psychoticwolf13
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Feb 23, 2017 21:59:30 GMT -5
Like, seriously. Why
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 22:07:25 GMT -5
Because it is 'redundant'. I certainly do not agree with the locks. Players have a right to complain about issues in game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 23:58:16 GMT -5
Might consider the atmosphere the posts where breeding
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 24, 2017 0:20:44 GMT -5
Every single one, eh?
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 24, 2017 0:25:17 GMT -5
There are four open ones on the front page right now.
Four.
I do understand that players want to feel like they can discuss what's on their minds. That's crucial to making a discussion community work.
By the same token, I would ask that even a bare minimum of research be conducted before threads like this are created.
If anything, this forum has been so inundated with MM threads that people have been starting threads complaining about the number of MM threads.
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Post by petevb on Feb 24, 2017 10:36:56 GMT -5
I've often seen moderators consolidate threads, moving a new one under an existing thread on the same topic. I'm not sure if that's practical in this case, but it might be worth considering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 22:39:58 GMT -5
With multiple open at any given time it's not like people are being censored. At some point people will run out of steam. However, trying too hard to contain it, rather than letting it organically fade might actually drag it out, as the most frustrated will simply feel marginalized. If it were my choice I'd only lock the ones that devolved into unfettered personal attacks. Locking them under the guise of redundancy seems both hypocritical and absurd when one looks at the sheer number of highly repetitive non-MM threads. JMHO
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 24, 2017 22:43:09 GMT -5
With multiple open at any given time it's not like people are being censored. At some point people will run out of steam. However, trying too hard to contain it, rather than letting it organically fade might actually drag it out, as the most frustrated will simply feel marginalized. If it were my choice I'd only lock the ones that devolved into unfettered personal attacks. Locking them under the guise of redundancy seems both hypocritical and absurd when one looks at the sheer number of highly repetitive non-MM threads. JMHO And when you get complaints that there are too many, that they are crowding out the useful threads, that the forum quality has declined as a result, and that they toxify the atmosphere, and some of your established regulars are indicating they'll participate less... what do you do then? Serious question, I'd be curious as to your input!
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 25, 2017 0:13:45 GMT -5
The admins accidentally ordered to many Virtual Pad Locks, so they had to use them all somehow
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 0:45:16 GMT -5
With multiple open at any given time it's not like people are being censored. At some point people will run out of steam. However, trying too hard to contain it, rather than letting it organically fade might actually drag it out, as the most frustrated will simply feel marginalized. If it were my choice I'd only lock the ones that devolved into unfettered personal attacks. Locking them under the guise of redundancy seems both hypocritical and absurd when one looks at the sheer number of highly repetitive non-MM threads. JMHO And when you get complaints that there are too many, that they are crowding out the useful threads, that the forum quality has declined as a result, and that they toxify the atmosphere, and some of your established regulars are indicating they'll participate less... what do you do then? Serious question, I'd be curious as to your input! Have the regulars contributed to the toxic atmosphere? As someone who was new and not a regular I have to say yes. They were extremely dismissive of the complaints early on, as well as had a tendency to condemn people, as clubbers therefore deserving of the pain, or arrogant 「multiple dookie delivery chute」, telling people they lacked real skills thus needed to learn to play. By doing so they only aggravated people with legitimate concerns. That's not helpful right now anyway, so actually if they're just lurking these days it's probably the best thing they can do, outside of still posting the occasional piece of advice. In fact, if they can just ignore the MM comments and keep posting helpful stuff, or friendly non-MM banter they can lead the newcomers by example. Will they come back once things detoxify? Yes. I believe they will. They're regulars and I'd assume many are loyal to both the game and the forums they've been a part of for a while. After as much as they've already invested they be foolish to not have some patience for a bit. This will fade. Is the forum quality a real concern? Prior to being linked in game I would have said the answer was subjective at best. However, now that said link is in place the answer is a firm yes. With that in mind, if I were vested in this forum, I'd be seeking options at every opportunity to restore what once was. With that in mind how bad is the atmosphere really? Compared to before the MM change, it is worse, definitely, but when I consider the old clubber threads I don't think it's a total breakdown. Comparison helps too. How does it compare to the War Robots Facebook page? This forum is way, way better IMO. I've found the War Robots Facebook community less than functional. I think it's also important to remember that with the in game link there's probably some trickling over that are from the War Robots Facebook community, which I find far more toxic. At that point I tend to think a slight uptick in thread reminders to stay on topic, so people come to terms with your expectations might be helpful. I do understand that you don't want to be, and shouldn't have to be babysitters, so it's a tightrope you're walking. What needs to happen to restore it's former self? First, War Robots needs to fix the league interface. Until then too many will focus solely on the MM, which people just cannot seem to let go of on both sides. We can only wait on that. With that in mind the relentless cheap shots, on both sides, that are prevalent even in threads not about the MM (These in particular are where I feel you can help the most. Kindly flagging people for instigating the unnecessary, unprovoked cheap shot at the opposition may help diminish those and then at least the fires will be contained in the proper threads.). There needs to be acknowledgement on both sides that the other view point has validity even if someone disagrees with it. You probably haven't noticed it, but that's the direction I have been trying to move recently. In example, if my perspective is at least acknowledged as valid it's harder for me to keep my personal fire alive. I'm not sure what a moderator can do about that, but I feel it's important. You're in a tough position. This forum has been made more visible at an inopportune time. It would have been far better to have been linked either before the new MM hit, or after the league interface was resolved. I do want to remind you that there have been people that started out fairly toxic that are now posting thought out comments, even if others don't agree with their perspective. They're prime examples of people who vented and have started coming to terms with what cannot be changed. I believe they prove my opinion that most people will eventually run out of steam and normalize. The more I think about it the more I believe that containing the unnecessary cheap shots in unrelated threads is important. It's frustrating to read a thread about x, or y and find your MM perspective being crapped on yet again, unprovoked. Those comments keep the kettle simmering, so to speak. I'm clueless about some of this social stuff, so please take my opinion with a grain of salt. The last thing I want is for anyone to think I feel like I know more than I do. I appreciate your listening though. Thanks..
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 25, 2017 0:49:16 GMT -5
@dasveen This is a fantastic response, clearly well thought out. I'll give it a closer reading and reply tomorrow. Just wanted to acknowledge it, I'm wrapping up forum business right now so I can go down and watch Whitechapel with the wife.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 25, 2017 2:15:33 GMT -5
Just for the pure irony, can someone lock this thread XD
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Post by SuperHero on Feb 26, 2017 7:21:34 GMT -5
That was an excellent post @dasveen!
The problem is that currently the folks who have been flagged don't seem to be willing to back down. And punitive measures seem to inflame the situation even in some cases when their "allies" take note of it.
I agree that part of the toxic nature has come from some players being triggered by others crossing imaginary lines of "honor" etc... and then taking it personally. Things then explode.
While I definitely want Pix to fix the League as well as a host of other things, I dont think we should be relying on the fixes to determine whether the forum remains toxic or not. Our manners and civility should not be at stake if things are not fixed.
And while I agree in trying to see the merits of both sides of the situation, we have been encountering very difficult individuals who do not seem to be able to agree to disagree. They become insulting and inflammatory if you do not agree with them and if u ban then or warn them, it seems to threaten to inflame others who support them and is interpreted as us siding with the other side as opposed to just doing our job and maintaining the rules of civility.
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Feb 26, 2017 7:36:39 GMT -5
And when you get complaints that there are too many, that they are crowding out the useful threads, that the forum quality has declined as a result, and that they toxify the atmosphere, and some of your established regulars are indicating they'll participate less... what do you do then? Serious question, I'd be curious as to your input! I'm clueless about some of this social stuff, so please take my opinion with a grain of salt. Can ppl stop tagging me in things that don't involve me? Thank you
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psychoticwolf13
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When you hear my howl, you know there's no escape
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Mar 15, 2017 11:51:57 GMT -5
could you not just make a MM section of the forum
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Mar 15, 2017 11:55:14 GMT -5
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psychoticwolf13
GI. Patton
When you hear my howl, you know there's no escape
Posts: 139
Karma: 26
Pilot name: Psychotic_Wolf13
Platform: iOS
Clan: The Wolf Clan
League: Expert
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Bulwark, Lancelot, Mercury
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Post by psychoticwolf13 on Mar 15, 2017 12:01:19 GMT -5
lolcostume
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 9, 2017 12:05:02 GMT -5
Because hearing people whine about something that will not change anytime soon gets tiresome.
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Post by Kaliaila on Oct 3, 2017 19:30:15 GMT -5
Because hearing people whine about something that will not change anytime soon gets tiresome. Generally, that can be avoided by not opening the thread(s).
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Post by amidf on Oct 3, 2017 19:34:48 GMT -5
Because hearing people whine about something that will not change anytime soon gets tiresome. Generally, that can be avoided by not opening the thread(s). Well said. But how do you know if someone has necroposted without opening a thread?
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Post by Kaliaila on Oct 3, 2017 19:50:45 GMT -5
Generally, that can be avoided by not opening the thread(s). Well said. But how do you know if someone has necroposted without opening a thread? I am used to the thread having its start date showing as well as the date of any new post on the thread.
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Post by amidf on Oct 3, 2017 20:06:21 GMT -5
Well said. But how do you know if someone has necroposted without opening a thread? I am used to the thread having its start date showing as well as the date of any new post on the thread. The mobile site is not very friendly.
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Post by Kaliaila on Oct 3, 2017 20:19:23 GMT -5
Tapatalk ftw.
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