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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 21, 2017 22:00:58 GMT -5
I have seen the other threads that are similar (moody)  , but we each have are own unique elements. I am at a 9/9 hanger and trying to figure best options to proceed to TT. Current assets: All level 9/9 - Galahad - plasma - Lancelot - Thunder / Orkan - Griffin x2 - Aphid / Orkan (main) swap these - Plasma & Tulu/Pin Level 8: - Rhino - full plasma & swap in level 8 Aphids - Carnage - Tridents at level 9 or Thunders (1 at 9, other at 6) I also swap in level 7 Leo with Thunder/Mag. (Tanks well, easy to Pilot) Trying to figure upgrade strategy, the more I run the Lancelot, the more I want another. With my MM, run with / against a lot of TT hangers with multiple Lancelots. I could definitely see running 2 Lancelots, 2 Orkans or 1 Orkan / 1 Taran. Factors I am considering: * ranked Gold I tier today = 540 Au, now close to 1800 Au. * I have stopped spending Ag on WS @ 31000 WS points (dont have plan) * Maintaining 310 - 330 Million in Ag since new MM and going through level 8 to level 9 in bots. Was 6/9 hanger pre new MM, so just been lvling bots. * I have good reserve on MM but I know it will not get me to 12/12, plan on utilizing prem. at some point & have 25 bots/weps to sell (event prizes) I am considering a couple options: 1) Get Ancile now and upgrade for Ancilcelot, will not need to upgrade 2nd Thunder to run both Carnage & Lancelot (Is the Ancile really worth it??) If this is best, will end thoughts of leveling Leo, able to run Carnage instead. 2) Still have daily missions, so some extra play I could push to save for another Lancelot instead. I was backed up in missions; went from 1060 to 1800 in Au today, way ahead of my planned Au rate. 3) Not sure how I will level to top, I have seen alot of 10/11 - 12 hangers. I know I like to upgrade weps before bots, so trying to figure that out. 4) Right Now, my plan is (if I dont purchase anything - Ancile) *Save for 2nd Lancelot 1) level Carnage to 9 2) level Thunder to 10 on Lancelot 3) Either Lancelot or Galahad to level 10 - then other *Will hopefully have next upgrades planned by then. Please any thoughts and advice. |
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Post by moody on Feb 21, 2017 22:31:02 GMT -5
You have asked for my advice and I will give it, but not today as I really can't think straight enough and I'm working.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 21, 2017 23:35:51 GMT -5
Forget the Ancil. The nerf to the regeneration rate will bring Ancilots back down to earth.
I have an L12 Ancil and I ran a Taran Ancilot in TT as a random. The setup works if you run them with a blue Heavy that carries splash, but I found the damage less overall than just running another Plasmahad or a Thunder/Orkan Lancelot setup.
I have 2 Lancelots and I used to run one as a Thunder/Orkan and the other as a Thunder/Taran, but now only 1 --- the Thunder/Orkan setup.
What I disliked about running 2 Lancelots was that having 2 of them really brought down my overall hangar's speed and my play style favors power runners --- so only one slow bot is allowed.
Overall, your hangar with the 1 Plasmahad, 2 Stuka Griffins, 1 Thunder/Orkan Lance, and 1 Trident Carnage (or TarAphid Rhino) is a Top Tier kind of lineup. You can just stick with these bots all the way to 12/12 levels.
For the new league system seemly using damage as the top measure, I can in the future swapping the Trident Carnage for a TT Fury or a Quad Tulumbas Doc. The TT Fury will simply out perform the Trident Carnage on all maps except DC maybe. The Tool Doc will just allow you more chances of delivering damage due to better mobility, better accuracy/ease of use, and higher survivability.
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Post by Dejnov on Feb 22, 2017 2:35:43 GMT -5
From your line-up it seems to be knife fight splash line-up. That is a solid line-up in damage type and bots.
I would stick to upgrading the only things you're sure about to taking to higher levels... your Orkans. You've got 3 sets of Orkans and those are mainstays on the majority of your bots (the Lance, the Griffin, and the Rhino).
I would work to getting a pair to 12 first. Then a second. After that you'll probably be out of Ag... so we can then quit worrying. =)
If you're not, then a pair of Aphids as you have six of those also. Possibly the Plasma on the Galahad as that won't switch anytime soon, either.
Then the Lance, a Griff, and the Galahad as one of each seems to be a staple for your hangar. You will for sure be out of Ag now. =)
Dejnov.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 22, 2017 3:20:45 GMT -5
The best weapon to upgrade first is Thunder, followed by Taran, Magnum, then Orkans I guess (nobody uses punishers). You want DPS return.
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 22, 2017 5:18:06 GMT -5
get 6 orkans, 4 for 2 lance and 2 for griffin.
1 midrange (carnage + trident) and 1 plasma Gala.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 22, 2017 11:58:13 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for your thoughts! My Plan: Pass on the Ancile Save for doc or Fury??? or  Upgrade the Rhino & Carnage to 9 Thunder to 10 Lancelot & Galahad to 10 Current hanger below: Attachment DeletedPlayed this morning and nothing in game on leagues. I am apparently in Gold I, competition is consistently FIERCE. |
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 22, 2017 14:37:56 GMT -5
I'm in Gold I as well and from what I recall seeing you're a bit under leveled. I'm at 9/10 now and I've been making a conscious effort to make my hangar lighter, to avoid the MM penalty from doing too much damage. I should add, doing that because I feel under leveled as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 15:40:56 GMT -5
SoCalGrndR, quick question - are you running RDB over Tri (or Thuner) Carn right now b/c of the 9-Pins, or do you just like that setup better? I ask b/c i am grappling with the Trident Carnage vs RDB Griff decision right now. Tridents raise my damage average, but are not that exciting to play imho.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 22, 2017 16:28:33 GMT -5
SoCalGrndR , quick question - are you running RDB over Tri (or Thuner) Carn right now b/c of the 9-Pins, or do you just like that setup better? I ask b/c i am grappling with the Trident Carnage vs RDB Griff decision right now. Tridents raise my damage average, but are not that exciting to play imho. I have always swapped them back and forth. Still have not decided what I like better. I think I do more damage on bigger maps with Tri/Carny as well, but feels like you just pace back and forth waiting to shoot most of time. The Griffin seems more versatile being able to ambush reds and do some closer fighting. I am not using Thunder/Carnage set-up, only because I have 2 level 9 Thunders, my 3rd is only level 6. The 1 is on my Lancelot, tried my Carnage with level 9 & 6 not as effective by wide margin over level 7 Leo with 9/9 Thunder/Mags. Will be upgrading 3rd Thunder to 9, not sure when. Right now getting my hanger to all level 9 bots, then moving back to weapons. My Rhino is in process, then leaves only Carnage, then 6 bots at level 9. Not planning to upgrade Leo anytime soon. *The Pin bug was definitely FUN, but not a game changer by any means. Never got within 200k of max damage. I was placed in Gold I yesterday. It was real challenging yesterday, and today even more so. I am still scoring well for me 450k+ damage, but looks like I am in the cycle of being in top 1-2-3 on loss and bottom 3 on win, not making much Au at all today. Win rate is hovering at 58-60%, that combo is way disappointing!!! If it stays like this will probably back to just daily tasks till my weapons are level 10 and see how the game is. |
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Post by petevb on Feb 22, 2017 16:29:36 GMT -5
I'd say you're solid if you run a TT Fury in place of the Carnage. I would probably go:
PDB Galahad
Aphid Ork Griffin
Ork Thunder Lance
TT Fury
For the last slot I'd probably run a 2nd Aphid Ork Griffin, though if you like to play flanks I'd consider the Plasma Rhino instead.
If you go this direction I would not upgrade the Carnage and probably not upgrade the Rhino. The Ancilot is strongest as a team weapon, I'd only consider it for squad play purposes and agree the nerf will hurt. A second Lance will slow you down, you might need to pull the Griffin and run Galahad/ Rhino to compensate. You can make the 2x Lance lineup work, but if you're a smart player the tactical value of the speed is very high- for me it outweighs the extra grunt the second Lance provides.
Lowest HP bots benefit most from increased health; I'd focus on your Galahad, both weapons and bot, as the first to upgrade.
I think the whole "make your hanger lighter, try not to do damage" thing will pass as the leagues are rolled out fully and we become more fixated on player rating.
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Post by Desolator on Feb 22, 2017 17:26:06 GMT -5
My advice is not to spend any gold on ancile, lance or furry and wait to see what will happen with the dash bot. what if Pixonic priced it with gold upon release?
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 22, 2017 23:30:26 GMT -5
I'd say you're solid if you run a TT Fury in place of the Carnage. I would probably go: PDB Galahad Aphid Ork Griffin Ork Thunder Lance TT Fury For the last slot I'd probably run a 2nd Aphid Ork Griffin, though if you like to play flanks I'd consider the Plasma Rhino instead. If you go this direction I would not upgrade the Carnage and probably not upgrade the Rhino. The Ancilot is strongest as a team weapon, I'd only consider it for squad play purposes and agree the nerf will hurt. A second Lance will slow you down, you might need to pull the Griffin and run Galahad/ Rhino to compensate. You can make the 2x Lance lineup work, but if you're a smart player the tactical value of the speed is very high- for me it outweighs the extra grunt the second Lance provides. Lowest HP bots benefit most from increased health; I'd focus on your Galahad, both weapons and bot, as the first to upgrade. I think the whole "make your hanger lighter, try not to do damage" thing will pass as the leagues are rolled out fully and we become more fixated on player rating. Thanks for the detailed analysis! I already started on Rhino & will max speed @ 9, but will skip on Carnage. I will start upgrading on Galahad 1st. Post from (dejnov) has me thinking - I have always done upgrades evenly across hanger. Would it be wise to do multiple upgrades levels ie. 10 &11 on Galahad before going to next. Do you think that would be effective? |
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Post by moody on Feb 22, 2017 23:42:27 GMT -5
I'd say you're solid if you run a TT Fury in place of the Carnage. I would probably go: PDB Galahad Aphid Ork Griffin Ork Thunder Lance TT Fury For the last slot I'd probably run a 2nd Aphid Ork Griffin, though if you like to play flanks I'd consider the Plasma Rhino instead. If you go this direction I would not upgrade the Carnage and probably not upgrade the Rhino. The Ancilot is strongest as a team weapon, I'd only consider it for squad play purposes and agree the nerf will hurt. A second Lance will slow you down, you might need to pull the Griffin and run Galahad/ Rhino to compensate. You can make the 2x Lance lineup work, but if you're a smart player the tactical value of the speed is very high- for me it outweighs the extra grunt the second Lance provides. Lowest HP bots benefit most from increased health; I'd focus on your Galahad, both weapons and bot, as the first to upgrade. I think the whole "make your hanger lighter, try not to do damage" thing will pass as the leagues are rolled out fully and we become more fixated on player rating. Thanks for the detailed analysis! I already started on Rhino & will max speed @ 9, but will skip on Carnage. I will start upgrading on Galahad 1st. Post from (dejnov) has me thinking - I have always done upgrades evenly across hanger. Would it be wise to do multiple upgrades levels ie. 10 &11 on Galahad before going to next. Do you think that would be effective? I think given the new damaged based Matchmaker that this makes more sense now than it used to. Tier is now no longer dependent on your most powerful bot. If you can do most of your damage on say 2 or 3 bots and rarely use the other 2 - then maxing those 2 or 3 makes sense. Me personally, I go through all 5 bots too often to not max evenly. |
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Post by moody on Feb 23, 2017 0:06:54 GMT -5
I have looked through all the call and responses and find I really don't have anything to add. Sorry.
One thing I will say, is while still at this level experiment with some other things. I'm playing with a treb/molot leo at the moment and I have been recommended to try an Orkan Pin galahad. (yes, pin, not pinata, and post lev 9 issues).
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, but we each have are own unique elements.
