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Post by ScytheRuvi on Aug 22, 2018 6:13:27 GMT -5
Hey guys. Just wanted to know what you prefer for the heavy slot on inquisitor now that the taran/redeemer bug is fixed. Still with ember or is redeemer more preferred now?
FYI I'm running redeemer tarans at level 8. Just got an ember (new economy) and wondering if it's worth using all that silver to upgrade it, considering the bug fix for redeemer
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 22, 2018 6:48:31 GMT -5
If you already have the Redeemer leveled up, then maybe focus on that instead of the Ember. I personally prefered the Ember over Redeemer, but that's just personal preference and my tendency to spray my targets. If you're accurate and patient with the Redeemer, then stick with it.
I have noticed a higher percentage of hit markers when I run my Taran Haechi. But damage is still iffy, but that could also be due to my "spray and pray" playstyle.
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Post by OrangeMegatron on Aug 22, 2018 7:10:32 GMT -5
Hey guys. Just wanted to know what you prefer for the heavy slot on inquisitor now that the taran/redeemer bug is fixed. Still with ember or is redeemer more preferred now? FYI I'm running redeemer tarans at level 8. Just got an ember (new economy) and wondering if it's worth using all that silver to upgrade it, considering the bug fix for redeemer I think you are looking exactly for this video  |
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Aug 22, 2018 7:19:51 GMT -5
If you have a decent level ember it would be better when encountering random bot builds. As of now, I run the redeemer but I pick which bots I want to ambush based on the build. ie. physically shielded bots are a no no, unless rear shooting it. Ancile bots & squishy bots in general are the main ambush targets with plasma build.
Sorry, just noticed the ember was new. Yes ember is worth leveling... but your plasma build is just fine following the above advice. In the future you may switch to the ember, or you may find another bot to use the ember on. It really is a all around/every bot damage weapon, it's only drawbacks being slow target tracking and short range.
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Post by HarvesterOsorrow on Aug 22, 2018 7:51:44 GMT -5
If you’re doing tarans the redeemer is a better match as they aim the same. Ember hits will be Taran misses and vice vs most of he time. Scourge mates much better with ember as it never misses while you focus on the requirements for ember hits
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 22, 2018 8:19:03 GMT -5
I, also, prefer Redeemer on Taran builds and Ember on Scourge builds.
As to whether or not you should upgrade your Ember... if not on the Inquisitor, where could you put it?
Do you have a Lance?
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Post by ystava on Aug 22, 2018 9:11:23 GMT -5
Hey guys. Just wanted to know what you prefer for the heavy slot on inquisitor now that the taran/redeemer bug is fixed. Still with ember or is redeemer more preferred now? FYI I'm running redeemer tarans at level 8. Just got an ember (new economy) and wondering if it's worth using all that silver to upgrade it, considering the bug fix for redeemer Of those 2 weapons I prefer Ember.... I run an Ember/Storm. Inquisitor is my assassin. I usually wind up close to my enemies. Ember shoots around corners. Storm has the same damage output in the first 4 seconds as an Orkan and higher output after that to cover my own retreat. A third one to consider is the Avenger... which outclasses both of those <200m even without being an energy weapon. |
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Post by ScytheRuvi on Aug 22, 2018 10:33:06 GMT -5
I, also, prefer Redeemer on Taran builds and Ember on Scourge builds.
As to whether or not you should upgrade your Ember... if not on the Inquisitor, where could you put it?
Do you have a Lance?
I have a lance at level 9. Taking off the ancile on that so could use the ember there. Otherwise also have an exodus. It's just the new economy stuff is really expensive to upgrade so I dont know if I'd be better off taking my old economy things to at least mk1 level 12. Also I only have 3 scourge which are going on my bulgasari. So maybe I could keep the redeemer on the quiz and go for exodus or ember lance (paired with orks or tarans)? New econ strider also in storage |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 23, 2018 9:09:31 GMT -5
Ember/scourge
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Aug 23, 2018 17:39:56 GMT -5
I, also, prefer Redeemer on Taran builds and Ember on Scourge builds.
As to whether or not you should upgrade your Ember... if not on the Inquisitor, where could you put it?
Do you have a Lance?
I have a lance at level 9. Taking off the ancile on that so could use the ember there. Otherwise also have an exodus. It's just the new economy stuff is really expensive to upgrade so I dont know if I'd be better off taking my old economy things to at least mk1 level 12. Also I only have 3 scourge which are going on my bulgasari. So maybe I could keep the redeemer on the quiz and go for exodus or ember lance (paired with orks or tarans)? New econ strider also in storage Ewwww, no. Ember lances just get out ranged, nearly all bots outrun ember lances. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 18:06:05 GMT -5
Spending the amount of time/silver to get a new economy ember to level 12 when you have an old economy redeemer is a Hard No, Full Stop.
Ember is slightly better in general, but no way is it 170m AG and 2 months better. Let that sink in. That's the time and AG cost to go to Mk1 12. To get to Mk2 12 you'd have to double those amounts! None of this new crap is ever worth it, but especially not if you have a viable replacement.
You can do way better things with those resources than level a single ember. You don't need to shoot slow orange marshmallow flames at people that badly.
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Post by Tin-B-Chai gogogo on Aug 23, 2018 19:39:41 GMT -5
I’m the one who have spent reaources to replace a lvl 10 ember to lvl 10 redeemer from nothing. But have no regrets.
I personally did not like the in-synchronised ember & taran aims, also the uneven projectile speed is driving me crazy that I feel only the ember miss all the time but the only tartan hits if facing those speedy bots.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Aug 24, 2018 6:11:59 GMT -5
I’m the one who have spent reaources to replace a lvl 10 ember to lvl 10 redeemer from nothing. But have no regrets. I personally did not like the in-synchronised ember & taran aims, also the uneven projectile speed is driving me crazy that I feel only the ember miss all the time but the only tartan hits if facing those speedy bots. It is due to the fact you have to lead with the ember because of travel time of the ammo is slow, as compared to the plasma, which is second in speed only to lasers. This is why the aiming of plasma is so dead on. Embers work best with spread weapons like shotguns. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 6:32:04 GMT -5
In short, ember is good against bulg, ineffective against kumi, haechi and spectre.
Redeemer is ineffective against bulg, effective against the other 3 suspects.
The splash on the ember doesnt cut it either imo. If i had to choose, redeemer it would be.
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Post by OrangeMegatron on Aug 24, 2018 6:39:01 GMT -5
I’m the one who have spent reaources to replace a lvl 10 ember to lvl 10 redeemer from nothing. But have no regrets. I personally did not like the in-synchronised ember & taran aims, also the uneven projectile speed is driving me crazy that I feel only the ember miss all the time but the only tartan hits if facing those speedy bots. It is due to the fact you have to lead with the ember because of travel time of the ammo is slow, as compared to the plasma, which is second in speed only to lasers. This is why the aiming of plasma is so dead on. Embers work best with spread weapons like shotguns. Embers work best with Scourges. There is no discussion about it. Sorry |
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Post by OrangeMegatron on Aug 24, 2018 6:50:28 GMT -5
In short, ember is good against bulg, ineffective against kumi, haechi and spectre. Redeemer is ineffective against bulg, effective against the other 3 suspects. The splash on the ember doesnt cut it either imo. If i had to choose, redeemer it would be. You have to predict where enemy bot will be in 1-2 seconds when you are 200-300 m away. OR You can support your team with a steady flow of fire from 300-350 m. Very helpful to flood reds grouped at beacon in KOTH and any narrow space (tunnel in the Moon base, Carrier under deck passages, Dead City streets, etc. OR You can hit almost instantly below 100 m. You should not complain about slow velocity of the Ember flames. This may be a great benefit if used properly. When enemy is following you and he is just behind the corner... you can still move back and keep steady flow of fire from Ember. If enemy wants to get you, then he has to walk in a stream of flames. And he has no Line Of Sight, because you are always just behind the corner... There are many bots which were crippled or killed this way. So as you can see Ember's slow projectile velocity is not a drawback... it can be a huge benefit Just try to use it. And last thing - when someone corner shoots me... then Ember will get him - Taran/Scourge will not. Ember flame has some splash radius |
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Post by Loganspawn on Aug 24, 2018 12:40:33 GMT -5
Ran them both at the same time and had no overall preference. Now my ember is on my Strider and one Inqiz has Exodus and the other Redeemer. To me they all work if you work them!
If Red Bulqs are your problem go Ember if its mainly stealth bots and the likes go Redeemer. This is the best I can give you.
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