BumbleBeast
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Pilot name: BumbleBeast
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Post by BumbleBeast on Feb 14, 2017 17:25:42 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier?
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Post by 3castle on Feb 14, 2017 17:40:08 GMT -5
if aphid lvl is high enough, then yes
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Post by mechtout on Feb 14, 2017 17:51:07 GMT -5
Prefer the aphid leoncile
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 17:58:16 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? Definitely. Current TT meta is Trident Fury, Ancile Lancelot and Aphids.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 17:59:30 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? If you are playing against seasoned pilots, then no, the Quad Aphid Patton is not viable and IMO no longer can earn a spot in a 12/12 hangar. I still see Ancil/Aphid Leos and Quad Aphid Pattons in 12/12 matches, but honestly these pilots are a behind the curve. These setups are nearly bags of free silver. Occasionally I'll see a Tri-Aphid Gepard or a Quad-Aphid Jesse - these setups make sense, as you have the speed to stalk bots you KNOW are vulnerable to Aphids. Jesse and Gep are squishy, but they do work if run as a bot to hunt slow shieldless prey --- and you must stick to this mission and always be moving to find a suitable target. The setup I see the most in TT is the OrkAphid Griffin. I can outfit at least 2 of these in TT and these are still effective setups. This setup allows you to chip away at bots that you don't want an LOS on (i.e. , any DB, any other big splash setup, or a PDB) until the target is within 90K or so HP left (so your Orkans can kill them outright).
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Post by blognio on Feb 14, 2017 17:59:35 GMT -5
Wasted my itunes on these if these are no longer viable..
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Post by amoebastudios on Feb 14, 2017 17:59:58 GMT -5
I do very well even with level 8 aphids on a patton.
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Post by Pilot Moby_dic on Feb 14, 2017 18:20:07 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? If you are playing against seasoned pilots, then no, the Quad Aphid Patton is not viable and IMO no longer can earn a spot in a 12/12 hangar. I still see Ancil/Aphid Leos and Quad Aphid Pattons in 12/12 matches, but honestly these pilots are a behind the curve. These setups are nearly bags of free silver. Occasionally I'll see a Tri-Aphid Gepard or a Quad-Aphid Jesse - these setups make sense, as you have the speed to stalk bots you KNOW are vulnerable to Aphids. Jesse and Gep are squishy, but they do work if run as a bot to hunt slow shieldless prey --- and you must stick to this mission and always be moving to find a suitable target. The setup I see the most in TT is the OrkAphid Griffin. I can outfit at least 2 of these in TT and these are still effective setups. This setup allows you to chip away at bots that you don't want an LOS on (i.e. , any DB, any other big splash setup, or a PDB) until the target is within 90K or so HP left (so your Orkans can kill them outright). I've seen YT footage of Quad Aphid Pattons in TT and the other bots were free silver
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 14, 2017 18:24:51 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? If you are playing against seasoned pilots, then no, the Quad Aphid Patton is not viable and IMO no longer can earn a spot in a 12/12 hangar. I still see Ancil/Aphid Leos and Quad Aphid Pattons in 12/12 matches, but honestly these pilots are a behind the curve. These setups are nearly bags of free silver. Occasionally I'll see a Tri-Aphid Gepard or a Quad-Aphid Jesse - these setups make sense, as you have the speed to stalk bots you KNOW are vulnerable to Aphids. Jesse and Gep are squishy, but they do work if run as a bot to hunt slow shieldless prey --- and you must stick to this mission and always be moving to find a suitable target. The setup I see the most in TT is the OrkAphid Griffin. I can outfit at least 2 of these in TT and these are still effective setups. This setup allows you to chip away at bots that you don't want an LOS on (i.e. , any DB, any other big splash setup, or a PDB) until the target is within 90K or so HP left (so your Orkans can kill them outright). Lol, behind the curve. Pothead warrior is so far ahead of you, you think you're first Behind the curve..... LMAO a lot!
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Post by RightOn on Feb 14, 2017 18:33:07 GMT -5
The upside to Patton is red button, small chassis. Downsides are it's slow for its size and not particulary tough either. I think if you really like the style go for it otherwise it's not a gamebreaker.
Aphids are best, followed by gekkos but I dont think Gekkos will snipe as long as burst fire, left out in the open for a bit.
One of the best methods is to fire your ahids one after the other making them a little harder to dodge.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 14, 2017 18:47:22 GMT -5
I hate them so yes.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 18:55:56 GMT -5
If you are playing against seasoned pilots, then no, the Quad Aphid Patton is not viable and IMO no longer can earn a spot in a 12/12 hangar. I still see Ancil/Aphid Leos and Quad Aphid Pattons in 12/12 matches, but honestly these pilots are a behind the curve. These setups are nearly bags of free silver. Occasionally I'll see a Tri-Aphid Gepard or a Quad-Aphid Jesse - these setups make sense, as you have the speed to stalk bots you KNOW are vulnerable to Aphids. Jesse and Gep are squishy, but they do work if run as a bot to hunt slow shieldless prey --- and you must stick to this mission and always be moving to find a suitable target. The setup I see the most in TT is the OrkAphid Griffin. I can outfit at least 2 of these in TT and these are still effective setups. This setup allows you to chip away at bots that you don't want an LOS on (i.e. , any DB, any other big splash setup, or a PDB) until the target is within 90K or so HP left (so your Orkans can kill them outright). Lol, behind the curve. Pothead warrior is so far ahead of you, you think you're first Behind the curve..... LMAO a lot! The pothead warrior - what bot are you displacing to run this? That's nearly 5K in Au to run that setup too. What common top tier setups kill a pothead warrior with nearly ease? Plasmahad, PDB Griff/Rhino, Tri-Zeus Fury, etc. If there are TT/12-12 pilots here they can chime in on this, but I am talking about the viability the Aphid heavy setups like the Quad Aphid Patton and Pothead warrior. These setups are not something you want in your hangar against other 12/12 pilots. The work against the lower end ranks you see as a 12/12 pilot on the screwy MM, but I kill these setups with ease with any bot that goes over 40KPH. Since Adriannnn made the pothead warrior popular 2 nerfs on the Aphid has lowered the effectiveness of this weapon to the point where even a bot that can motor as low as mid-30s KPH can slip the missiles now. When you combine the low arch now, Aphids are just too risky to put on assualt bots. The point sort of mute in most practical ways in that many of the pothead warrior setups have been converted to Ancilot (which are a better squad setup and can be practically unassailable in many defensive situations). As far as the quad-Aphid Patton, those Aphids have bee repurposed on OrkAphid Griffs (an amazing setup on Yam, DC, and PP). Lastly, what pilot would have any setup that requires the target to be either standing still or inexperienced to work?
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 18:57:50 GMT -5
If you are playing against seasoned pilots, then no, the Quad Aphid Patton is not viable and IMO no longer can earn a spot in a 12/12 hangar. I still see Ancil/Aphid Leos and Quad Aphid Pattons in 12/12 matches, but honestly these pilots are a behind the curve. These setups are nearly bags of free silver. Occasionally I'll see a Tri-Aphid Gepard or a Quad-Aphid Jesse - these setups make sense, as you have the speed to stalk bots you KNOW are vulnerable to Aphids. Jesse and Gep are squishy, but they do work if run as a bot to hunt slow shieldless prey --- and you must stick to this mission and always be moving to find a suitable target. The setup I see the most in TT is the OrkAphid Griffin. I can outfit at least 2 of these in TT and these are still effective setups. This setup allows you to chip away at bots that you don't want an LOS on (i.e. , any DB, any other big splash setup, or a PDB) until the target is within 90K or so HP left (so your Orkans can kill them outright). I've seen YT footage of Quad Aphid Pattons in TT and the other bots were free silver That's before the current nerfs. Aphids are just normal weapons now that can be easily evaded.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Feb 14, 2017 19:07:07 GMT -5
Griffin Ork/Aphids is one of the strongest brawling builds.
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Post by loren on Feb 14, 2017 19:09:14 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? That setup used to be good for the lol's, since the change I have stored most of my Aphids in long term storage. If you are fighting slow bots or pilots that stand still then they can be useful, but even lobbing them at a slow moving Leo I find that most of the damage just splashes into the grass. I have one Gepard that still has 3 mounted but that is only because once you are on top of your target they do a good amount of damage. But a Patton will only end up burning the grass a lot of the time. Prenerf that was a combo I avoided, what ever that pilot was going for, they could have it. I just came back later for the scraps. Loren
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 19:10:30 GMT -5
Griffin Ork/Aphids is one of the strongest brawling builds. Got 2 of them - amazing and dependable performance on all maps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 19:15:15 GMT -5
I love Pattons, they just dont have the speed and health to be as effective as I would like. Its kinda like kill a bot, then throw away Patton - well, you got killed
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 14, 2017 19:54:07 GMT -5
The pothead warrior - what bot are you displacing to run this? That's nearly 5K in Au to run that setup too. What common top tier setups kill a pothead warrior with nearly ease? Plasmahad, PDB Griff/Rhino, Tri-Zeus Fury, etc. If there are TT/12-12 pilots here they can chime in on this, but I am talking about the viability the Aphid heavy setups like the Quad Aphid Patton and Pothead warrior. These setups are not something you want in your hangar against other 12/12 pilots. The work against the lower end ranks you see as a 12/12 pilot on the screwy MM, but I kill these setups with ease with any bot that goes over 40KPH. Since Adriannnn made the pothead warrior popular 2 nerfs on the Aphid has lowered the effectiveness of this weapon to the point where even a bot that can motor as low as mid-30s KPH can slip the missiles now. When you combine the low arch now, Aphids are just too risky to put on assualt bots. The point sort of mute in most practical ways in that many of the pothead warrior setups have been converted to Ancilot (which are a better squad setup and can be practically unassailable in many defensive situations). As far as the quad-Aphid Patton, those Aphids have bee repurposed on OrkAphid Griffs (an amazing setup on Yam, DC, and PP). Lastly, what pilot would have any setup that requires the target to be either standing still or inexperienced to work? 1) I use this setup in tt. I promise you won't kill me in whatever plasma rig you're using because I won't be alone. If you're using your ancile bot of any stripe or flavor solo you're doing it wrong. Period. 2) Any aphid bot gets its payload slipped from time to time. This point is irrelevant. As for the 40 kph bots, see point number 1. 3) with the proliferation of tridents, it would be foolhardy to run assault bots in general, unless you have an ancile. Which it does. But people run assault bots anyway. Pothead isn't assault to begin with, it's attrition, so the point is moot. 4) stationary or inexperienced is not a requirement of any sort. Just skill. So, if you SUCK with aphids in general, or need them on a jump platform to do anything, then maybe aphids aren't the weapon for you. But, I can assure you, as a pothead enthusiast, I find none of your points credible. It sounds to me like you don't know how to use one effectively. Now, the real downside of pothead is damage. You aren't going to always do the most damage on your team. And you aren't going toe to toe with much of anything worth noting, except maybe stalkers and gepards and other light bots and hybrid griffins. But you're not doing any of that with a quad aphid patton either. When the other team gets tired of me, I die. Yup. I get hunted down with extreme prejudice. What you will do is protect your team. A LOT. And you'll soften up the opponent. A LOT. If you use cover effectively, griffins will die by the truckload. Lancelots will lose 1/4 -1/2 health before your teams Lancelots mow them down. You will do a truckload of damage to energy shields so your team can finish them off. You'll suppress enemy aphid fire. You'll make center beacon runs not only possible, but plausible. So I'd recommend tossing any preconceived notions you may have and actually try one. Yes, the Gold cost can be prohibitive, so the build isn't for everyone. But for anyone who is a team player, and wants the team to win, pothead fills the bill nicely.
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Post by youngchen on Feb 14, 2017 20:32:30 GMT -5
The pothead is a build I too have considered running sometime in the future. To be fair, it would probably just be for fun and looking through these points made, I'd definitely say I wouldn't build it now from scratch. The last post above was far too aggressively defended from personal need to rely on it, as well as having a supporting team is rare without squadding, which every point expressed completely relies on. If you want to run aphid, I agree with the grif and gepard platforms, certaintly not the patton. You have neither advantage of a shield or speed.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 14, 2017 21:28:55 GMT -5
The pothead is a build I too have considered running sometime in the future. To be fair, it would probably just be for fun and looking through these points made, I'd definitely say I wouldn't build it now from scratch. The last post above was far too aggressively defended from personal need to rely on it, as well as having a supporting team is rare without squadding, which every point expressed completely relies on. If you want to run aphid, I agree with the grif and gepard platforms, certaintly not the patton. You have neither advantage of a shield or speed. That is a fair point I inarticulately made; pothead warrior is strongest in squads.
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Post by Deadalready on Feb 14, 2017 21:31:39 GMT -5
It's going to based a little bit on how you play and when you play. The Patton is slow and weak but when armed with Aphids excellent for countering the more lumbering of bots like Griffin, Lance, Leo, Rhino, etc.
I've seen them employed very well at deterring beacon capture but not so good at attacking for before mention weaknesses. Aphids are still very good weapons to own though.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 21:35:44 GMT -5
I could change my aphid-orkan Griffins to death buttons, with the aphids I could make a aphid Patton. I have been seeing less and less of them though. Is it worth the slot and is it also viable in top tier? That setup used to be good for the lol's, since the change I have stored most of my Aphids in long term storage. If you are fighting slow bots or pilots that stand still then they can be useful, but even lobbing them at a slow moving Leo I find that most of the damage just splashes into the grass. I have one Gepard that still has 3 mounted but that is only because once you are on top of your target they do a good amount of damage. But a Patton will only end up burning the grass a lot of the time. Prenerf that was a combo I avoided, what ever that pilot was going for, they could have it. I just came back later for the scraps. Loren Spot on observation! The latest Aphid nerf was huge and most mid-level pilots haven't figured out yet how bad the Aphids are now. One commenter here actually still believes the Pothead Warrior setup still works, when it should be already clear that this setup is seen as 225K damage in the bank (I'll go out of my way to kill a Pothead Warrior as it's a laughably easy kill). The fact that a beast as slow as a Leo can escape full Aphid damage should have been quickly observed by any pilot using Aphid-only setups.
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Post by RightOn on Feb 14, 2017 21:58:53 GMT -5
Aphid Gepard was always the better choice. I'm killing for real with ancile mag leo though
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Post by mechtout on Feb 14, 2017 22:25:56 GMT -5
Aphid ancile leo on a good squad on dead city is pretty funny. All the pissed reds willing to sacrifice bots to try to get rid of you. And blues just collect the silver.
Barely notice the aphid nerf, can still take out stalkers if you time it right
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 14, 2017 23:01:46 GMT -5
The pothead is a build I too have considered running sometime in the future. To be fair, it would probably just be for fun and looking through these points made, I'd definitely say I wouldn't build it now from scratch. The last post above was far too aggressively defended from personal need to rely on it, as well as having a supporting team is rare without squadding, which every point expressed completely relies on. If you want to run aphid, I agree with the grif and gepard platforms, certaintly not the patton. You have neither advantage of a shield or speed. That is a fair point I inarticulately made; pothead warrior is strongest in squads. Question - I get that your buddy is covering your Pothead Warrior. However, who is covering you buddy? A Pothead Warrior doesn't provide good cover against a bot that can motor 40KPH or better --- and that means it will miss - portion of its missiles against a walking Griffin. When fighting multiples in red territory, I ignore the Pot Head Warrior and focus solely on the high value target. I can do this cause the Aphids just plain miss now against fast bots. It doesnt matter if you lead/trail/fire dead on ---- you will not land even a 50% strike on a fast bot that is moving purposefully to screw up your shot. Against a skilled Plasmahad Galahad or PDB pilot, the Pot Head is an empty mech and the fight is really against the high value target (usually a Fury). Squad or no squad, the Pot Head doesn't deliver enough damage due to greater percentage of misses to validate its existence compared to a Plasmahad, Ancilot, Rocket Doc, or Fury. I mean, what setup in your inventory are you shelving to use this Pot Head? ? The Pot Head makes no sense anymore.
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 14, 2017 23:11:41 GMT -5
Aphid Patton is barely viable; you might get it to work on DC but I hate the squishiness AND low speed. If you really want to use aphids, I agree that it should either go on a griff paired with orks or tarans, and on geps (not my choice). Ancile leo with aphids seems like a waste of Au now.
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Post by mechtout on Feb 14, 2017 23:58:28 GMT -5
lol if your missing that much you're not using them right imo.
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Post by pewpew on Feb 15, 2017 0:13:30 GMT -5
I haven't played an aphid patton, but I do play TT with a 11/12 hangar (with aphid-orkan rhino and aphid-taran griffin). I often get matched with squads from the top clans. Aphids are still very effective, I honestly have not noticed the latest nerf at all.
Even with the faster bots, unless they are strafing perpendicular to your position, you still do serious damage. And if you are firing aphids at strafing robots, you are doing it wrong.
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Post by Kinetic1 on Feb 15, 2017 0:19:55 GMT -5
The aphid Patton era is pretty much over in top.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 15, 2017 0:51:09 GMT -5
The aphid Patton era is pretty much over in top. The numbers of Aphid chuckers went down in top precipitously after the word got out in the Ancilot. I've seen some very nice tactics with Ancilots or Carnages in conjuction with Galahads. I was in a match with some clan with a TW and coffee cup symbol in their clan name that was clearly using comms as they used an Ancilot and 2 Galahads to take Shenzhen center and then broke up to attack the red spawn beacons. When the Lance's physical shield started to smoke, one of the Gals got in front of the Lance and all 3 bots moved in unison --- beautifully done! I was in a Thunder Carnage and I was snuck in behind the other Galahad (how else can a Carnage cross Shentzen center). They may not have known I was there, but my bubble covered him and his shield covered me. In the end we someday all their mid-range at knifer ranges and took 5 beacons. This was exactly the kind of stuff that makes me think this game has a chance of avoiding a death due to boredom from playing at mid-range.
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