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Post by T34 on Jun 18, 2018 18:27:39 GMT -5
Playing too much? If you do play too much you could be suffering from a disease. Called gaming disorder as recently defined by the World Health Organisation. www.who.int/features/qa/gaming-disorder/en/
I wonder how much game play people think constitutes a disorder in relation to WRs. At face value where would you draw the line?
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Post by windcaster on Jun 18, 2018 18:50:19 GMT -5
Honestly.. it is a thing.. Remember when world of war-craft came out? there was people staying up for days loosing touch with reality and going nuts.
It earned it's name warcrack.
I never played WoW, But I did play another MMORPG and I would easily spend 8-12 hours as day playing it.. those types of games will absorb you and feel like a 2nd home.
Not just the amount of work/grind that those games dish out things can be very social playing with the same people day in and day out.
I'd stay logged in and eat my meals there.. hang out and do nothing in town talking and trading with people, It's like you're escaping your reality.. much like drugs and alocohol.
I've gotten away from it, haven't played like that in many years.. I can say I still miss it sometimes.. may even go back to it some day but never like it once was.. it's unhealthy.. it really can become an addiction.
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Post by mechtout on Jun 18, 2018 19:09:12 GMT -5
"The symptoms listed by WHO echo symptoms for other addictive or compulsive disorders. They include: a lack of control over gaming; giving gaming precedence over other life interests and daily activities; and continuation or escalation of gaming despite negative consequences."
I think over 1500 cups would put you here.
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Post by BossieBos on Jun 18, 2018 19:24:42 GMT -5
I never played WoW, But I did play another MMORPG and I would easily spend 8-12 hours as day playing it.. those types of games will absorb you and feel like a 2nd home. Not just the amount of work/grind that those games dish out things can be very social playing with the same people day in and day out. I'd stay logged in and eat my meals there.. hang out and do nothing in town talking and trading with people, It's like you're escaping your reality.. much like drugs and alocohol. I've gotten away from it, haven't played like that in many years.. I can say I still miss it sometimes.. may even go back to it some day but never like it once was.. it's unhealthy.. it really can become an addiction. Been there, done that. Different game, same interaction. In a sense itâs kind of sad people all tend to leave a certain game and move on to a different one after a while. And so it sort of parallels real life, with everyone from high school going their individual ways, with an occaissional friend or two, with whom you maintain contact with. Still have occaissional contact with some, but not so much. Would still call them friends (online or in real life, idc... if Iâm enjoying the company and share a mutual interest, Iâd call that a friend), though. Thatâs what intense hourly daily interaction does, it creates a form of brotherhood, I guess. Especially when you meet up and perform quests/tasks/events/whathaveyou or PvP day in, day out. Now... if youâre so obsessed with a game that all you live on is energy drinks and chips, shower once a week, donât know what your mom looks like anymore, and take a 「dookie」 in a bucket thatâs positioned at an armâs length reach and only empty when filled to the rim... youâre addicted and need to seek professional help.  |
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 18, 2018 20:00:54 GMT -5
I wish I did...I need more silver. ?
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Post by RightOn on Jun 18, 2018 20:10:29 GMT -5
Honestly.. it is a thing.. Remember when world of war-craft came out? there was people staying up for days loosing touch with reality and going nuts. It earned it's name warcrack. I never played WoW, But I did play another MMORPG and I would easily spend 8-12 hours as day playing it.. those types of games will absorb you and feel like a 2nd home. Not just the amount of work/grind that those games dish out things can be very social playing with the same people day in and day out. I'd stay logged in and eat my meals there.. hang out and do nothing in town talking and trading with people, It's like you're escaping your reality.. much like drugs and alocohol. I've gotten away from it, haven't played like that in many years.. I can say I still miss it sometimes.. may even go back to it some day but never like it once was.. it's unhealthy.. it really can become an addiction. In 2 years, I had 165 days logged in FFXI. |
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Post by T34 on Jun 18, 2018 20:47:00 GMT -5
Interestingly, say 10 cups per round and a round takes 10 mins (game+restarts+BM spins….) than that means
1000 cups = 2:20 hours game play per day
2000 cups = 4:40 hours game play per day
3000 cups = 7 hours game play per day
3000 cups requires more effort than would be asked from an elite Olympic athlete or professional sports person. Similar in time requirement as a full time job.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Jun 18, 2018 20:53:10 GMT -5
The number of cups depends on how much damage you do. I believe it’s 100k damage = 1 cup. So a silver pilot will have to play much more than a champion for equal cups.
The figure I saw is 20 hours a week is considered addiction, or just under 3 hours a day. My average damage is about 600k (6 cups) and at 8 battles an hour I’d earn about 144 cups in 3 hours, or 1008 a week.
Whatever league/damage-average, about 24 battles a day meets the WHO’s criteria.
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Post by >bobby_digital< on Jun 18, 2018 21:57:41 GMT -5
Honestly.. it is a thing.. Remember when world of war-craft came out? there was people staying up for days loosing touch with reality and going nuts.  |
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Post by aceboy44 on Jun 18, 2018 22:53:05 GMT -5
Honestly.. it is a thing.. Remember when world of war-craft came out? there was people staying up for days loosing touch with reality and going nuts. It earned it's name warcrack. I never played WoW, But I did play another MMORPG and I would easily spend 8-12 hours as day playing it.. those types of games will absorb you and feel like a 2nd home. Not just the amount of work/grind that those games dish out things can be very social playing with the same people day in and day out. I'd stay logged in and eat my meals there.. hang out and do nothing in town talking and trading with people, It's like you're escaping your reality.. much like drugs and alocohol. I've gotten away from it, haven't played like that in many years.. I can say I still miss it sometimes.. may even go back to it some day but never like it once was.. it's unhealthy.. it really can become an addiction. I miss War Craft 3 (and I was one of those players who stayed up all night to play it as opposed to sleeping  ) Are they making War Craft 4? Or is the game unfortunately dead? DOTA came out of WC3 ya know  |
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Post by T34 on Jun 18, 2018 23:47:54 GMT -5
The number of cups depends on how much damage you do. I believe it’s 100k damage = 1 cup. So a silver pilot will have to play much more than a champion for equal cups. The figure I saw is 20 hours a week is considered addiction, or just under 3 hours a day. My average damage is about 600k (6 cups) and at 8 battles an hour I’d earn about 144 cups in 3 hours, or 1008 a week. Whatever league/damage-average, about 24 battles a day meets the WHO’s criteria. Yeah, 100K(rounded) = 1 cup. For simplicity I mentioned 1 battle = 10 cups. 24 battles is interesting. It may be an issue for someone with a family and kids but I wonder if so for a single person who doesn't even have to work for a living.
By the way, last time I saw you in battle you had over a mil ;-)
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Post by [CK]erazor on Jun 19, 2018 0:00:08 GMT -5
Honestly.. it is a thing.. Remember when world of war-craft came out? there was people staying up for days loosing touch with reality and going nuts. It earned it's name warcrack. I never played WoW, But I did play another MMORPG and I would easily spend 8-12 hours as day playing it.. those types of games will absorb you and feel like a 2nd home. Not just the amount of work/grind that those games dish out things can be very social playing with the same people day in and day out. I'd stay logged in and eat my meals there.. hang out and do nothing in town talking and trading with people, It's like you're escaping your reality.. much like drugs and alocohol. I've gotten away from it, haven't played like that in many years.. I can say I still miss it sometimes.. may even go back to it some day but never like it once was.. it's unhealthy.. it really can become an addiction. I miss War Craft 3 (and I was one of those players who stayed up all night to play it as opposed to sleeping ) Are they making War Craft 4? Or is the game unfortunately dead? DOTA came out of WC3 ya know Hello there! I played WC1/2/3 and, now after all these years highly doubt, that there will be, ever, a WC4. It's like Half Life 3, which probably also never will surface. |
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Post by leavemealone on Jun 19, 2018 0:26:11 GMT -5
Playing too much? If you do play too much you could be suffering from a disease. Called gaming disorder as recently defined by the World Health Organisation. www.who.int/features/qa/gaming-disorder/en/
I wonder how much game play people think constitutes a disorder in relation to WRs. At face value where would you draw the line?
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Post by taniel on Jun 19, 2018 0:54:34 GMT -5
It used to be 1000-1200 (with considerably weaker hangar), now it's between 400 and 600. But I feel it's still too much...
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 19, 2018 3:12:09 GMT -5
Hard to say what constitutes an addiction. But I suppose if your health, relationships, and job/grades start to suffer then it is too much. For me I play an hour or less daily (when the family's asleep). Any more than that would be excessive I think (but that's just me). Some people though may be physically challenged and have more time on their hands; others may suffer from mental health conditions, which may make interacting with others difficult--hence they play more.
Gaming addictions are a very real thing but I think (I'm an engineer, not a doctor) it's often a co-morbidity of some other condition. For instance people with ADHD quite easily gravitate toward video games because they are intensely satisfying (massive dopamine rush and instant gratification, etc).
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Post by osang on Jun 19, 2018 5:07:36 GMT -5
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Post by getdead151 on Jun 19, 2018 5:08:46 GMT -5
I'll never stop...
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Post by ᒪΛᏟIΛ on Jun 19, 2018 5:28:46 GMT -5
I used to play 1000~ when I was in a clan. Now I play 100~
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Post by benveg on Jun 19, 2018 5:54:02 GMT -5
All fun things are addicting (games, socials, gambling, drugs, girls, money...) If u start raging, stressing, yelling, hoarding, losing sleep/health... better stop Just... play for fun!  |
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Post by BB on Jun 19, 2018 6:04:38 GMT -5
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Post by Poopface on Jun 19, 2018 9:35:54 GMT -5
I don't buy it. They just want to put a label on something.
It's very simple. If you allow yourself to get too far into something or have an addictive personality, you get hooked. It's not specific to gaming. It could be tied to anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 11:30:46 GMT -5
At this moment its 520 or so but its gonna be less than 500. Probably 300-450.
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Post by lewis on Jun 19, 2018 12:32:21 GMT -5
I don't buy it. They just want to put a label on something.
It's very simple. If you allow yourself to get too far into something or have an addictive personality, you get hooked. It's not specific to gaming. It could be tied to anything.
A very astute observation Mr. Face This is mostly a researcher looking to make a name for himself by putting a new entry into the ICD. It’s possible to become addicted to just about anything. It’s not unusual for people to watch 4 hours of TV a day. Are they addicted and suffering from a disorder? Many other activities, such as knitting, reading, creating various forms of art can take many hours a day. Is Aunt Mabel suffering from a disorder because she makes the family quilts for Christmas over the course of months? Yes, I’m familiar with warcrack, previously know as evercrack, which actually had support groups. I suppose if it was 50 years ago we would be talking about comic book addiction. Yes it does happen, but it’s not the pandemic it is often made out to be. If anything, there should be a definition of cell phone addiction. I rarely see people play games, but you can’t throw a stick without hitting someone on a phone. |
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Post by Poopface on Jun 19, 2018 12:50:27 GMT -5
you can’t throw a stick without hitting someone on a phone. QFT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 12:57:39 GMT -5
I don't buy it. They just want to put a label on something.
It's very simple. If you allow yourself to get too far into something or have an addictive personality, you get hooked. It's not specific to gaming. It could be tied to anything.
Me, I don't have addictions, oh wait...
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Post by Zero Jee on Jun 19, 2018 13:26:02 GMT -5
Addiciton comes in many forms. Gaming is one of them. Developers also know this, and employ tactics to ramp up that addicition. They even hire psychologists to help them refine the process and appeal to us on a base, almost subconscious level.
For starters, we're talking about gamers, a population largely consisting of folks who feel like societal outcasts. People who are interested in escaping reality.
Add to this type of vulnerability:
-a system of tasks and rewards, and leader board to give a sense of accomplishment
-some flashing lights to fire up the synapses and stimulate the adrenal glands
-a steady stream of new bells and whistles to keep folks comming back
-a place for the community to remain encapsulated to justify their anti-social behavior
-addictive or cumpulsive personality types
And viola! Gaming companies make truck loads of cash banking on the sickness of humanity.
. . . and yes, I am an addict of many sorts. I have spent rent money for gaming in the past. I am much better now in terms of realization, and know that I have to be careful not just with gaming, but escapism in general.
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Post by T34 on Jun 19, 2018 18:33:44 GMT -5
I don't buy it. They just want to put a label on something.
It's very simple. If you allow yourself to get too far into something or have an addictive personality, you get hooked. It's not specific to gaming. It could be tied to anything.
How can you just dismiss and look past all the scientific evidence, associated processes and substantial parts of the mental health profession (which will endorse it in probably in every single country)? A very weak reason to rebut the core business of a prestigious global organisation with a great track record and positive real life outcomes that are well regarded. And yes, gaming isn’t the only addictive “thing”. It is addictive like drugs, smoking and so on. But that is not a reason for not helping people when they are beyond helping themselves. Heck, why help a rock climber with a broken leg. He knew what he was getting into. Remember, game devs like pix deliberately target the weaknesses of people to make a profit. War Robots is riddled with Pavlovian addiction mechanisms that are proven to have a strong effect on the brain. |
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Post by T34 on Jun 19, 2018 18:42:29 GMT -5
I don't buy it. They just want to put a label on something.
It's very simple. If you allow yourself to get too far into something or have an addictive personality, you get hooked. It's not specific to gaming. It could be tied to anything.
A very astute observation Mr. Face This is mostly a researcher looking to make a name for himself by putting a new entry into the ICD. It’s possible to become addicted to just about anything. It’s not unusual for people to watch 4 hours of TV a day. Are they addicted and suffering from a disorder? Many other activities, such as knitting, reading, creating various forms of art can take many hours a day. Is Aunt Mabel suffering from a disorder because she makes the family quilts for Christmas over the course of months? Yes, I’m familiar with warcrack, previously know as evercrack, which actually had support groups. I suppose if it was 50 years ago we would be talking about comic book addiction. Yes it does happen, but it’s not the pandemic it is often made out to be. If anything, there should be a definition of cell phone addiction. I rarely see people play games, but you can’t throw a stick without hitting someone on a phone. Conspiracy theory logic. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 19, 2018 21:52:31 GMT -5
Lol. I'm not sure if knitting can really be considered an addiction--but whatever blows your hair back, I guess.
In general, addiction's about being hooked on the rewards of an activity--dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, or endorphins. Any activity (healthy or otherwise) can negatively impact your life if done in excess and at the expense of your health, relationships, jobs, etc--yup, Aunt Mabel may need an intervention. :-)
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