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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 15, 2017 1:56:13 GMT -5
Prefer the aphid leoncile All day everyday..
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Hobbes
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Post by Hobbes on Feb 15, 2017 5:53:09 GMT -5
The survivability of a Patton is questionable. It's not fast enough to get away or to pole dance, it's not robust enough to take heavy damage, and if it carries Aphids it might as well have a big red crosshairs painted on it. I hunt down Aphid robots in any way I can.
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Post by Hobbes on Feb 15, 2017 5:55:22 GMT -5
Aphid Patton is barely viable; you might get it to work on DC but I hate the squishiness AND low speed. If you really want to use aphids, I agree that it should either go on a griff paired with orks or tarans, and on geps (not my choice). Ancile leo with aphids seems like a waste of Au now. I might get an Ancile Aphid Leo and mount the Ancile on a Lancelot and Aphids on an Orkan Griff when I have the gold for the Lancelot.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 15, 2017 8:44:30 GMT -5
The pothead warrior - what bot are you displacing to run this? That's nearly 5K in Au to run that setup too. What common top tier setups kill a pothead warrior with nearly ease? Plasmahad, PDB Griff/Rhino, Tri-Zeus Fury, etc. If there are TT/12-12 pilots here they can chime in on this, but I am talking about the viability the Aphid heavy setups like the Quad Aphid Patton and Pothead warrior. These setups are not something you want in your hangar against other 12/12 pilots. The work against the lower end ranks you see as a 12/12 pilot on the screwy MM, but I kill these setups with ease with any bot that goes over 40KPH. Since Adriannnn made the pothead warrior popular 2 nerfs on the Aphid has lowered the effectiveness of this weapon to the point where even a bot that can motor as low as mid-30s KPH can slip the missiles now. When you combine the low arch now, Aphids are just too risky to put on assualt bots. The point sort of mute in most practical ways in that many of the pothead warrior setups have been converted to Ancilot (which are a better squad setup and can be practically unassailable in many defensive situations). As far as the quad-Aphid Patton, those Aphids have bee repurposed on OrkAphid Griffs (an amazing setup on Yam, DC, and PP). Lastly, what pilot would have any setup that requires the target to be either standing still or inexperienced to work? 1) I use this setup in tt. I promise you won't kill me in whatever plasma rig you're using because I won't be alone. If you're using your ancile bot of any stripe or flavor solo you're doing it wrong. Period. 2) Any aphid bot gets its payload slipped from time to time. This point is irrelevant. As for the 40 kph bots, see point number 1. 3) with the proliferation of tridents, it would be foolhardy to run assault bots in general, unless you have an ancile. Which it does. But people run assault bots anyway. Pothead isn't assault to begin with, it's attrition, so the point is moot. 4) stationary or inexperienced is not a requirement of any sort. Just skill. So, if you SUCK with aphids in general, or need them on a jump platform to do anything, then maybe aphids aren't the weapon for you. But, I can assure you, as a pothead enthusiast, I find none of your points credible. It sounds to me like you don't know how to use one effectively. Now, the real downside of pothead is damage. You aren't going to always do the most damage on your team. And you aren't going toe to toe with much of anything worth noting, except maybe stalkers and gepards and other light bots and hybrid griffins. But you're not doing any of that with a quad aphid patton either. When the other team gets tired of me, I die. Yup. I get hunted down with extreme prejudice. What you will do is protect your team. A LOT. And you'll soften up the opponent. A LOT. If you use cover effectively, griffins will die by the truckload. Lancelots will lose 1/1 -1/2 health before your teams Lancelots mow them down. You will do a truckload of damage to energy shields so your team can finish them off. You'll suppress enemy aphid fire. You'll make center beacon runs not only possible, but plausible. So I'd recommend tossing any preconceived notions you may have and actually try one. Yes, the Gold cost can be prohibitive, so the build isn't for everyone. But for anyone who is a team player, and wants the team to win, pothead fills the bill nicely. Wise words spoken - I've found the Pothead a very useful bot even at an entry level 6-7 to 8/8. Of course needs to be used in the right way, for the right objectives - presto - it's bang on. Sounds like various commentators don't understand under these last points. And as to the comment 'a bot that can motor as low as mid-30s KPH can slip the missiles now' - that's total BS. Still effective in the right hands.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 15, 2017 8:49:16 GMT -5
Aphid ancile leo on a good squad on dead city is pretty funny. All the pissed reds willing to sacrifice bots to try to get rid of you. And blues just collect the silver. Barely notice the aphid nerf, can still take out stalkers if you time it right So true - Dead city ACL mayhem :-)
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 15, 2017 8:51:00 GMT -5
Aphid Patton is barely viable; you might get it to work on DC but I hate the squishiness AND low speed. If you really want to use aphids, I agree that it should either go on a griff paired with orks or tarans, and on geps (not my choice). Ancile leo with aphids seems like a waste of Au now. I might get an Ancile Aphid Leo and mount the Ancile on a Lancelot and Aphids on an Orkan Griff when I have the gold for the Lancelot. Good move. I don't regret it
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Post by The Doctor Is Out on Feb 15, 2017 13:38:58 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys, but I tried so hard last event to get an Aphid Jesse. I've got 4x LVL 10 Aphids, but I hate Patton and I don't really like Griffins. I really wanted a Jesse and a Butch, since I'm actually using Butch as my first sniper bot with 4x Trebuchets. I know Jesse is even more squishy, but the speed is equal to Gareth, and both are slightly below Stalker. I love light robots, and so far only Gareth and Jesse carry enough firepower to justify their high speed/low HP nature.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 15, 2017 14:08:26 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys, but I tried so hard last event to get an Aphid Jesse. I've got 4x LVL 10 Aphids, but I hate Patton and I don't really like Griffins. I really wanted a Jesse and a Butch, since I'm actually using Butch as my first sniper bot with 4x Trebuchets. I know Jesse is even more squishy, but the speed is equal to Gareth, and both are slightly below Stalker. I love light robots, and so far only Gareth and Jesse carry enough firepower to justify their high speed/low HP nature. I can definitely see the Jesse, Gepard, and Stalker as valid Aphid carriers even in the highest MM. Against slow bots (mid-30s KPH and under) or jumping bots 1-2 seconds after they land, Aphids are still effective. My use of a Tri-Aphid Gepard is similar to to the way I use a Galahad against non-shield bots that aren't using splash weapons (i.e. seeking a helpless and stalking it until it's dead). The difference is fairly minor - it's just the type of target you stalk. One major difference is that a tri Aphid Gepard or quad Aphid Jesse has an extra bonus ---- is can be precisely were your fellow blue bots need them when it comes to assaulting an Ancil protected bot and 1 Aphid salvo is all that is needed to bring that shield to near zero (it will zero it under the current glitch). The 2nd salvo will ensure the Ancile stays at zero while your fellow blue bots punch the red's ticket back to spawn.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 15, 2017 15:23:28 GMT -5
That is a fair point I inarticulately made; pothead warrior is strongest in squads. Question - I get that your buddy is covering your Pothead Warrior. However, who is covering you buddy? A Pothead Warrior doesn't provide good cover against a bot that can motor 40KPH or better --- and that means it will miss - portion of its missiles against a walking Griffin. When fighting multiples in red territory, I ignore the Pot Head Warrior and focus solely on the high value target. I can do this cause the Aphids just plain miss now against fast bots. It doesnt matter if you lead/trail/fire dead on ---- you will not land even a 50% strike on a fast bot that is moving purposefully to screw up your shot. Against a skilled Plasmahad Galahad or PDB pilot, the Pot Head is an empty mech and the fight is really against the high value target (usually a Fury). Squad or no squad, the Pot Head doesn't deliver enough damage due to greater percentage of misses to validate its existence compared to a Plasmahad, Ancilot, Rocket Doc, or Fury. I mean, what setup in your inventory are you shelving to use this Pot Head? ? The Pot Head makes no sense anymore. Why am I standing next to a fury in my pothead? This makes no sense. And sure, if the pothead pilot is stupid enough to shoot aphids at lateral moving targets, then ya, a lot miss. But I assure you, if you're pairing properly, the things you are trying to say occur, don't. Because I'm covering the Lancelot, or making the ancilot unkillable, while adding my DPS into the fray. If it's the beginning of the match, you're going to think I'm a carnage, because I'm using cover all day long. So you won't be moving laterally to me, you'll be coming right at me. My aphids aren't going to have a 50% miss rate. I'm NAILING you, HARD. I'm not speaking to you about hypotheticals, as you are to me. I'm telling you what I do every night. I orchestrate this. I make it happen on purpose. I manipulate my opponents into bad positions and then my team capitalises on it. And finally, while my buddy is certainly covering me, more to the point, I'm covering him. Are you seriously going to let me dump apids into you ove r and over? I think not. There are so many orkans/pins/tridents on android, I make life liveable longer for my squad, at least until the other team gets sick of me or I want to kill something dead with a Lancelot. Edit: Yes, on canyon I'll sometimes stand next to furys to cover them a bit if there are stupid numbers of tridents on the other team.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 15, 2017 19:33:43 GMT -5
Question - I get that your buddy is covering your Pothead Warrior. However, who is covering you buddy? A Pothead Warrior doesn't provide good cover against a bot that can motor 40KPH or better --- and that means it will miss - portion of its missiles against a walking Griffin. When fighting multiples in red territory, I ignore the Pot Head Warrior and focus solely on the high value target. I can do this cause the Aphids just plain miss now against fast bots. It doesnt matter if you lead/trail/fire dead on ---- you will not land even a 50% strike on a fast bot that is moving purposefully to screw up your shot. Against a skilled Plasmahad Galahad or PDB pilot, the Pot Head is an empty mech and the fight is really against the high value target (usually a Fury). Squad or no squad, the Pot Head doesn't deliver enough damage due to greater percentage of misses to validate its existence compared to a Plasmahad, Ancilot, Rocket Doc, or Fury. I mean, what setup in your inventory are you shelving to use this Pot Head? ? The Pot Head makes no sense anymore. Why am I standing next to a fury in my pothead? This makes no sense. And sure, if the pothead pilot is stupid enough to shoot aphids at lateral moving targets, then ya, a lot miss. But I assure you, if you're pairing properly, the things you are trying to say occur, don't. Because I'm covering the Lancelot, or making the ancilot unkillable, while adding my DPS into the fray. If it's the beginning of the match, you're going to think I'm a carnage, because I'm using cover all day long. So you won't be moving laterally to me, you'll be coming right at me. My aphids aren't going to have a 50% miss rate. I'm NAILING you, HARD. I'm not speaking to you about hypotheticals, as you are to me. I'm telling you what I do every night. I orchestrate this. I make it happen on purpose. I manipulate my opponents into bad positions and then my team capitalises on it. And finally, while my buddy is certainly covering me, more to the point, I'm covering him. Are you seriously going to let me dump apids into you ove r and over? I think not. There are so many orkans/pins/tridents on android, I make life liveable longer for my squad, at least until the other team gets sick of me or I want to kill something dead with a Lancelot. Edit: Yes, on canyon I'll sometimes stand next to furys to cover them a bit if there are stupid numbers of tridents on the other team. I found the same real game experience. I don't use the Pothead in the open against strafing targets, but behind cover at targets trying to cap a control beacon and heading straight on. This is particularly useful on Dead City, Yama, Canyon and Springfield if you control the Center beacon. Or you're providing support cover for a team mate to overturn. In those scenarios not only do you do some great damage and keep the reds in check, but you become a right PITA. A lot of time reds with need to come around the sides at Dead City and out of cover in Yama and Canyon and are picked off by team mates.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 15, 2017 20:56:12 GMT -5
Thundergod gets it.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 16, 2017 9:28:43 GMT -5
Hopefully squad with you one day and keep the doubters in check mate :-)
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