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Post by ignacij on Jun 10, 2018 17:46:33 GMT -5
Anyone here who use mk2 gust pursurer in champion?
Im asking becouse need advice if pursurer and gusts are worth to be upgraded to mk2. My pursuer is mk1 l12 and i have feeling its just free kill in champion or im really bad pilot. Biggest problem is that stealth isnt really so usefull like it suppose to be. So if we have mk2 pursuer pilot here need advice what to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:23:25 GMT -5
No, but I've seen a few (in M3/Champions League).
If you have good mojo with Gust-Stalker, this should be right up your alley.
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Post by darkknight on Jun 10, 2018 22:55:20 GMT -5
I have faced it many times, and yes that bot can be killed easily when stealth ends. However its stealth duration is good enough to kill red and hide. Biggest advantage is that you can kill spectre while it is in stealth and same goes for inquy. Just make sure to hide before stealth ends ad you can do lot of damage. Play it like stalker. Btw what i said was purely based on FFA, i rarely play random now due o dookie team mates but i am pretty sure it can be god in random too
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Post by Stapleton on Jun 10, 2018 23:44:45 GMT -5
No, but I've seen a few (in M3/Champions League). If you have good mojo with Gust-Stalker, this should be right up your ally. It's not your allies that need to worry about you getting up 'em Mr Mainwaring, it's the reds. They do NOT like it up 'em, no sir. Yes I know you meant alley, just made me chuckle ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 0:01:32 GMT -5
No, but I've seen a few (in M3/Champions League). If you have good mojo with Gust-Stalker, this should be right up your alley. They do NOT like it up 'em, no sir. ![](https://i.imgur.com/TesRe17.png)
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Post by ignacij on Jun 11, 2018 0:50:43 GMT -5
So no one on forum is using mk2 gust pursuer?
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Post by brozart on Jun 11, 2018 1:23:50 GMT -5
So no one on forum is using mk2 gust pursuer? Havent finished my pursuer yet, but i have seen some in Champions League I think gust pursuer build is good on short maps with lots of cover On long maps he loses the stealth very easy to snipers or will be forced to sit in cover and wait He is only effektiv if you can use the stealth ~50m away from the beacon or enemy and use to full duration to kill and retreat... if you have to use it to come close enugh then youll die befor you finished the job I think the new spark build could have a bit more punch on 200m+ this could give him more possibilitys on longmaps... but upgrade time on the new stuff dont looks too good i dont know how your other bots and hangar look like... but i would mk2 weapons first... a few mk2 orkans scourges cant go wrong ...maybe test spark befor mk2ing gusts
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Post by ignacij on Jun 11, 2018 5:19:08 GMT -5
So no one on forum is using mk2 gust pursuer? Havent finished my pursuer yet, but i have seen some in Champions League I think gust pursuer build is good on short maps with lots of cover On long maps he loses the stealth very easy to snipers or will be forced to sit in cover and wait He is only effektiv if you can use the stealth ~50m away from the beacon or enemy and use to full duration to kill and retreat... if you have to use it to come close enugh then youll die befor you finished the job I think the new spark build could have a bit more punch on 200m+ this could give him more possibilitys on longmaps... but upgrade time on the new stuff dont looks too good i dont know how your other bots and hangar look like... but i would mk2 weapons first... a few mk2 orkans scourges cant go wrong ...maybe test spark befor mk2ing gusts I already started with scourge, will wait with those gust until i make mk2 all other weapons, than pursuer maybe will get his chance. I only regret that i spent around 2,7mil tokens to get him.
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Post by brozart on Jun 11, 2018 5:48:08 GMT -5
I still wana finish mine... havent lvled my gusts yet... and 3 sparks are still far away but im working on it ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) with gust its more a fun-bot for a second hangar to choose if the map/mode is right... With spark it could have main hangar potential in the right conditions this bot can have a big impact on the game
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Post by ignacij on Jun 11, 2018 6:42:01 GMT -5
I still wana finish mine... havent lvled my gusts yet... and 3 sparks are still far away but im working on it ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) with gust its more a fun-bot for a second hangar to choose if the map/mode is right... With spark it could have main hangar potential in the right conditions this bot can have a big impact on the game What will u do with sparks? Lance, bulgi, bulwark have shields wich u cant break in 10sec, inqusitor and specter have stealth so when then see u they jump and here go your lock, and when u can lock again it takes 3 sec, by than u are death meat. No, sparks have no future on pursuer.
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Post by archon on Jun 11, 2018 7:13:22 GMT -5
Thing about the persuer in champ is, you're either a god or you get insta killed. Persuers health is way too low for open conflict thus you have to rely on your stealth, unlike the inq you'll hardly ever get hit due to your low profile. Stealth ability is moderatly long on the persuer, far more usefull then the stalker which has always been a couple of seconds too short. The key too succes is maxing out those gusts you'll need to be able to do as much damage during your stealthy time and then disapear.
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Post by cheap on Jun 11, 2018 7:20:41 GMT -5
lvl some sparks(or are they supersoakers?)on that baby an you my dear pilot will be the bee's knee's.
i have no basis of comparison for my statement ,but o'well!
can't wait to get my Pursuer in November than add 2 months for Sparks.( i have Pursuer envy)
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 11, 2018 13:37:38 GMT -5
GUSTS My Gusts are currently only L12 Mk1 and it is performing good enough to merit taking them to Mk2, for sure. Running in a pack of two or more can be lethal when the pilots stagger their stealth activation, similar to two Spectres staggering their jump so that the target, who was hoping to catch the first when it came out of the stealth, the second drops in to finish the job. Pursuer is for careful stalking of prey, so knowing the length of stealth and how far you can go and be able to return to cover is critical for survival. You have to get close to have a real impact. Firing from afar or chasing someone down and losing stealth before reaching them in time to do the real damage....gotta be careful, tactful.
SPARKS I got two to use alternating between Strider and Galahad. I get the objection about them not doing well against shielded bots in Champ, but these people are forgetting a couple things. 1) In general, you need to use good judgement with positioning, timing, and target selection. Don’t fire at a physical shield, wait til soft parts are exposed, then stop firing when the shield turns to block. And 2) the Pursuer is very nimble like the Gareth use to be, and the wise pilot uses cover and all the elements of situational awareness to inform the timing of attack. So the Spark Pursuer can potentially be very dangerous if done right.
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Post by eluray on Jun 11, 2018 14:20:58 GMT -5
Im not running a MK2 Pursuer(mk1 lvl9) with Mk2 Gust(mk1 lvl12) in low Camp high Master IF you have a small map hangar he is realy fun and brutal effective IF I (you) dont mess up with situational awareness Its like Stalker one year ago, when heavys was turning slow, a good Pilot will ruin your day, a bad one is just free silver
If you use 1 hangar only i think there are better multipurpose bots
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Post by brozart on Jun 11, 2018 15:39:18 GMT -5
I still wana finish mine... havent lvled my gusts yet... and 3 sparks are still far away but im working on it ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) with gust its more a fun-bot for a second hangar to choose if the map/mode is right... With spark it could have main hangar potential in the right conditions this bot can have a big impact on the game What will u do with sparks? Lance, bulgi, bulwark have shields wich u cant break in 10sec, inqusitor and specter have stealth so when then see u they jump and here go your lock, and when u can lock again it takes 3 sec, by than u are death meat. No, sparks have no future on pursuer. Some awarness to get the right possition by pass shield against bulgi and lance Attack when the stealth jump ends and youll eat a spectre and a qizi in this bot
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Post by ignacij on Jun 11, 2018 16:49:07 GMT -5
What will u do with sparks? Lance, bulgi, bulwark have shields wich u cant break in 10sec, inqusitor and specter have stealth so when then see u they jump and here go your lock, and when u can lock again it takes 3 sec, by than u are death meat. No, sparks have no future on pursuer. Some awarness to get the right possition by pass shield against bulgi and lance Attack when the stealth jump ends and youll eat a spectre and a qizi in this bot Dream on. Spectre with orks will eat pursuer even in stealth, belive me im getting this orks in my face all day.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jun 11, 2018 17:14:20 GMT -5
GUSTS My Gusts are currently only L12 Mk1 and it is performing good enough to merit taking them to Mk2, for sure. Running in a pack of two or more can be lethal when the pilots stagger their stealth activation, similar to two Spectres staggering their jump so that the target, who was hoping to catch the first when it came out of the stealth, the second drops in to finish the job. Pursuer is for careful stalking of prey, so knowing the length of stealth and how far you can go and be able to return to cover is critical for survival. You have to get close to have a real impact. Firing from afar or chasing someone down and losing stealth before reaching them in time to do the real damage....gotta be careful, tactful. SPARKS I got two to use alternating between Strider and Galahad. I get the objection about them not doing well against shielded bots in Champ, but these people are forgetting a couple things. 1) In general, you need to use good judgement with positioning, timing, and target selection. Don’t fire at a physical shield, wait til soft parts are exposed, then stop firing when the shield turns to block. And 2) the Pursuer is very nimble like the Gareth use to be, and the wise pilot uses cover and all the elements of situational awareness to inform the timing of attack. So the Spark Pursuer can potentially be very dangerous if done right. This. ^^^
OP... Pursuer and Stalker are similar... plenty of folks suck at both but a few shine in them. It's a different mindset to play them. What I have noticed is that if I am attacking something that is aware of me, I'm doing it wrong. Play the shadow assassin and it is a fun bot. Try to brawl and you die.
IMO, YMMV
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 11, 2018 17:38:55 GMT -5
GUSTS My Gusts are currently only L12 Mk1 and it is performing good enough to merit taking them to Mk2, for sure. Running in a pack of two or more can be lethal when the pilots stagger their stealth activation, similar to two Spectres staggering their jump so that the target, who was hoping to catch the first when it came out of the stealth, the second drops in to finish the job. Pursuer is for careful stalking of prey, so knowing the length of stealth and how far you can go and be able to return to cover is critical for survival. You have to get close to have a real impact. Firing from afar or chasing someone down and losing stealth before reaching them in time to do the real damage....gotta be careful, tactful. SPARKS I got two to use alternating between Strider and Galahad. I get the objection about them not doing well against shielded bots in Champ, but these people are forgetting a couple things. 1) In general, you need to use good judgement with positioning, timing, and target selection. Don’t fire at a physical shield, wait til soft parts are exposed, then stop firing when the shield turns to block. And 2) the Pursuer is very nimble like the Gareth use to be, and the wise pilot uses cover and all the elements of situational awareness to inform the timing of attack. So the Spark Pursuer can potentially be very dangerous if done right. This. ^^^
OP... Pursuer and Stalker are similar... plenty of folks suck at both but a few shine in them. It's a different mindset to play them. What I have noticed is that if I am attacking something that is aware of me, I'm doing it wrong. Play the shadow assassin and it is a fun bot. Try to brawl and you die.
IMO, YMMV
I agree, shadow assassins are opportunists. But, if you play your cards right against a singular unsupported enemy, even a stealth jumper, you can come out and hit them hard with good timing. But mostly, it should be piloted as you say. I mention this because a lot of people are so into brawling that they may conclude it’s a worthless bot, when in truth it can be brutal, but it has to be done right.
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Post by windcaster on Jun 11, 2018 17:44:49 GMT -5
You know it's funny gusts really don't do much damage at a distance but they still have 500m range and I find a pair of them on a stalker seem to hit a little better then a thunder at extreme range.
Today in FFA was finishing off nearly dead bots in Canyon.. it took a minute to kill them but everyone has close range weapons so suddenly you can harass people at 400-450 without fear and it still does a good job on fully exposed anicles at that distance.
You know they had to feel salty getting killed at 400 meters by gust lol. Not optimal but hilarious all the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 17:57:50 GMT -5
If you like the bot, go for it. I left mine at MK1 level 9, where I tend to leave all of my "non-competitive-but-wanted-to-try-it" bots. But if you're asking for opinions? Well, I dont think hiding for 20s and then hitting reds for 10s with light weapons is generally what you want to be doing in champions league. Your team would be better served by another brawling bot hitting the reds hard, than having a slightly better stalker running around. And in FFA, there are not a ton of matchups that favor the pursuer in a duel.
Now all of that said, I play the game to blow up robots, not to run around hiding behind things trying not to get hit for 10 minutes, so my opinion is clearly skewed towards brawlers. Take it with a grain of salt.
Cheers!
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Post by giraffeman on Jun 11, 2018 18:02:51 GMT -5
Yea what Ogre said... Completely agree. I have one on Amazon at 8/9 (getting gusts to 12 atm) and there are times it shines and times when its fodder with other meta bots. Need to be very situationally aware.... like very.. there is a lot to think about with this one. And one mistake costs a lot of HP. Orkans and ember will eat it alive even with stealth. Rajin and Lance may require 2 stealth sessions to eliminate, which hiding around the same bot after you attacked is hard to get away with.
This one has a big learning curve if you have not piloted a gust stalker (which I have not). I was really bad with it when I brought it out at 5/6, but now I sometimes fell like a jedi with it. ... well more like a sith I guess since you have to be evil to succeed. I often look for 3rd man in situations just don't get caught by the official or you are going to the penalty box. Or finding someone you know is not aware of you. Its also pretty good at taking down a bot with scourges or STs if you sneak to them through cover.
Avoid orkans like kryptonite.... especially with walls at your back.. in the open you may be OK against a dash or inqy, but def avoid an orkan spec. Avoid Ember like radio active kryptonite.... stealth does nothing Do not run it first in a KotH... just don't. it will be insta death..... but it is really good if used half way through Try not to run it first in a random or beacon rush either... I usually use it when the beacon bar starts to swing to the oppositions favor.... 3rd 4th or last. This is the toughest one... if you are close to killing your target and stealth is about to wear off... get to cover if you want to live. You're better off getting another chance or hurting someone else than being dead or close to it. This is the second toughest one.... Do not pilot while drinking beer or other adult beverages. Its just too dam fun! and after the first ninja like kill you may feel invincible and someone will kill you dead. I really don't play FFA, so no real advice there other than the 3rd man in thing which is the norm in that mode.
This bot is super fun I think... MK2? It would not be the first choice in my hanger. I could see the appeal though. I honestly have not thought about it. And my answer would likely not be relevant since I have no experience on IOS or Android. I might do it as my second choice depending on if my piloting skills improve.
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Post by balrog89 on Jun 11, 2018 20:09:29 GMT -5
This. ^^^
OP... Pursuer and Stalker are similar... plenty of folks suck at both but a few shine in them. It's a different mindset to play them. What I have noticed is that if I am attacking something that is aware of me, I'm doing it wrong. Play the shadow assassin and it is a fun bot. Try to brawl and you die.
IMO, YMMV
I agree, shadow assassins are opportunists. But, if you play your cards right against a singular unsupported enemy, even a stealth jumper, you can come out and hit them hard with good timing. But mostly, it should be piloted as you say. I mention this because a lot of people are so into brawling that they may conclude it’s a worthless bot, when in truth it can be brutal, but it has to be done right. I hope to never meet either of you in battle. Every single pursuer user I have met are the guys who have bought their way into champ league. You know the guys....MK2 everything with very few wins. These guys do not even come close to knowing how to use their pursuers. I want one. I am not far and will have it next time it comes through the royale. I only have 2 unused gusts right now but should have a 3rd really soon. Until those gusts are leveled, I am gonna do the whole hide and seek with 3 leveled pinatas....like good stalker pilots did back in the day.
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Post by ignacij on Jun 12, 2018 1:24:50 GMT -5
If you like the bot, go for it. I left mine at MK1 level 9, where I tend to leave all of my "non-competitive-but-wanted-to-try-it" bots. But if you're asking for opinions? Well, I dont think hiding for 20s and then hitting reds for 10s with light weapons is generally what you want to be doing in champions league. Your team would be better served by another brawling bot hitting the reds hard, than having a slightly better stalker running around. And in FFA, there are not a ton of matchups that favor the pursuer in a duel. Now all of that said, I play the game to blow up robots, not to run around hiding behind things trying not to get hit for 10 minutes, so my opinion is clearly skewed towards brawlers. Take it with a grain of salt. Cheers! Yep u are damn right, while others are fighting u must hide and bettle goes on, its not worth, maybe if there would be 10 sec stealth reloading would be more usefull, but now is just free silver.
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Post by Deadeye on Jun 12, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -5
I think your best defense (after speed and stealth of course) is to upgrade the gusts first. I take the most damage to my pursuer near the end of stealth because the enemy is still alive, even though it is just barely. Mine are all at 11 right now. 30% more killing power should make sure I can finish the job before the stealth wears off.
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Post by bigmonkeyboss on Aug 8, 2018 2:38:21 GMT -5
Mine is L6 with L11 gusts (gusts old economy pursuer new economy!) and it wrecks havoc in close maps. Averaging 2+kills with it, and every bot dies quickly (bulg, hae included). Stalker gust experience is highly helpful, know when to keep chasing and when to turn tail and fight another day. One overlooked strategy is attacking from different elevation esp much higher, where orks tars ember miss you and you don't have idiot randoms running right behind you making you targetable in stealth.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Aug 19, 2018 5:26:15 GMT -5
FFA. I use a Mrk 1 / Gust Mrk 1 (11/11/12) I’m Master 1 against Champs. It’s a beast. Drop in position 4 or 5 and Put a couple of Spectre’s out of their misery.
I just played this game and got 6 kills and a good head start before dying.
I feel it’s largely underestimated by a lot of players.
Starting to see it in some Champ hangers (not a lot) but something different to a 5x Spectre Hanger.
Enjoy.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Aug 19, 2018 5:27:10 GMT -5
FFA. I use a Mrk 1 / Gust Mrk 1 (11/11/12) I’m Master 1 against Champs. It’s a beast. Drop in position 4 or 5 and Put a couple of Spectre’s out of their misery. I just played this game and got 6 kills and a good head start before dying. I feel it’s largely underestimated by a lot of players. Starting to see it in some Champ hangers (not a lot) but something different to a 5x Spectre Hanger. Enjoy. ![](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180819/ad4f8cd0314b57a0bf4d99bdf27a10ba.png)
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Post by careyfan on Aug 19, 2018 10:18:40 GMT -5
The pursuer is a regular part of my primary hangar in champ league.
It takes practice, but the ability to harass at 400-500 is a primary reason it is so effective. I don’t go out of my way to avoid orkan specters at all. On the contrary, I harass them at 400-500 and force them to run away from me or get closer to me. Either way, I have positional options.
You have to use stealth very selectively. When you commit to using it at close range, you should be prepared to finish the enemy. And you will take some damage but you’ll have the upper hand if you time it right.
It is definitely worth bringing the bot and weapons to mk2. And it is very effective in the current meta. It is also useful on both short and long maps.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 19, 2018 10:56:51 GMT -5
Have been seeing a lot more of these little buggers in low Champions League. Just ran into a squadded 4 pack of them to open BR Yam and it was a slaughter. I beat them to center in a Kumi, but when they all arrived they cleared it out, then moved on to our side beacon and it was all over from there.
I always loved my stalker, have 3 gusts and two at lv 10. But never managed to get a Pursuer before the new Econ. Might have to swallow hard and make it s priority. They also need t make a better paint job for it. So much potential there.
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Post by windcaster on Aug 19, 2018 14:46:10 GMT -5
I'd like to see like a stealth black paint job.
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