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Post by dude on Feb 21, 2017 16:07:15 GMT -5
The new rage are the Lances with Anciles. It is like the seal-clubbers of past. Basically load up a couple in your hanger and you'll win every time. Pix nerfed the aphids and buffed the shield. Now, it takes 2-3 bots to take down one of these behemoths wearing bibs.
We desperately need a solution to these because it takes a lot of reloads to get one of these to go away, much less 10 of them. (fought a squad with 10 collectively in their hangers)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:11:29 GMT -5
Ancile Lancelots are snacks for me. You must learn how to force them to act cocky and find a way to get inside their shield.
If you had experiences in fighting tri-mag gepards with thunder bots, it is the same strategy.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 21, 2017 16:24:01 GMT -5
Thunders as far as 500m can wear down the shield. Rockets can do the rest.
Likewise just bypass the shield all together and just into the shield with a DB and blast at point blank range.
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Post by Thumpmonkey1 on Feb 21, 2017 16:31:27 GMT -5
I run one, and if nobody gangs up on me and they give me time to recharge the shield then yeah, it's a tough nut to crack. But when a couple plasma bots or a thunder bot are in the mix I go down just like any other Lance if I can't get back to cover and restore the 1v1 matchup or recharge the shield.
Plus I have no more firepower than a Rog, so if red panics I win, and if not, I crumple into a pile of parts.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 21, 2017 16:32:43 GMT -5
Thunders as far as 500m can wear down the shield. Rockets can do the rest. Likewise just bypass the shield all together and just into the shield with a DB and blast at point blank range. Yup, nothing keeping you from gettin all up in their grill and makin the kill. Thankfully, the Ancile doesn't stop a bot. |
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Post by ewing411 on Feb 21, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5
The new rage are the Lances with Anciles. Who are these "Space Rich" punks with 6.5k Au to burn? Some of us don't even have our 5th hanger bay. -_- |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 21, 2017 17:34:03 GMT -5
Wish I could trade my medium hardpoint on the Gary for an Ancile.... OOOO that's an idea... make a medium version! Ancile Aphid Galahad FTW!
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Post by RightOn on Feb 21, 2017 18:04:22 GMT -5
I've been looking at Ancile Taran Lancelot. I could buy it today. Thing is, I use Ancile Magnum Leo and I have my comparison...
The Leo fires endlessly, whereas the Lancelot barely beats the DPS of trimag before reload.
The Leo got a health buff to 226k, that's 56k more than Lancelot. What did Lancelot get in return? A 10% shield debuff to 102k a piece.
Once a piece of shield breaks it's going down... I go out of my way to solo Lancelots in the Leo because I know I can backtrack from 350M, break open his shield, and kill him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:22:26 GMT -5
RightOn, I think you are on to something. I recall someone (and I apologize for not remembering who to give credit to) described Leo as a 150 HP bot with a 76k 360 degree physical shield against everything. I liked that analogy as it made me think about Leo in a different light. Magnum fires twice per second at 1269 per shot (level 8), while the same level 8 taran deals 1524 and fires 32 times in 10 seconds before reload. One Taran at level 8 deals 48,768 in 10s. One magnum deals 25,380. So level 8 Ancilot deals 97,536 in 10 seconds, while Leo with three level 8 mags dishes 76,140. But then Leo keeps firing for 5 second while Tarans reload on Ancilot.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 21, 2017 18:35:27 GMT -5
That 5 seconds is a big deal too because without pressure being put down you're going to be intercepted in a heavy bot.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 21, 2017 18:40:50 GMT -5
RightOn, I think you are on to something. I recall someone (and I apologize for not remembering who to give credit to) described Leo as a 150 HP bot with a 76k 360 degree physical shield against everything. I liked that analogy as it made me think about Leo in a different light. Magnum fires twice per second at 1269 per shot (level 8), while the same level 8 taran deals 1524 and fires 32 times in 10 seconds before reload. One Taran at level 8 deals 48,768 in 10s. One magnum deals 25,380. So level 8 Ancilot deals 97,536 in 10 seconds, while Leo with three level 8 mags dishes 76,140. But then Leo keeps firing for 5 second while Tarans reload on Ancilot. You aren't factoring in the Lanc 'rush' button. Gives it an edge over the LEO factoring in the damage output. I've run both bots and set ups. I prefer LEO Ancile Aphids as the best set up on an Ancile LEO. |
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Post by LOLDONGS on Feb 21, 2017 21:47:36 GMT -5
I've been looking at Ancile Taran Lancelot. I could buy it today. Thing is, I use Ancile Magnum Leo and I have my comparison... The Leo fires endlessly, whereas the Lancelot barely beats the DPS of trimag before reload. The Leo got a health buff to 226k, that's 56k more than Lancelot. What did Lancelot get in return? A 10% shield debuff to 102k a piece. Once a piece of shield breaks it's going down... I go out of my way to solo Lancelots in the Leo because I know I can backtrack from 350M, break open his shield, and kill him. I would say Ancile Leo has a very different role compared to Ancilots, depending on how it is piloted.
I find Ancilots to be the best for being a bot-magnet that attracts fear from most. It isn't just the statistics but the thought of confronting a Ancilot usually triggers a collective fight or flee response from the enemy. Would most people think the same while confronting a silver bot equipped with a ancile? Probably not from what I have seen while using Leo + Ancile + Aphids.
I would say Ancilots is a form of psychological warfare since it attracts every damn bot within 600 meters. It gives opportunity for your team to seize the victory while everybody is so focused in bringing down the big, scary, & regenerating premium bot that threatens the moral fiber of red's society.
This is a common tactic that is often used in Warhammer 40k, Once someone brings out a giant Carnifex (40k's equilavent to ancilot) Everybody will want to 「fluffernutter」ing destroy the carnifex since it is big and scary looking which threatens the opponent's chances at a victory. The distracting Carnifex will attract the attention away from valuable tactical units which will WIN the objective while everybody's attention is on the giant 「fluffernutter」ing scary Carnifex.
Of course, this strategy doesn't translate well to a team of pisspoor players (Campers & tankers etc).
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Feb 22, 2017 0:56:52 GMT -5
That 5 seconds is a big deal too because without pressure being put down you're going to be intercepted in a heavy bot. When I run my Ancile Lance, I try to stagger my Tarans for this reason... some periods of only one firing but positive is a lot of players' nerve gets broken by constant pounding of the Tarans. Then they will back off instead of double or triple teaming me at the same time. |
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Post by Demosthenes on Feb 24, 2017 6:07:13 GMT -5
I have been seeing a lot of Ancile Lances. Scary at first. If there are no fellow blues around to quickly gang up on it I find going round it and doing something else a very effective strategy.
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Post by [apotheosis] on Feb 24, 2017 6:11:32 GMT -5
I recently started to pilot an ancile lance. Still not sure if I like it better than the thunder. I seem to get taken down just fine, so slow lol. I am likely to take more than one red down with me tho.
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 24, 2017 9:03:09 GMT -5
The new rage are the Lances with Anciles. Who are these "Space Rich" punks with 6.5k Au to burn? Some of us don't even have our 5th hanger bay. -_- Gold accumulates over time. Assuming you don't waste it on upgrades or something, it's not difficult to make 80 gold a day by just doing daily tasks and playing a bit. So it takes 2 months to get that gold, less if you spend a bit of pocket money on the game. |
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Post by osang on Feb 24, 2017 9:43:32 GMT -5
I have been seeing a lot of Ancile Lances. Scary at first. If there are no fellow blues around to quickly gang up on it I find going round it and doing something else a very effective strategy. You will tremble in fear when you encountered this Ancilot. My ultimate juggernaut and beacon capper...  ...and harmless. |
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Post by gnarlybeast on Feb 24, 2017 10:12:59 GMT -5
I have been seeing a lot of Ancile Lances. Scary at first. If there are no fellow blues around to quickly gang up on it I find going round it and doing something else a very effective strategy. You will tremble in fear when you encountered this Ancilot. My ultimate juggernaut and beacon capper... ...and harmless. |
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Post by gnarlybeast on Feb 24, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
I have been seeing a lot of Ancile Lances. Scary at first. If there are no fellow blues around to quickly gang up on it I find going round it and doing something else a very effective strategy. You will tremble in fear when you encountered this Ancilot. My ultimate juggernaut and beacon capper... ...and harmless. Awww, kinda cute with big ears and a funny hat. |
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Post by cypho on Feb 24, 2017 10:27:11 GMT -5
RightOn , I think you are on to something. I recall someone (and I apologize for not remembering who to give credit to) described Leo as a 150 HP bot with a 76k 360 degree physical shield against everything. I liked that analogy as it made me think about Leo in a different light. Magnum fires twice per second at 1269 per shot (level 8), while the same level 8 taran deals 1524 and fires 32 times in 10 seconds before reload. One Taran at level 8 deals 48,768 in 10s. One magnum deals 25,380. So level 8 Ancilot deals 97,536 in 10 seconds, while Leo with three level 8 mags dishes 76,140. But then Leo keeps firing for 5 second while Tarans reload on Ancilot. I've often pondered something similar - if a physical shield had a separate health bar so you could see it depleting as it took hits (same as an energy shield), would users of shieldbots still happily stand in the open and take fire? Likewise, would the attacker (assuming not using rockets) still fee like the attack is futile? I think not. It's like the shield gives an illusion of invincibility where, because the owner can't see the damage being done, they pretend/forget that it is happening. Either that or they just consider the shield expendable and are happy to throw away their advantage cheaply - which is crazy really, because it doesn't regenerate like an energy shield does! |
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Post by [AurS]DPhill on Feb 24, 2017 12:54:10 GMT -5
I think loldongs is right. I use a ancilot all the time. It is a magnet for the opposition. Fighting almost any 2 well equipped bots will kill me but almost the entire team will come for me. It allows my teammates to move into position.
I also love it if the battlefield has a lot of aphids on it. It's very strong against aphid bots although with the shield regeneration time change it isn't quite as good as it was against them.
The devs buffed the ancile to give a fighting chance against the TT fury's. It can work sometimes. It's nice to have 2 options for the top of a lancelot.
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Post by mechtout on Feb 24, 2017 13:08:48 GMT -5
Thunder Orkan Lance will eat up an Ancelot. I usually avoid one on ones with a thunder lance if I'm in a Ancelot.
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Post by [AurS]DPhill on Feb 24, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -5
Thunder Orkan Lance will eat up an Ancelot. I usually avoid one on ones with a thunder lance if I'm in a Ancelot. And a DB Griff will do the same to the thunder orkan lancelot. I have all 3 in my hanger ? |
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Post by miatahead on Feb 24, 2017 13:29:12 GMT -5
Since Lance starts to take damage after one shield is blown off, the better Leo hp comparison should be 170+102 = 272k compared to 226k. But that is only from the front. I find that if you are in the right bot, an Ancilot strutting around in the open is far from invincible. If you can't kill it, you need to brush up your game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:33:34 GMT -5
Ancile Lancelots are snacks for me. You must learn how to force them to act cocky and find a way to get inside their shield. If you had experiences in fighting tri-mag gepards with thunder bots, it is the same strategy. From earlier this am:  Edit: Btw, I ?firetruck?ing enjoy my Hellfire(?) Rhino. Props to the poster here who encouraged me to give it a try after I said I wasn't impressed with the Rhinos I'd seen in play. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:38:55 GMT -5
@kingkull, nice handywork. Are those his legs way over yonder?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:43:20 GMT -5
@kingkull , nice handywork. Are those his legs way over yonder? That would've been wicked, but no... that was the Gareth he was coming to help, but ended up sharing the same fate. War Robots 101 - You need to know what is hiding behind that wall before you come charging in shields up and guns blazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:52:39 GMT -5
War Robots 101 - You need to know what is hiding behind that wall before you come charging in shields up and guns blazing. I haven't yet seen bots get cut in half. Was thinking maybe they had installed some new animation. Anyway, they must not have been regular forum browsers. Otherwise they would have known the corollary to War Robots 101 - if the name @kingkull appears in red above the wall you are charging towards, best to tread carefully. |
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Post by amoebastudios on Feb 24, 2017 20:36:17 GMT -5
've often pondered something similar - if a physical shield had a separate health bar so you could see it depleting as it took hits (same as an energy shield), would users of shieldbots still happily stand in the open and take fire? Likewise, would the attacker (assuming not using rockets) still fee like the attack is futile? I think not. It's like the shield gives an illusion of invincibility where, because the owner can't see the damage being done, they pretend/forget that it is happening. Either that or they just consider the shield expendable and are happy to throw away their advantage cheaply - which is crazy really, because it doesn't regenerate like an energy shield does! I think you make a very good point here. People break off attacks on shield bots all the time because they feel it's futile and they don't want to die without any noticeable contribution. Shield bot players also tend to play more aggressive due to the illusion, and a lot of times that aggression actually produce good results. In conclusion, the shields have intangible benefits. |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 24, 2017 22:51:58 GMT -5
That 5 seconds is a big deal too because without pressure being put down you're going to be intercepted in a heavy bot. Until you hit rush, and go to cover. So yeah it is a big deal, if played properly. Leos health buff helps cover some of the weaknesses it's builds have. Pretty balanced now I think, altho the lances shields are a bit too low now I feel. |
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