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Post by Replicant on Feb 22, 2017 17:30:16 GMT -5
I currently run:
Stalker 8:10/10 Aphid
Galahad 8: 8/8/8 Orkan/Pinata
Carnage 8: 8/8 Thunder
Carnage 8: 8/8 Trident
Fujin 8: 8/8/8 Tulumbas
I have the resources to swap the Galahad to plasma. I can kit the Carnages with Zeus's, Trebuchets or Kangs. I've got about 6k gold and about 20k WSP to spend.
The heavies all feel sluggish to me. Every time I've fielded a Griffin I've ended up swapping it out for something smaller/faster. I definitely enjoy the Carnages and am not looking to replace them. I keep the Stalker for beacon running, and would consider flipping it for a Gareth if that made sense. What I'm looking for is some advice on whether to add a Griffin/Raiden/Rhino/Fury, or just hold pat with what I've got.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 17:42:18 GMT -5
I'd replace the Tulumbas Fujin for a Fury and the Thunder Carnage with a Lancelot.
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Post by Replicant on Feb 22, 2017 18:26:45 GMT -5
I'd replace the Tulumbas Fujin for a Fury and the Thunder Carnage with a Lancelot. Trident Fury? What about the Butch? |
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Post by blognio on Feb 22, 2017 18:37:54 GMT -5
Well, you can't get the butch atm. You can wait to see though. Or is it out right now?
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Post by Replicant on Feb 22, 2017 18:53:08 GMT -5
Well, you can't get the butch atm. You can wait to see though. Or is it out right now? Not available yet, but I'm cool with delayed gratification. If the Butch is a better choice than the Fury, I'm happy to wait. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 20:44:07 GMT -5
I'd replace the Tulumbas Fujin for a Fury and the Thunder Carnage with a Lancelot. Trident Fury? What about the Butch? Trident Fury of course. Unless you have 3 Zeus. And if you have a Butch, the Trident Zeus Combo is fun. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 22, 2017 22:04:38 GMT -5
I currently run: Stalker 8:10/10 Aphid Galahad 8: 8/8/8 Orkan/Pinata Carnage 8: 8/8 Thunder Carnage 8: 8/8 Trident Fujin 8: 8/8/8 Tulumbas I have the resources to swap the Galahad to plasma. I can kit the Carnages with Zeus's, Trebuchets or Kangs. I've got about 6k gold and about 20k WSP to spend. The heavies all feel sluggish to me. Every time I've fielded a Griffin I've ended up swapping it out for something smaller/faster. I definitely enjoy the Carnages and am not looking to replace them. I keep the Stalker for beacon running, and would consider flipping it for a Gareth if that made sense. What I'm looking for is some advice on whether to add a Griffin/Raiden/Rhino/Fury, or just hold pat with what I've got. I don't know what your damage average, but I'd guess it is around 300-400K? You hangar seems limiting as far as its ability to deal damage with the Stalker, rocket Gal, and having 2 mid-range setups. I'd try to get your damage potential up by doing any of the following: -Drop the Stalker and buy a Griffin to wear the Aphids. Take the Orkan off the Galahad and buy another Orkan if you don't have one. This would give you a OrkAphid Griffin - one if the most used setups in top tier and one of the versatile knifers. -Drop either the Tul Fujin or the Trident Carnage. Or, keep the one you feel performs best and convert the other to a knifer setup. If you convert the Carnage, then it's 2 Thunders it needs. If you keep the Fujin, then give it 3 Tarans. Another option is to go Thunder Carnage and put 3 Molot Mk2s on the Fujin. The Molot Fujin can take on any 600m Fury easily and even get with closer for some close support more forward than the Fury dare go. -Convert the Galahad to all Plasma. The Plasmahad is simply the best blend durability, speed and firepower. These changes should give you much more firepower and still give your overall hangar speed to run beacons. The new League matchmaking looks to reward hangars that can dish out max damage and it doesn't reward beacon running nearly as much. So if you start seeing hangars with 5 knifers, you may want to run the same. I run 5 knifers that have the speed to get behind enemy lines --- which functionally eliminates my need to use mid-rangers. My current hangar is below --- all knifers that I play on all maps except Springfield (a low scoring game win or lose). I be swapping out my Galahad for another splash Griffin soon ---- max damage is king now.  |
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Post by zombiecyborg on Feb 22, 2017 22:28:31 GMT -5
My two cents with consideration to your preferences of not using heavies . Swap out the stalker but not for a gareth, for a second galahad. For weapons, all plasma since you use very little in your entire hangar, actually none right now. Plasma Galahad would be considered by a lot of pilots as a very gool all-around bot.
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Post by Replicant on Feb 22, 2017 23:01:21 GMT -5
My two cents with consideration to your preferences of not using heavies . Swap out the stalker but not for a gareth, for a second galahad. For weapons, all plasma since you use very little in your entire hangar, actually none right now. Plasma Galahad would be considered by a lot of pilots as a very gool all-around bot. I have the Tarans and the Mags at easily acquirable for the Galahad. The hangar is splash-heavy mostly due to enemy physical shields and corner shooters. I might possibly have some residual hate for the sound of Mags thumping away... But yeah, converting the Gal to plasma definitely makes sense. |
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Post by Replicant on Feb 22, 2017 23:14:47 GMT -5
I don't know what your damage average, but I'd guess it is around 300-400K? You hangar seems limiting as far as its ability to deal damage with the Stalker, rocket Gal, and having 2 mid-range setups. I'd try to get your damage potential up by doing any of the following: -Drop the Stalker and buy a Griffin to wear the Aphids. Take the Orkan off the Galahad and buy another Orkan if you don't have one. This would give you a OrkAphid Griffin - one if the most used setups in top tier and one of the versatile knifers. -Drop either the Tul Fujin or the Trident Carnage. Or, keep the one you feel performs best and convert the other to a knifer setup. If you convert the Carnage, then it's 2 Thunders it needs. If you keep the Fujin, then give it 3 Tarans. Another option is to go Thunder Carnage and put 3 Molot Mk2s on the Fujin. The Molot Fujin can take on any 600m Fury easily and even get with closer for some close support more forward than the Fury dare go. -Convert the Galahad to all Plasma. The Plasmahad is simply the best blend durability, speed and firepower. These changes should give you much more firepower and still give your overall hangar speed to run beacons. The new League matchmaking looks to reward hangars that can dish out max damage and it doesn't reward beacon running nearly as much. So if you start seeing hangars with 5 knifers, you may want to run the same. I run 5 knifers that have the speed to get behind enemy lines --- which functionally eliminates my need to use mid-rangers. My current hangar is below --- all knifers that I play on all maps except Springfield (a low scoring game win or lose). I be swapping out my Galahad for another splash Griffin soon ---- max damage is king now. Damage estimate is spot-on. Any game where the Thunder Carnage gets to play results in much higher damage. I'm a bit leery of the Griffin - feels like a flying crate to me, but I have the Orkans and the Aphids to try it out. Will also give the Molot Fujin a go. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 22, 2017 23:23:11 GMT -5
My 2cents.
I'm running a sinilar level hanger - mostly 8/8.
I run both Stalker and Gary. I use them for different purposes but if I had to choose one I'd go for GARY (I have a 8/8/9 Gali as well and run Orkan/Pinata). I love the variation of the Gary - quicker speed for Stalker hunting and beacon running. I play at 8/8 so cant comment on higher levels.
I also run Gary with Orkan/Pinata - I tried the Plasma set up (With Gali as well) but there are some many shielded bots I foound them ineffective. I love nothing nore than hunting down Plasma Galihad's.
Lancelot is a great buy. Havent regreted it.
BTW - can I ask what it's like running two Carnages? I'm tempted myself as love Thunders but also want a mid-range option. I have Tridents at 7/7 and Zeus at 7/7....working out what to level or is better.
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Post by moody on Feb 22, 2017 23:28:13 GMT -5
I currently run: Stalker 8:10/10 Aphid Galahad 8: 8/8/8 Orkan/Pinata Carnage 8: 8/8 Thunder Carnage 8: 8/8 Trident Fujin 8: 8/8/8 Tulumbas I have the resources to swap the Galahad to plasma. I can kit the Carnages with Zeus's, Trebuchets or Kangs. I've got about 6k gold and about 20k WSP to spend. The heavies all feel sluggish to me. Every time I've fielded a Griffin I've ended up swapping it out for something smaller/faster. I definitely enjoy the Carnages and am not looking to replace them. I keep the Stalker for beacon running, and would consider flipping it for a Gareth if that made sense. What I'm looking for is some advice on whether to add a Griffin/Raiden/Rhino/Fury, or just hold pat with what I've got. I don't know what your damage average, but I'd guess it is around 300-400K? You hangar seems limiting as far as its ability to deal damage with the Stalker, rocket Gal, and having 2 mid-range setups. I'd try to get your damage potential up by doing any of the following: -Drop the Stalker and buy a Griffin to wear the Aphids. Take the Orkan off the Galahad and buy another Orkan if you don't have one. This would give you a OrkAphid Griffin - one if the most used setups in top tier and one of the versatile knifers. -Drop either the Tul Fujin or the Trident Carnage. Or, keep the one you feel performs best and convert the other to a knifer setup. If you convert the Carnage, then it's 2 Thunders it needs. If you keep the Fujin, then give it 3 Tarans. Another option is to go Thunder Carnage and put 3 Molot Mk2s on the Fujin. The Molot Fujin can take on any 600m Fury easily and even get with closer for some close support more forward than the Fury dare go. -Convert the Galahad to all Plasma. The Plasmahad is simply the best blend durability, speed and firepower. These changes should give you much more firepower and still give your overall hangar speed to run beacons. The new League matchmaking looks to reward hangars that can dish out max damage and it doesn't reward beacon running nearly as much. So if you start seeing hangars with 5 knifers, you may want to run the same. I run 5 knifers that have the speed to get behind enemy lines --- which functionally eliminates my need to use mid-rangers. My current hangar is below --- all knifers that I play on all maps except Springfield (a low scoring game win or lose). I be swapping out my Galahad for another splash Griffin soon ---- max damage is king now. I hesitate to ask how you managed to get 202 wins in a row. |
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Post by moody on Feb 22, 2017 23:32:01 GMT -5
My 2cents. I'm running a sinilar level hanger - mostly 8/8. I run both Stalker and Gary. I use them for different purposes but if I had to choose one I'd go for GARY (I have a 8/8/9 Gali as well and run Orkan/Pinata). I love the variation of the Gary - quicker speed for Stalker hunting and beacon running. I play at 8/8 so cant comment on higher levels. I also run Gary with Orkan/Pinata - I tried the Plasma set up (With Gali as well) but there are some many shielded bots I foound them ineffective. I love nothing nore than hunting down Plasma Galihad's. Lancelot is a great buy. Havent regreted it. BTW - can I ask what it's like running two Carnages? I'm tempted myself as love Thunders but also want a mid-range option. I have Tridents at 7/7 and Zeus at 7/7....working out what to level or is better. A plasma Galahad that knew what it was doing wouldn't be worried about an ork/pin gal. All it has to do is keep out of 300m range. I regretted Lance for a long time. I have recently turned around my thinking on it but I still don't think it's incredible. I have often managed to take out at least two or three bots with it - usually while trying to make a last ditch beacon grab. |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 23, 2017 0:00:38 GMT -5
I don't know what your damage average, but I'd guess it is around 300-400K? You hangar seems limiting as far as its ability to deal damage with the Stalker, rocket Gal, and having 2 mid-range setups. I'd try to get your damage potential up by doing any of the following: -Drop the Stalker and buy a Griffin to wear the Aphids. Take the Orkan off the Galahad and buy another Orkan if you don't have one. This would give you a OrkAphid Griffin - one if the most used setups in top tier and one of the versatile knifers. -Drop either the Tul Fujin or the Trident Carnage. Or, keep the one you feel performs best and convert the other to a knifer setup. If you convert the Carnage, then it's 2 Thunders it needs. If you keep the Fujin, then give it 3 Tarans. Another option is to go Thunder Carnage and put 3 Molot Mk2s on the Fujin. The Molot Fujin can take on any 600m Fury easily and even get with closer for some close support more forward than the Fury dare go. -Convert the Galahad to all Plasma. The Plasmahad is simply the best blend durability, speed and firepower. These changes should give you much more firepower and still give your overall hangar speed to run beacons. The new League matchmaking looks to reward hangars that can dish out max damage and it doesn't reward beacon running nearly as much. So if you start seeing hangars with 5 knifers, you may want to run the same. I run 5 knifers that have the speed to get behind enemy lines --- which functionally eliminates my need to use mid-rangers. My current hangar is below --- all knifers that I play on all maps except Springfield (a low scoring game win or lose). I be swapping out my Galahad for another splash Griffin soon ---- max damage is king now. I hesitate to ask how you managed to get 202 wins in a row. I seal clubbed with five 4/6 Thunder Schutzes ---- did that for the better part of last year. I passed 50 straight wins several times just playing random and my best was 88 straight matches. After a while, a seal clubbing clan just asked me to join them after I crushed several of them 1-vs-1 and we squaded for hundreds of straight wins each. I stopped squading after 202 straight games and quit seal clubbing after I hit around 45K Au. The best seal clubber I saw was Sargus Bane ---- 95K+ Au banked and 10K plus cups. I could only beat him 1 in 4 matches when in a 1-vs-1 situation. Seal clubbing definitely was worth it before MM ended it. This is what have in reserves right now - 90% from clubbing:  Aside from one more Griffin I am upgrading to L11, I only have 3 bots and 11 weapons that aren't L12 already (sure I could speed up to all L12 right now but what's the point). Lots of seal clubbers never could really fight well with equal equipment --- I was already a good pilot before I started clubbing and I'm a good pilot after clubbing. The TT Fury mid-range meta never phased me, as every PDB, DB, or Fury was meta to me when I clubbed in low/high Bronze with an extremely squishy level 4 Schutze, so that's why I don't use any mid rangers now. This new league system will just make matches easier for me, as I'll see more knifers now, since all knifer hangars and playing random seems to be what will get the most rewards. |
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Post by Replicant on Feb 23, 2017 0:02:16 GMT -5
BTW - can I ask what it's like running two Carnages? I'm tempted myself as love Thunders but also want a mid-range option. I have Tridents at 7/7 and Zeus at 7/7....working out what to level or is better. I really like Carnages, so bias... but I like having one short and one long. I go back and forth between Tridents and Zeus. If you have an aversion to heavy mechs the carnage is one of your better options for a mid/long range platform. |
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 23, 2017 0:09:45 GMT -5
BTW - can I ask what it's like running two Carnages? I'm tempted myself as love Thunders but also want a mid-range option. I have Tridents at 7/7 and Zeus at 7/7....working out what to level or is better. I really like Carnages, so bias... but I like having one short and one long. I go back and forth between Tridents and Zeus. If you have an aversion to heavy mechs the carnage is one of your better options for a mid/long range platform. Yeah for some reason I'm trying to love them. currently I'm not always successful but keepimg at it. I know a little off topic but Tridents or Zeus? Which would you level first? |
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Post by petevb on Feb 23, 2017 1:48:33 GMT -5
Interesting question...
Highly mobile Top tier competitive bots:
Short range:
Aphid Gepard
PDB Gareth
PDB (or Aphid / Ork) Galahad
Orkan Doc
Mid range:
Tulu Doc
Zeus Carnage
If I were you I'd probably go for:
PDB Galahad / Aphid Taran or PDB Galahad / Tulu Doc / Zeus Carnage
Last bot could be Ork Doc, PDB Gareth or P/DB Galahad. Thunder Carnage will work in a pinch (it is fun) but I think you'll win more often with one of the other options.
This lineup is fast and low hp, so it will risk meching out quickly on tighter maps if you're not smart and careful with it (especially if you run the Carnage thunder option). Tridents in particular are the enemy. If it's an issue you could swap in a longer lasting bot like an Ancilot or Rhino in place if the last option...
eventually the real fix is to get more comfortable with heavies.
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Post by Replicant on Feb 23, 2017 3:06:53 GMT -5
I really like Carnages, so bias... but I like having one short and one long. I go back and forth between Tridents and Zeus. If you have an aversion to heavy mechs the carnage is one of your better options for a mid/long range platform. Yeah for some reason I'm trying to love them. currently I'm not always successful but keepimg at it. I know a little off topic but Tridents or Zeus? Which would you level first? I tend to use the trident more than the Zeus. Hitting mechs that think they're in cover is always fun, and a little team support-fire on a physical shield bot is nice too. While cycle dps on Zeus is higher, you have to expose yourself more. |
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Post by Replicant on Feb 24, 2017 12:34:43 GMT -5
I Swapped the Galahad's Rocket load-out for Taran/Mag/Mag. The sustained fire-power is nice, but I do occasionally miss being able to hunt down other Galahads/Gareths with the Orkan/Pinata setup. Do people just accept the tradeoff and pick other targets?
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Post by moody on Feb 24, 2017 19:21:44 GMT -5
I Swapped the Galahad's Rocket load-out for Taran/Mag/Mag. The sustained fire-power is nice, but I do occasionally miss being able to hunt down other Galahads/Gareths with the Orkan/Pinata setup. Do people just accept the tradeoff and pick other targets? Stay out of db range. You can still pick them off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 19:35:45 GMT -5
I Swapped the Galahad's Rocket load-out for Taran/Mag/Mag. The sustained fire-power is nice, but I do occasionally miss being able to hunt down other Galahads/Gareths with the Orkan/Pinata setup. Do people just accept the tradeoff and pick other targets? Yes. Your greatest enemy is another Plasma Galahad and midrange. Everything else the Galahad can fend off. |
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Feb 24, 2017 19:42:54 GMT -5
Trident Fury? What about the Butch? Trident Fury of course. Unless you have 3 Zeus. And if you have a Butch, the Trident Zeus Combo is fun. Yeah I bet! Make em run for cover when you zap them and then splash em good to flush em out again! That will be the next big topic of complaint after the trident fury issue has been beaten dead. |
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Post by Replicant on Feb 24, 2017 20:14:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips. I'll check back once the Mags are upgraded and I can move on to the Aphid/Orkan Grif.
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