ranges faster=more damage. 4. Nicer health pool than a griffon. 5. Griffon's maneuverability is wasted at 5-600m, but the rhino's slow clunkiness is not a problem. So, what is your favorite hydra build, and why? Think it might make a good countermeasure bot for the dash coming out |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 25, 2017 0:08:14 GMT -5
Quad Hydra Doc is the best Hydra setup right now. No other platform is as mobile or delivers as much mid-range homing missile damage.
At around 48K damage per double salvo, the Hydra Doc is a genuine mid-range threat and it will kill even a shield bot in a 1-vs-1 death match.
This bot is more dangerous than a TT Fury and this will be clear once the Doc goes into wide service.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Feb 25, 2017 0:08:58 GMT -5
JK What do you do in the case a trident fury targets you or a gareth/stalker charges at you? Trident fury: I find good cover and keep shooting, hoping to get them with a good reacharound. Gareth/stalker: I usually try to bolt when someone is charging hard and breaks within 4-450m. You can usually tell when they are after you. And when I bolt, I try to cross my spawn point or go past a blue buddy. Friends are more than happy to light up a raging light bot that gave up all patience and cover to hunt me down. |
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Post by hulkz1 on Feb 25, 2017 0:12:31 GMT -5
How is it going to go into wide service?
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 25, 2017 0:16:13 GMT -5
Since the league system is on hiatus, giving me little in the way of goals to shoot for, and there has been talk lately of some moderate success in hydra loadouts, I got the bug and spend some WSP on a couple and started leveling them up. I've been trying them out on a few bots, but just landed on an unexpected favorite: the rhino. Before you call me an idiot and try to post me on 'strange bots seen in the wild', hear me out. You can always call me an idiot later. 1. When I piss someone off with persistent pecking and they come charging at me, I can engage rush mode, sprint the other way, and piss them off with additional pecker-missiles from another location. 2. Have someone across the map with another medium or long range weapon trying to trade shots with you? Blow your load, then raise the shield. After their shot bounces off, drop shield and repeat. You'll outlast them more often than not. 3. Getting to good locations and ranges faster=more damage. 4. Nicer health pool than a griffon. 5. Griffon's maneuverability is wasted at 5-600m, but the rhino's slow clunkiness is not a problem. So, what is your favorite hydra build, and why? You run a WHAT?! Jk Jk, I actually love hydras |
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Post by cakeordeath on Feb 25, 2017 2:41:11 GMT -5
I gotta say that the idea of a missile rhino amuses the hell out of me. It's so against type for a brawler bot like the rhino and yet, your explanation makes perfect sense.
A duel between this rhino and a hydra fujin must be epicly slow. (Hit the shield... again)
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 25, 2017 3:11:33 GMT -5
How is it going to go into wide service? It won't take long at all for pilots to figure out that a Quad Hydra Doc has better all-map tactical uses than a TT Fury. At only 12K less damage per salvo (due to the Hydra reload and QuickDraw cooldown roughly coinciding, a Doc Hydra salvo is basically all four weapons in immediate sequence) compared to the TT Fury, but with higher hit percentage, the Doc Hydra will be a better choice than the TT Fury. The Hydra Doc should see as wide a service as the TT Fury ---- IF the bot costs Au. If it can only be bought via special events, then the Doc on any setup won't be seen in measurable numbers at all. |
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Post by Meep on Feb 25, 2017 6:42:26 GMT -5
I have a molot Rhino that while not taking a permanent slot in my hanger I do enjoy for reasons similar to the OP. I also had some WSP burning a hole in my pocket so bought 2 hydras and slowly leveling them up. Starting to see hydra/spiral Griffins more frequently and they can be a real pain on top of the blue building in the city "S" map (however you spell it).
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Post by DIeGo100% on Feb 25, 2017 9:01:45 GMT -5
Quad Hydra Doc is the best Hydra setup right now. No other platform is as mobile or delivers as much mid-range homing missile damage. At around 48K damage per double salvo, the Hydra Doc is a genuine mid-range threat and it will kill even a shield bot in a 1-vs-1 death match. This bot is more dangerous than a TT Fury and this will be clear once the Doc goes into wide service. Quad Hydra Doc is the best mid-Range bot? Come on , one Carnage zeus will kill him in matter of seconds |
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Post by DIeGo100% on Feb 25, 2017 9:06:29 GMT -5
How is it going to go into wide service? It won't take long at all for pilots to figure out that a Quad Hydra Doc has better all-map tactical uses than a TT Fury. At only 12K less damage per salvo (due to the Hydra reload and QuickDraw cooldown roughly coinciding, a Doc Hydra salvo is basically all four weapons in immediate sequence) compared to the TT Fury, but with higher hit percentage, the Doc Hydra will be a better choice than the TT Fury. The Hydra Doc should see as wide a service as the TT Fury ---- IF the bot costs Au. If it can only be bought via special events, then the Doc on any setup won't be seen in measurable numbers at all. Omg, guys do you know how many brawlers and anciles are on Gold tier? Hydras and spirals will not help your team mates when one ancilot is heading to your spawn zone |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 25, 2017 9:15:03 GMT -5
No my friend... I shall not hate you.. I SHALL LOVE YOU... I SHALL LOVE YOU LIKE I HAVE NEVER LOVED A MAN BEFORE..... XOXOXXO
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Post by osang on Feb 25, 2017 10:07:36 GMT -5
You're so..different.  |
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 25, 2017 10:12:34 GMT -5
Different?!? Different?!? Maybe if DIFFERENT IS CODEWORD FOR SEXIFIED LOVE BEAST... THEN YEA... GUILTY AS CHARGED! |
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Post by Demosthenes on Feb 25, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
I see no problem with Hydra/Spiral Rhinos: if you consider one of a 'bots primary roles as a delivery platform for weapon systems then the debate can be turned on its head.
Rather than deciding to use a Rhino and then debating what load-out is best, the question becomes: if I want to bring 600m range homing missiles to the match what should I put them on? In that case using a Rhino you have in the armoury is a perfectly reasonable decision.
I have not yet used Hydras, however it does strike me that a tri-Hydra Fujin may be one of the best platforms.
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Post by osang on Feb 25, 2017 10:28:11 GMT -5
Different?!? Different?!? Maybe if DIFFERENT IS CODEWORD FOR SEXIFIED LOVE BEAST... THEN YEA... GUILTY AS CHARGED! Lol  |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 25, 2017 10:55:16 GMT -5
It won't take long at all for pilots to figure out that a Quad Hydra Doc has better all-map tactical uses than a TT Fury. At only 12K less damage per salvo (due to the Hydra reload and QuickDraw cooldown roughly coinciding, a Doc Hydra salvo is basically all four weapons in immediate sequence) compared to the TT Fury, but with higher hit percentage, the Doc Hydra will be a better choice than the TT Fury. The Hydra Doc should see as wide a service as the TT Fury ---- IF the bot costs Au. If it can only be bought via special events, then the Doc on any setup won't be seen in measurable numbers at all. Omg, guys do you know how many brawlers and anciles are on Gold tier? Hydras and spirals will not help your team mates when one ancilot is heading to your spawn zone Groannn - another Ancilot supporter. Ancilots and Ancile-Leo's are overrated and they have low firepower and fall quite easily to either a Plasmahad or Gareth. The Ancil nerf that reduced the regeneration rate 30-40% makes the shield vulnerable to Thunder Carnage (when Thunders are on sequential fire - how the TT pros use it) too. The regen rate of the Ancile was what made it powerful - not its shield capacity. So the time of the Ancilot is ending. Youve not seen Quad Hydra Docs to any numbers yet, but a TT pilot using one will just shadow your Ancilot while killing your buddies that are also in range --- but when their buddies engage you, the Doc will be raining down missiles fired sequentially that will maintain your shield at zero while you are killed easily. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 11:58:20 GMT -5
I do not own any Hydras, but a Hydra Spiral Griffin was my favorite during test server.
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Post by zeus on Feb 25, 2017 12:13:12 GMT -5
I used to think 99% of hydra users are noobs for using such an ineffective weapon. Now I realized my thinking is misplaced, it's just that 99% of hydra users are plain noobs. Hydras can be effective in certain ways, be it clearing almost dead reds, suppressing them from camping in the open, like the Yamantau ramps, annoying shield bots or clearing mid range. Sure, there are always more effective weapons, but a varied hangar isn't the worse as long as your other bots can make it up. If you sit in a hydra bot for 4 minutes while your team is losing on beacons, odds are you're not in that elite 1%.
Doc hydra is just OP, continuous harassment.
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Post by DIeGo100% on Feb 25, 2017 14:44:54 GMT -5
Omg, guys do you know how many brawlers and anciles are on Gold tier? Hydras and spirals will not help your team mates when one ancilot is heading to your spawn zone Groannn - another Ancilot supporter. Ancilots and Ancile-Leo's are overrated and they have low firepower and fall quite easily to either a Plasmahad or Gareth. The Ancil nerf that reduced the regeneration rate 30-40% makes the shield vulnerable to Thunder Carnage (when Thunders are on sequential fire - how the TT pros use it) too. The regen rate of the Ancile was what made it powerful - not its shield capacity. So the time of the Ancilot is ending. Youve not seen Quad Hydra Docs to any numbers yet, but a TT pilot using one will just shadow your Ancilot while killing your buddies that are also in range --- but when their buddies engage you, the Doc will be raining down missiles fired sequentially that will maintain your shield at zero while you are killed easily. I dont have one ancile, seems like you know everything so you are right, Doc hydras is the best mid Rangel bot |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 25, 2017 15:11:18 GMT -5
Groannn - another Ancilot supporter. Ancilots and Ancile-Leo's are overrated and they have low firepower and fall quite easily to either a Plasmahad or Gareth. The Ancil nerf that reduced the regeneration rate 30-40% makes the shield vulnerable to Thunder Carnage (when Thunders are on sequential fire - how the TT pros use it) too. The regen rate of the Ancile was what made it powerful - not its shield capacity. So the time of the Ancilot is ending. Youve not seen Quad Hydra Docs to any numbers yet, but a TT pilot using one will just shadow your Ancilot while killing your buddies that are also in range --- but when their buddies engage you, the Doc will be raining down missiles fired sequentially that will maintain your shield at zero while you are killed easily. I dont have one ancile, seems like you know everything so you are right, Doc hydras is the best mid Rangel bot I don't know everything, but I used 2 Ancilots and now I use none. I stopped using them because they held down my damage dealt and because I play random most of the time. I also have multiple Hydras ready for when the Doc can be purchased with either gold or WSP (Tulumbas Doc setup trumps Hydra Doc). Additionally, I've killed Ancilots with just normal TT bots like a Plasmahad or Stuka Griffin so easily that I see Ancilots as basically easy marks. The Ancilot nerf and the fact that League play rewards the most by damage dealt basically ensures that Ancilots will fade away shortly after League play gets sorted out. It doesn't take much imagination to see the impact the Doc in Hydra or Tulumbas setup will have on this game. One just has to look at the Molot Griffin or Trident Fury --- two mid-range setups that were or are dominate in their class because they have very little downside and are effective at both mid and short range. |
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Post by DIeGo100% on Feb 25, 2017 15:38:49 GMT -5
I dont have one ancile, seems like you know everything so you are right, Doc hydras is the best mid Rangel bot I don't know everything, but I used 2 Ancilots and now I use none. I stopped using them because they held down my damage dealt and because I play random most of the time. I also have multiple Hydras ready for when the Doc can be purchased with either gold or WSP (Tulumbas Doc setup trumps Hydra Doc). Additionally, I've killed Ancilots with just normal TT bots like a Plasmahad or Stuka Griffin so easily that I see Ancilots as basically easy marks. The Ancilot nerf and the fact that League play rewards the most by damage dealt basically ensures that Ancilots will fade away shortly after League play gets sorted out. It doesn't take much imagination to see the impact the Doc in Hydra or Tulumbas setup will have on this game. One just has to look at the Molot Griffin or Trident Fury --- two mid-range setups that were or are dominate in their class because they have very little downside and are effective at both mid and short range. Agree with you, but take a look at the stats,with one hydra you have 13044 potential damage, that gives you 52175 potential damage if you hit all the missiles, imagine one carnage zeus, you fire all your hydras and you did 52715 damage oooo you dont break the shield because carnage has a shiel of 68000 health at level 12, in the meantime that carnage zeus can kill you or kill your team mates faster and better, thats why i dont think Hydra Doc will dominate the mid range, also if you drop 4 tulumbas againts one ancile, the ancile deal all that damage with no problem, this tread is not about the ancile, is about hydras and spirals, this weapons are great and you can make a lot of damage, but the game has better options for mid range. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 25, 2017 20:24:58 GMT -5
Quad Hydra Doc is the best Hydra setup right now. No other platform is as mobile or delivers as much mid-range homing missile damage. At around 48K damage per double salvo, the Hydra Doc is a genuine mid-range threat and it will kill even a shield bot in a 1-vs-1 death match. This bot is more dangerous than a TT Fury and this will be clear once the Doc goes into wide service. When do the wild bunch come into wide service? Seems strange to build and then not offer? Are you using one? |
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Post by Raiderrobb67 on Mar 2, 2017 13:46:59 GMT -5
Since the league system is on hiatus, giving me little in the way of goals to shoot for, and there has been talk lately of some moderate success in hydra loadouts, I got the bug and spend some WSP on a couple and started leveling them up. I've been trying them out on a few bots, but just landed on an unexpected favorite: the rhino. Before you call me an idiot and try to post me on 'strange bots seen in the wild', hear me out. You can always call me an idiot later. 1. When I piss someone off with persistent pecking and they come charging at me, I can engage rush mode, sprint the other way, and piss them off with additional pecker-missiles from another location. 2. Have someone across the map with another medium or long range weapon trying to trade shots with you? Blow your load, then raise the shield. After their shot bounces off, drop shield and repeat. You'll outlast them more often than not. 3. Getting to good locations and ranges faster=more damage. 4. Nicer health pool than a griffon. 5. Griffon's maneuverability is wasted at 5-600m, but the rhino's slow clunkiness is not a problem. So, what is your favorite hydra build, and why? |
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Post by Raiderrobb67 on Mar 2, 2017 13:53:44 GMT -5
Im using a Griffin this way.....because i spent 11000÷wsp on the hydras wasnt going to spend 15000wsp on a rhino at tbe moment
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Mar 2, 2017 14:09:08 GMT -5
I have a level 7 doc. Ran everything on it at one point or other. Useless.
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Post by shivaswrath on Mar 2, 2017 16:08:14 GMT -5
Quad Hydra Doc is the best Hydra setup right now. No other platform is as mobile or delivers as much mid-range homing missile damage. At around 48K damage per double salvo, the Hydra Doc is a genuine mid-range threat and it will kill even a shield bot in a 1-vs-1 death match. This bot is more dangerous than a TT Fury and this will be clear once the Doc goes into wide service. Sounds wicked!! I just put a pair on my Griffin... |
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