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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 15:50:28 GMT -5
Hello guys! So today I've run into this question as I have a Lancelot with Thunder/Tarans all at lv 12, and I was thinking if it is a good idea to buy another one to put Orkans on it. So far what my gameplay tells me with this bot is that he is very squishy even though is a heavy bot, but I can often kill 3 or 4 other bots with it before dying. What are your thoughs about Lancelot? Is it the best knife fighter in the game or Griffin is better, knowing that he has jump over Lancelot's rush? This is my current hangar, I know the other bots are not balanced but I was forcing some upgrades to farm best pilot of the hour/day/week/month. (I'm kinda new, 2 months playing)  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 15:52:25 GMT -5
He is squishy?
Put an ancile on it, and put the thunder on the Leo.
Makes a whole lot of difference.
Only been playing 2 months, and have 12/12s AND 4.5K victories AND 1.6M highest damage? How much do you play?
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 15:57:30 GMT -5
He is squishy? Put an ancile on it, and put the thunder on the Leo. Makes a whole lot of difference. Only been playing 2 months, and have 12/12s AND 4.5K victories AND 1.6M highest damage? How much do you play? I'm Brazilian and I work on my Youtube channel with over 70K subs, so I kinda have too much free time lol. I did only expend 10 bucks on the first promo that you get the drone, but I'm playing too much really. I said "Squishy" because reds I play tend to run full explosive hangar builds, pisses me off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:01:54 GMT -5
He is squishy? Put an ancile on it, and put the thunder on the Leo. Makes a whole lot of difference. Only been playing 2 months, and have 12/12s AND 4.5K victories AND 1.6M highest damage? How much do you play? I'm Brazilian and I work on my Youtube channel with over 70K subs, so I kinda have too much free time lol. I did only expend 10 bucks on the first promo that you get the drone, but I'm playing too much really. I said "Squishy" because reds I play tend to run full explosive hangar builds, pisses me off. No wonder. Youtubers have an easy life :-) I'd make your hangar this: Taran Magnum Galahad Ancile Taran Lancelot Orkan Aphid Griffin Pin Tulumbas Griffin (try a Trident Carnage or Fury) Thunder Aphid / Magnum / Pinata Leo. Your ancile on the lancelot will effectively absorb 70% of a full death button. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:03:12 GMT -5
I think every bot can be countered by another setup, and when you run into that counter, it will make your bot feel squishy. But no, Lances are pretty tough in comparison with everything else. I think the Lance's main issue are (1) they tend to attract a lot of fire as people will key on you as one of the bigger red threats, and (2) Lance is slow - on the big maps, it can minutes of marching just to get to the 60 seconds of action.
For my tastes, one Lance is enough, as running multiples really brings down your overall speed. You have a Galahad, which is great. Have you explored Carnage yet? Both the Thunder version for CQC, and the Trident or Zeus versions for mid range are lots of fun.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 16:06:22 GMT -5
I'm Brazilian and I work on my Youtube channel with over 70K subs, so I kinda have too much free time lol. I did only expend 10 bucks on the first promo that you get the drone, but I'm playing too much really. I said "Squishy" because reds I play tend to run full explosive hangar builds, pisses me off. No wonder. Youtubers have an easy life :-) I'd make your hangar this: Taran Magnum Galahad Ancile Taran Lancelot Orkan Aphid Griffin Pin Tulumbas Griffin (try a Trident Carnage or Fury) Thunder Aphid / Magnum / Pinata Leo. Your ancile on the lancelot will effectively absorb 70% of a full death button. Not too easy of a life but I earn enough to have time to do my stuff haha. I have 6K gold in my account, TT Fury already in my plans BUT I'm on the dilema of another Lance. Should I get the Fury first? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:09:40 GMT -5
Try a Trident Pin Natasha first. If you like it, then buy a Trident Fury.
Personally, I would never run more than 2 Lancelots because they are just to damn slow. A Fury can last for 6 minutes if properly supported by knifers, while a Lancelot is the knifer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:13:00 GMT -5
1 w/orks, 1/tarans
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 16:13:51 GMT -5
I think every bot can be countered by another setup, and when you run into that counter, it will make your bot feel squishy. But no, Lances are pretty tough in comparison with everything else. I think the Lance's main issue are (1) they tend to attract a lot of fire as people will key on you as one of the bigger red threats, and (2) Lance is slow - on the big maps, it can minutes of marching just to get to the 60 seconds of action. For my tastes, one Lance is enough, as running multiples really brings down your overall speed. You have a Galahad, which is great. Have you explored Carnage yet? Both the Thunder version for CQC, and the Trident or Zeus versions for mid range are lots of fun. I agree with your thoughs about Lance, even more with the "center of attention" thing you said haha My Workshop is still LV 12, I have 18K WP as I'm saving for 3 Tridents. I really like Lance's design and playstyle so thats why I was considering another one (I'll take the Leo out if I do get another one) but it seems that the Fury should be my first priority as I dont have a very good mid range in my hangar. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 21, 2017 16:18:48 GMT -5
I have a clan member that ran 2 for a while, and still may be doing so. You could have one with a thunder and one with an Ancile, if you want versatility for those lumbering behemoths. But, basically, it's a preference thing. If I speak from my own feelings? I say another Lance. But that is strictly because I loathe the Fury due to what the meta has become. If you want to do a lot of damage without too much effort, the Fury can do it.... but you will have joined the Darkside. I hope you get a cookie with that black soul...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:18:59 GMT -5
but it seems that the Fury should be my first priority as I dont have a very good mid range in my hangar. If you have your heart set on a Fury, then by all means, go for it. But I think you may want to try the suggestion by @darkangel12s first. Drive the cheaper Tasha for a few games. When I did this, I found the lumbering nature of Tasha (and thus, Fury) is just not for me in a mid-ranger, and that saved me the 5k AU I might have spent on a bot I would not have enjoyed. EDIT - also what ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 said. Fury drivers may be bad people. #rumorstarter |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 21, 2017 16:21:53 GMT -5
Ancilots are like Doritos. One chip is not enough.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 21, 2017 18:01:18 GMT -5
I've been looking at Ancile Taran Lancelot. I could buy it today. Thing is, I use Ancile Magnum Leo and I have my comparison...
The Leo fires endlessly, whereas the Lancelot barely beats the DPS of trimag before reload.
The Leo got a health buff to 226k, that's 56k more than Lancelot. What did Lancelot get in return? A 10% shield debuff to 102k a piece.
Once a piece of shield breaks it's going down... I go out of my way to solo Lancelots in the Leo because I know I can backtrack from 350M, break open his shield, and kill him.
This was supposed to go to the Ancile Lance topic but I'll leave it here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:03:23 GMT -5
I thought 2 Tarans had more DPS than 3 magnums.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 21, 2017 18:03:59 GMT -5
I thought 2 Tarans had more DPS than 3 magnums. Not by much |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:04:34 GMT -5
I thought 2 Tarans had more DPS than 3 magnums. Not by much I find all Leos to be snacks, ancile or not. |
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Post by RightOn on Feb 21, 2017 18:07:38 GMT -5
I find all Leos to be snacks, ancile or not. All about the pilot. I backtrack Thunders, I cornershoot PDB's, and I confront DB's with great enthusiasm. Right now I could get a larger killstreak in my Leo than my TnA Griffin. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:14:25 GMT -5
Whatever suits your boat.
I have not been killed by an Ancile Leo yet.
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Post by petevb on Feb 21, 2017 18:15:14 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. 4452 victories x 66% wins = 6750 games x 10 minutes = 1125 hours playing = 93 days playing 12 hours a day... But you got there in 2 months? Did you take over someone's account?
Terrific scores for your weapons level as well, at least on iOS. I've pulled similar max damage, wins, etc, but only with maxed bots.
That said...
You could do a 2nd Lance in place of the Leo. I'd probably go Ancilot if you went that route. The downside is that it's a bit slow, and the lance is in general vulnerable to TT Fury and DB Griffin (part of the reason I'd go with the Ancilot).
If it were me I'd likely get a Fury instead, 3x Tridents. Then you can use the Griffin as a brawler, likely Aphids and Orkan. Either route will work, but the TT Fury is still very strong on open maps.
Edit- I see lots of this has already been covered. Too much free time indeed... Lol.
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Post by petevb on Feb 21, 2017 18:47:38 GMT -5
For those that haven't done the math:
2x maxed Taran kill a maxed Leo in 20.1 seconds- 9.6 seconds of firing, 4.8 seconds pause to reload, 5.7 seconds more firing.
3x maxed magnum kill a Lancelot in 27.2 seconds- 10.2 seconds to burn through the shield, 17 more seconds to kill the bot.
Head to head (no corner shooting, etc) the Lancelot walks away from the battle with 71k hitpoints left.
Keep in mind they nerfed the mag a while back, dropping it from 2 rounds per second down to 1.8.
Just for comparison, a maxed Plasma Galahad would kill a Leo in 18.6 seconds. As the Leo takes 19.9 seconds to break the Galahad's shield the Galahad would take zero damage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 19:26:19 GMT -5
For those that haven't done the math: 2x maxed Taran kill an maxed Leo in 20.1 seconds- 9.6 seconds of firing, 4.8 seconds pause to reload, 5.7 seconds more firing. 3x maxed magnum kill a Lancelot in 27.2 seconds- 10.2 seconds to burn through the shield, 17 more seconds to kill the bot. Head to head (no corner shooting, etc) the Lancelot walks away from the battle with 71k hitpoints left. Keep in mind they nerfed the mag a while back, dropping it from 2 rounds per second down to 1.8. Just for comparison, a maxed Plasma Galahad would kills a Leo in 18.6 seconds. As the Leo takes 19.9 seconds to break the Galahad's shield the Galahad would take zero damage. Good info, thanks. |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 19:35:55 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. 4452 victories x 66% wins = 6750 games x 10 minutes = 1125 hours playing = 93 days playing 12 hours a day... But you got there in 2 months? Did you take over someone's account? Terrific scores for your weapons level as well, at least on iOS. I've pulled similar max damage, wins, etc, but only with maxed bots. That said... You could do a 2nd Lance in place of the Leo. I'd probably go Ancilot if you went that route. The downside is that it's a bit slow, and the lance is in general vulnerable to TT Fury and DB Griffin (part of the reason I'd go with the Ancilot). If it were me I'd likely get a Fury instead, 3x Tridents. Then you can use the Griffin as a brawler, likely Aphids and Orkan. Either route will work, but the TT Fury is still very strong on open maps. Edit- I see lots of this has already been covered. Too much free time indeed... Lol. Uuuh, gotta say that I clubbed alot too, so take like 2K matches to be only 2/3 minutes of duration lol. I'm playing at least 8 hours a day. 66% wins was from uuh... tanking some games too... This is a print from my account a little more than a month ago, I always printed it in case something wrong happend, since I'm playing on Memu.  |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 21, 2017 19:43:38 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. 4452 victories x 66% wins = 6750 games x 10 minutes = 1125 hours playing = 93 days playing 12 hours a day... But you got there in 2 months? Did you take over someone's account? Terrific scores for your weapons level as well, at least on iOS. I've pulled similar max damage, wins, etc, but only with maxed bots. That said... You could do a 2nd Lance in place of the Leo. I'd probably go Ancilot if you went that route. The downside is that it's a bit slow, and the lance is in general vulnerable to TT Fury and DB Griffin (part of the reason I'd go with the Ancilot). If it were me I'd likely get a Fury instead, 3x Tridents. Then you can use the Griffin as a brawler, likely Aphids and Orkan. Either route will work, but the TT Fury is still very strong on open maps. Edit- I see lots of this has already been covered. Too much free time indeed... Lol. Uuuh, gotta say that I clubbed alot too, so take like 2K matches to be only 2/3 minutes of duration lol. I'm playing at least 8 hours a day. 66% wins was from uuh... tanking some games too... Please, dont kill me guys. * Throws mass amounts of rotten tomatoes at ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ * No killing, as you are honest in your debauchery... |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 19:48:21 GMT -5
Uuuh, gotta say that I clubbed alot too, so take like 2K matches to be only 2/3 minutes of duration lol. I'm playing at least 8 hours a day. 66% wins was from uuh... tanking some games too... Please, dont kill me guys. * Throws mass amounts of rotten tomatoes at ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ * No killing, as you are honest in your debauchery... I will redeem myself from my sins and not buy a Fury, I promisse. |
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Post by petevb on Feb 21, 2017 20:08:35 GMT -5
I will redeem myself from my sins and not buy a Fury, I promisse. The Fury isn't all that bad, especially these days with all the energy shields. At least that's what I tell myself. Two, on the other hand, could require a visit to the confessional...  |
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Feb 21, 2017 20:14:41 GMT -5
I will redeem myself from my sins and not buy a Fury, I promisse. The Fury isn't all that bad, especially these days with all the energy shields. At least that's what I tell myself. Two, on the other hand, could require a visit to the confessional... Ouch. If the game had like 100+ bots then they could add a ban feature, so that we can ban stuff from ranked games just like LoL. Would prevent being demolished by TTF teams, although that never happened to me yet. |
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