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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 24, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -5
I have received some good feedback and would like some more. I am at the crux of leveling into the 10's. I am at 9/9 right now, what are thoughts on most effective way given new MM and league system. Additional info: - Placed in Gold I tier I believe (received 540 Au), never saw league screen - Consistent War Robots of 58-62% for past week and 1/2 - Looking at hanger, I know Rhino is there w no weps. Not sure what will be 5th slot in hanger, 4 other bots I can upgrade consider now. -* Over last 3-4 days I am placed in battles with the vicious cycle, bots at TT, enough to effect: WIN = BOTTOM 3 LOSE = TOP 3 I want thoughts on how to best upgrade effectively! I have always in past leveled evenly across hanger. Given my current MM, not earning any Au, except w daily tasks - what is best option. 1) Level weapons first to 10 or 11, raise the dam & get some Au 2) Level up specific bots - Galahad to 10 or 11 first then next bot 3) Level up bots first so I last longer, I use 4-5 bots most battles 4) Level evenly, old way of weps first then bots My hanger below: Attachment DeletedYour thoughts, advice, strategies please
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Post by petevb on Feb 24, 2017 15:48:28 GMT -5
I'd combine some of the strategies you mention.
If you know you're not using one bot in particular leave it for last.
Between the bots you know you'll use, compare relative improvement vs each-other. One metric is rate of improvement per day of upgrade time. If you level the Galahad from 10 to 11 your weapons improve by 10% while your hitpoints improve by 6%. Because the hitpoint improvement means you can use your weapons ~6% longer these compound, meaning the bot got 16.6% better at doing damage. It takes 6.9 days to do the L9 > L10 upgrade, so this works out to the Galahad getting 2.4% more capable per day.
Compare this to the Lancelot: it only gets 1.5% more capable per day L9 > L10, while the Griffin is a little better at 1.8%. Judged this way upgrading the Galahad is the value, and upgrading the bot before the weapons is slightly better than the other way around.
Repeat for L10 > L11 and the Galahad is 2% per day, L11 > L12 is 1.6% per day (still better than the Lancelot L9 > L10).
Extend this analysis and assuming you're limited by time (and not silver) the ideal upgrade order is: Galahad > L10 > L11, Griffin > L10, Galahad > L12, Lance > L10, Griffin > L11, Lance > L11, Griffin > L12, Lance > L12
If you're silver constrained you'll need to run a different analysis for that. I'd also move things around to prioritize for a "favorite" bot you know you do well with, but use the above concept as a general framework.
In general this will resolve for keeping the bot equal to or one level higher than the weapons (some exceptions for bots that gain hitpoints quickly). It will also favor upgrading lighter bots and those with fewer weapons ahead of heavies with lots of weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:40:14 GMT -5
Even levels throughout, but level weapons first.
Also, you are short on midrange. I'd suggest replacing the Rhino with one.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 24, 2017 19:49:51 GMT -5
I'd combine some of the strategies you mention. If you know you're not using one bot in particular leave it for last. Between the bots you know you'll use, compare relative improvement vs each-other. One metric is rate of improvement per day of upgrade time. If you level the Galahad from 10 to 11 your weapons improve by 10% while your hitpoints improve by 6%. Because the hitpoint improvement means you can use your weapons ~6% longer these compound, meaning the bot got 16.6% better at doing damage. It takes 6.9 days to do the L9 > L10 upgrade, so this works out to the Galahad getting 2.4% more capable per day. Repeat for L10 > L11 and the Galahad is 2% per day, L11 > L12 is 1.6% per day (still better than the Lancelot L9 > L10). Extend this analysis and assuming you're limited by time (and not silver) the ideal upgrade order is: Galahad > L10 > L11, Griffin > L10, Galahad > L12, Lance > L10, Griffin > L11, Lance > L11, Griffin > L12, Lance > L12 If you're silver constrained you'll need to run a different analysis for that. I'd also move things around to prioritize for a "favorite" bot you know you do well with, but use the above concept as a general framework. $.02 WoW great statistcal analysis comparing dam vs wepaons!! Really like thoughts on compounding the damage very in depth and analytical. Favorite bot would be Aphid/Orkan Griff. But the Galahad is work-horse bot with best effectiveness for time spent. Will start there. Silver is still not an issue, still close to 337 Million Ag. If I keep Dam around 450k +, I will good for a while. I will do similar analysis for Ag, to see where I will start to run out to make decision on purchasing Prem package. One downside with the current battles is the continual frustration has me playing less overall, diminishing my Ag bank. The cost/time has not diminished my Silver bank in any perceptable amount, but it will soon. I hope my desire and play time will both increase to offset the additional cost. Thanks again for the great feedback!
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 24, 2017 21:17:28 GMT -5
for me still weapons 1st, running my 9/12 mostly top or 2nd in damage win or lose. bots at level 9 are already in max speed and already in great potential, but being match with 12/12 guys only way to win is to match their fire power, you can survive by playing wise to stay alive longer but fire power is the key to kill a 12/12 hangar. all IMO of course
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Post by miatahead on Feb 26, 2017 20:33:13 GMT -5
I'd level the fattest, flat out brawlers first, then hit and run bots. Since they've levelized all the bot (and weapon) progressions now, you would get the most incremental benefit doing the fattest bots first. Same with weapons.
Under the old scheme, I did 9/9 >> 10/10 >> 10/12 >> 12/12 (maxing still in progress). Seemed to work pretty good. At 10/12, I could compete ok against max bots except 1-on-1 where you could tell the difference. 9 bots were brutal against max hangers.
But silver is your constraint, so plan accordingly. Especially if getting premium is required to finish it off. Getting premium earlier I think is better than later, because if you have the nice silver bankroll, you can spend gold to accelerate the last levels, whereas if you are too silver constrained near the end, the gold is sorta useless and just sits there, mocking you.
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Post by blognio on Feb 26, 2017 20:39:27 GMT -5
wait is the league thing for ios out yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:40:49 GMT -5
Not yet.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Feb 27, 2017 1:33:47 GMT -5
Another way to look at it is when you level shield bots you're getting more hp for both the bot and the shield. I still keep weps a level or two above bots, but when it's time to level a bot I always go shield bot first.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 27, 2017 3:35:12 GMT -5
That's one sad looking Rhino...almost as sad as the HydraSpriralRhino™ I have seen recently in Springfield As for the upgrade - I'm still below L9, but as far as L8 is going, I've noticed more balanced play since I got my bots up in upgrades.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 27, 2017 3:38:24 GMT -5
Current plan: Thunder to 10 on Lancelot - bang for the buck so to speak Galahad & Lancelot to 10 - bc of shield + bot hp increase Next will be weapons to 10 across hanger
Plan on Premium at some point, but still earning Ag faster than spending: 325 Million Silver on hand 1900 Au 95 Million to get 4 bots to level 10 weapons *Thunder in process *2 Pins at level 10 (thanks Pix) *Not sure what 5th bot taking to TT so focused on leveling 4 main bots/weps
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 27, 2017 3:49:37 GMT -5
That's one sad looking Rhino...almost as sad as the HydraSpriralRhino™ I have seen recently in Springfield As for the upgrade - I'm still below L9, but as far as L8 is going, I've noticed more balanced play since I got my bots up in upgrades. Haha.... I agree, that was for illustration purposes only.... Not sure what my 5th TT bot will be? - Rotate the slot *Gareth / Leo / Carnage / Rhino / Natty
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Post by K A Z on Feb 27, 2017 4:00:32 GMT -5
I would personally suggest RDB Griff for your last spot; I've never invested in a Rhino, since my observation was, that I eat them way more often often, rather than get eaten by one. As for RDB Grif, I was skeptical at the beginning, but over time I grew really attached to it. More versatile than PDB Griff imo; those additional 150m together with burst nature of PinTulu combo plus further backing of jump feature create a really persistent pest of a bot. With slightly more pressure on field awareness, this combo is a blast.
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 27, 2017 4:03:02 GMT -5
i think the galahad, lance and griffin ork/aphids are good for your plan. im not sure about the plasma griffin, it is too fragile to get exposed too long and go 1 vs 1 compared to DB or ork/aphids setup jump unload and hide. right now im running 2 ork/aphids and 1 DB griffin 1 carnage thunder and a super F* annoying plasma gareth
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