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Post by copilotjesus on Feb 23, 2017 17:18:48 GMT -5
I've been toying around with some light mechs lately, and saw a topic about using them as knife fighters to also capture nodes.
It got me wondering if people prefer a high damage weapon over short amount of time, such as Piñatas, or having a weapon with more consistent damage over time, such as Magnums.
I've been leaning towards the high damage in short amount of time personally, as I can dodge between buildings while I wait for the reload, and then pop out to blast unwitting victims before hiding in the woodwork. My experience is somewhat limited though, so I thought it would be worth starting a discussion on.
So is high damage over short amount of time preferred to consistent damage over a longer period of time?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:26:21 GMT -5
High damage over a short period of time is better when your opponent is in bot that has no ancile. Otherwise, Plasma are better. It all depends on the bot build. Personally, I prefer Orkans and Pinatas on my Griffin over Tarans and Magnums, and Tarans / Orkans and Magnums on my Rhino over a Orkan Pinata Rhino. For Galahads, I prefer Tarans and Magnums, since Galahads are difficult to kill in a knife fight (backpedal Orkans and block Tarans), so it can be used for fighting in an extended period of time.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 23, 2017 17:39:56 GMT -5
What weapons do I use for knife fighting?
Personally, I like the Karambit, due to its unique claw like blade configuration. It allows for not just cutting and slashing and stabbing, but has almost a ripping effect... and combined with control techniques, joint manipulation and locks, it is part and parcel to some brutal bladeplay.
Then, I like a good ole K-Bar (or the original Camillus version). The right length to penetrate into most vitals, a hard pommel for good balance and nonlethal strikes, and... well, Semper FI... it is the knife many Marines had in WW2. Plus it has a guard and, while annoying for some utility tasks, can be a knuckle/finger saver in any knife on knife fighting.
Next... the Fairbain Sykes dagger... classic. SAS designed... no other use than killing. A damn fine blade to have to fight with if you are pushed into it.
Lastly... the Khukhri. I love this blade. It is a knife, a hatchet, and a machete all in one. The awesome Ghurkas brought it into our culture, and I am glad they did. In most encounters, length of blade matters. 12-15" on most of these bad boys... and man, what a blade! Usually very substantial, there have been reports of literally being able to de-limb an opponent. Not the fastest blade in the world, but arguably, one of the most powerful that are still thought of as a knife.
Hope that helps!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:43:30 GMT -5
I want to get a Wakizasi for knife fighting. The only knifes I have are a bunch of Victorinox ones and a a knife which pops open when you flip a lever.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 23, 2017 17:47:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Wakis are damn good! more of a shortsword... but hey, semantics
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:50:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Wakis are damn good! more of a shortsword... but hey, semantics But the good real ones are crazy expensive. Like 1-2K.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 23, 2017 17:50:28 GMT -5
I've been toying around with some light mechs lately, and saw a topic about using them as knife fighters to also capture nodes. It got me wondering if people prefer a high damage weapon over short amount of time, such as Piñatas, or having a weapon with more consistent damage over time, such as Magnums. I've been leaning towards the high damage in short amount of time personally, as I can dodge between buildings while I wait for the reload, and then pop out to blast unwitting victims before hiding in the woodwork. My experience is somewhat limited though, so I thought it would be worth starting a discussion on. So is high damage over short amount of time preferred to consistent damage over a longer period of time? This absolutely can go either way. A lot depends on the bot used. A sustained fire weapon is better in some circumstances, and burst damage weapons are good in others... I think the question could be better answered with a little bit more info... do you have any particular bot in mind to use?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 23, 2017 17:52:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Wakis are damn good! more of a shortsword... but hey, semantics But the good real ones are crazy expensive. Like 1-2K. And then you get into the custom, traditionally made ones... 10s of thousands... but if done well... with the old techniques using modern steel... wow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:23:41 GMT -5
But the good real ones are crazy expensive. Like 1-2K. And then you get into the custom, traditionally made ones... 10s of thousands... but if done well... with the old techniques using modern steel... wow. Yep, the ones made of the metal that starts with a T.
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 23, 2017 19:52:15 GMT -5
I've been toying around with some light mechs lately, and saw a topic about using them as knife fighters to also capture nodes. It got me wondering if people prefer a high damage weapon over short amount of time, such as Piñatas, or having a weapon with more consistent damage over time, such as Magnums. I've been leaning towards the high damage in short amount of time personally, as I can dodge between buildings while I wait for the reload, and then pop out to blast unwitting victims before hiding in the woodwork. My experience is somewhat limited though, so I thought it would be worth starting a discussion on. So is high damage over short amount of time preferred to consistent damage over a longer period of time? Are you talking about a Gareth? This is one of the best light bots out there. Plasmas set up (taran and magnum) or rocket (orkan and pinta) or put in an aphid in the light wep slot. I see both versions - I like the plasma version better for the extra 50m range and the continuous fire on the mags....but you still have to wait for the taran to reload. IMO if you are fighting heavier bots, burst damage is better (piñata Gepard) these days than continuous as you can use the speed and maneuverability of the light bot to shoot and scoot. If you are going up against light and med bots, either one works.
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 23, 2017 20:59:52 GMT -5
I run DB on Galahad and Plasma on Gareth. Mostly because Gary usually fights Griffs, Geps, Stalkers, Carnage, or other Garys and the plasma helps to hit fast, jumpy, or ancile equipped targets. Galahad I prefer to peek and pop because he has more trouble evading rocket fire.
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Post by copilotjesus on Feb 23, 2017 22:50:25 GMT -5
Is Gareth the way to go? I'm pretty new here, and haven't played with a Phalanx bot yet. They've been pretty annoying to play against, but maybe that's because they're good.
I was looking at Gepard myself. Triple Magnums vs some combination of Aphid/Piñata. Possibly a mix of both to see what I get a good feel for.
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Post by sonofsam on Feb 23, 2017 23:05:47 GMT -5
I've been toying around with some light mechs lately, and saw a topic about using them as knife fighters to also capture nodes. It got me wondering if people prefer a high damage weapon over short amount of time, such as Piñatas, or having a weapon with more consistent damage over time, such as Magnums. I've been leaning towards the high damage in short amount of time personally, as I can dodge between buildings while I wait for the reload, and then pop out to blast unwitting victims before hiding in the woodwork. My experience is somewhat limited though, so I thought it would be worth starting a discussion on. So is high damage over short amount of time preferred to consistent damage over a longer period of time? Since you are wanting to use a light bot I would say burst damage. If you are knife fighting in a light bot vs a heavy the heavy will tear you apart using a DOT weapon. You want something you can do burst damage then run for cover. I saw someone say something to the effect of "depends on the bot", but I disagree. There are only 3 light bots that have any chance of knife fighting. Stalker, Garreth, and Gepard. The gepard does have 3 light slots making it possible to mount 3 Pintas but being the slowest of the 3 with no special ability it is generally considered the worst choice. There is an argument of which of the other 2 is better. Gary has a shied and can carry an Orkin or Taran (I consider this a burst weapon). If you use him wit DOT weapons you have to leave yourself exposed and a heavy can strip his shield in seconds (I think it maxes at 120k) leaving you ducking for cover anyway. The stalker can go invisible but if you are still in the open when it wears off you are squishy. Given all the options I would use Pintas, Orkins, or a Taran on any of the above, then use the tactic of pop out do some quick burst damage and hide again.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 24, 2017 1:39:23 GMT -5
Only the Gareth as a light bot has the survivability to use Plasma, other Lights should only run Aphids IMO.
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 24, 2017 7:24:35 GMT -5
So is high damage over short amount of time preferred to consistent damage over a longer period of time? Depends. If you have an agile opponent that can hide (Stalker) it's better to do a high amount of damage over short time. The same is true if you're the one hiding. Against an Ancile robot (Carnage/Fujin), you need Plasma. Against a shielded robot (Gary) you'll need splash.
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 24, 2017 7:26:45 GMT -5
Only the Gareth as a light bot has the survivability to use Plasma, other Lights should only run Aphids IMO. Lights often encounter other lights, especially at the start of a battle, and Aphids won't help you there. Me, my solution is not to run any light robots at all
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Post by cypho on Feb 24, 2017 8:15:23 GMT -5
No definitive right answer to this one as it really depends what bot you're using and how you like to play. After going back and forth A LOT between pinatas and mags I finally settled on mags for my stalker as I found that, with the special ability, I could cause more damage with the sustained fire rate - and furies really hate it. I wouldn't use that on a Gep as it will get blasted to bits before you've managed very much. I don't have a gareth but they seem versatile and durable enough to go either way and then it's just luck of the draw whether you come up against something with or without a shield and what it is packing itself.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 24, 2017 8:19:14 GMT -5
Only the Gareth as a light bot has the survivability to use Plasma, other Lights should only run Aphids IMO. Lights often encounter other lights, especially at the start of a battle, and Aphids won't help you there. Me, my solution is not to run any light robots at all I said Aphids because you will face 80%+ of the time heavy bots, so they can poke them down pretty good. It is indeed recommended to not run any light bots, but that was my recomendation if the OP wishes to do so.
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Post by copilotjesus on Feb 24, 2017 18:11:08 GMT -5
What I'm hearing is that Gareth and Stalker are the preferred light bots. Gepard is feasible, but the weakest of the three.
Stalker and Gepard should stick to burst fire weapons. 2x and 3x Piñata/Aphid preferred respectively.
Gareth can go with burst or DOT weapons, due to it's shield giving more durability. Orkan + Piñata/Aphid is preffered setup for burst fire, and Taran + Magnum is preferred for DOT.
EDIT: thought Stalker had 2x Heavy loadout for some reason.
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Post by miatahead on Feb 26, 2017 20:22:02 GMT -5
I want to get a Wakizasi for knife fighting. The only knifes I have are a bunch of Victorinox ones and a a knife which pops open when you flip a lever. My weapon of choice for knife fights is my custom Browning Hi Power or Sig P228 if I need to conceal carry. The USP is a little too big to fit in my pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:30:10 GMT -5
I want to get a Wakizasi for knife fighting. The only knifes I have are a bunch of Victorinox ones and a a knife which pops open when you flip a lever. My weapon of choice for knife fights is my custom Browning Hi Power or Sig P228 if I need to conceal carry. The USP is a little too big to fit in my pocket. So we are talking about guns now? My dream one is a Bushmaster ACR. It's unfortunately too expensive and I have to wait until I am a bit older to get one.
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Post by miatahead on Feb 26, 2017 20:39:41 GMT -5
My weapon of choice for knife fights is my custom Browning Hi Power or Sig P228 if I need to conceal carry. The USP is a little too big to fit in my pocket. So we are talking about guns now? My dream one is a Bushmaster ACR. It's unfortunately too expensive and I have to wait until I am a bit older to get one. No, I was twisting the old adage, "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight." Why take a knife when you can use a gun in a knife fight?
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 26, 2017 21:02:06 GMT -5
My weapon of choice for knife fights is my custom Browning Hi Power or Sig P228 if I need to conceal carry. The USP is a little too big to fit in my pocket. So we are talking about guns now? My dream one is a Bushmaster ACR. It's unfortunately too expensive and I have to wait until I am a bit older to get one. Damn straight!! The best knife to bring to a knife fight is always a gun! Preferably a .44 Magnum Smith and Wesson Model 29... "go ahead, make my day." Dejnov
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 26, 2017 21:03:20 GMT -5
When I'm touching blades with my Gally.. Taran/dual mags... When my Boa going knuckle to knuckle its usually Thunder/taran or at times Thunder/Orkie.. And believe it or not.. Love knifin with my Golem, use a THUNDER/TARAN/MAG set up
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 26, 2017 21:12:37 GMT -5
My weapon of choice for knife fights is my custom Browning Hi Power or Sig P228 if I need to conceal carry. The USP is a little too big to fit in my pocket. So we are talking about guns now? My dream one is a Bushmaster ACR. It's unfortunately too expensive and I have to wait until I am a bit older to get one. Ahhhhh on that note.. The DLR standard is M-4.. Sidearm berreta 92 and for urban breech and clear Mossberg 590 ... That's accessible. Dream setup.. Socom 16 .. Yea the weight for rifle amd ammo is significantly heavier. Which is a major factor when humping a 50lb ruck hundreds rounds ammo.. Commo gear if you were a Signal grunt. For side piece probably Springfield Armory XDS in .45. And prob still Mossberg 590
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:20:31 GMT -5
I want to get a Wakizasi for knife fighting. The only knifes I have are a bunch of Victorinox ones and a a knife which pops open when you flip a lever. That's actually a small sword. A tanto is the appropriate complimentary knife
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:31:58 GMT -5
Always thought that the Katana was the sword, and the Wakizashi was the long knife that goes along with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 22:49:39 GMT -5
What weapons do I use for knife fighting? Tantos and kerambits for me
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 26, 2017 23:22:30 GMT -5
Tomahawk
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:55:21 GMT -5
Always thought that the Katana was the sword, and the Wakizashi was the long knife that goes along with it. Katana is the long sword Wakizashi is short sword Tanto is a knife of varying lengths, some sizeable. Not anything with a Waki at all, less issues in close quarters - real close quarters
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