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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 14, 2017 13:30:18 GMT -5
Someone here is using the bigot's classic defense when called out on their behavior.. "I'm not a bigot, I've got many (ethnic/national group) friends"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 13:38:36 GMT -5
You appear to believe that the day I took a position as moderator is the day I stopped getting to have an opinion- or at least every time I chose to express it, it had to be filtered through your impression of what a moderator is supposed to be and/or do. I'm sorry, but I'm as entitled to express an opinion every bit as much as you. If I find something odious and inappropriate, you're just going to have to accept that I may choose to say so. It seems like every forum needs to have someone who fancies themselves the clever rules lawyer, and you're entitled to continue in that position here. But please bear in mind that we can have a disagreement on something without any bearing whatsoever on the fact that I have volunteered to be a mod. As for "not being the only one to say this lately," you are correct. Another individual started a thread about it. I'd say that the majority of respondents in that thread seemed to think things were just fine. Maybe I'm not the problem...? As a moderator,some would say that you should filter a bit to reduce bias. There was some minor problems and discussion on this on the Wiki forum. You guys made up the clever rules, I just like to remind people of their declarations. As far as disagreements, and you being a mod, we know, who gets the nod in a disagreement, right or wrong. Regarding being called out, maybe others just don't want to say it. Tow the line, etc. You are a common denominator. As for me I'm just a "problem", its what I do. So hopefully we are done here, I'm gonna go have MM beat me up. Fun to have the last word, but can grow tiresome. If amends are needed for the Russian comment, I can insult the POTUS. Seriously, we should just call it, there's enough of this all over the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 13:43:44 GMT -5
Someone here is using the bigot's classic defense when called out on their behavior.. "I'm not a bigot, I've got many (ethnic/national group) friends" That could be true if the comment wasn't about humor found in cold war era geo-politics. Might be true if I was passive aggressive, which I'm not. As far as some imaginary arguement you think is being used,...........I don't know any Russians!
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Post by Lionheart on Feb 14, 2017 13:44:21 GMT -5
Guys! Come on, come on, it's V-Day! Seriously? I agree with Dredd77. Look, I'm kinda neutral in all this, so let me throw in my two cents even if it gets me clubbed. No, I do not agree with some things pixonic does, the new MM, or honestly a certain some of the staff here, at all. However, I have noticed that they respect other people's opinions best they may. Like anyone else, they're people too. They're doing the best they can all things considered to run a forum for a massive game, and tend to everyone's varying quirks and personalities that may arise while trying to keep a yin yang balance admist potential chaos. They don't ban people or silently shuffle their posts for being outspoken. They do ban people or delete threads for people being jerks as that's detrimental to everyone. Did they delete this yet? No. They let you share what your thinking and try talking to you. If they didn't care they wouldn't do that. If we weren't all miles away instead of online, I would say a certain admin's username would be good advice for everyone in this topic at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 13:50:13 GMT -5
Lionheart, Are you actually suggesting to share the love, spread the love? ?? Mmmmmm......well,.......okay! Peace Dredd! Just please don't say "I love you man"! lol BTW LG, well said, thanks for adding some brakes to this.
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 14, 2017 13:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 14:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by kingzam on Feb 15, 2017 11:09:07 GMT -5
And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. and they should be intelligent enough not to click on links ot topics they don't want to discuss. But it quite apparent that those who post here and think others don't' have the right to vent or post a topic are the most clueless MM sucks bad because I still cannot load up a diffferent hangar and be equally matched.... and the game at the higher lvls is embarrassingly boring . more than 50% of the players at the top are all snipers sitting back trying not to get to dirty with there triple fury's Range carnages and Natashas doing nothgng more then moving a 100 yds from their spawn point and camping... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can tell you this much if the league system don't fix all that ails this game you can stick a fork in it. people are quitting in mass numbers...... SO hopefully thos noobs wil read this and decide to walk away before they get suckered into a game that the developers are dead set on destroying for the minority of players who complain about Geps I just wanted to say I see nothing here to suggest Funkin is looking to fight noobs, in fact he just wanted to set up his hanger and be equally matched. When I had a 92% win, 620k damage, 8.1 kill average that was based on my skill level and with the equipment i was using (which i built up) There is nothing wrong with having these numbers because I took the game seriously and worked at building up my bots and weapons that worked, anyone could of done the same. Silver was an easier tier to learn the game, develop skills and strategies. I feel blessed, that at least I had that opportunity to be in silver and begin to grow my gold hanger as well. New people today with this new mm don't have such a luxury. A friend of mine just started a new account (first of all not everyone is a big spender of the game, infact many can only spend a limited amount) but he started a new account, he said once his account reached 100k damage he started seeing rhinos and carnages, they were not the best players but some were tankers and others were people already equipping thenselves with this equipment. His low level equipment was already starting to be out classed. The point I am making here, this is a good game, always liked it, but that love for the game is growing less and less and I prefer not to quit. I, like so many are here in this rant section are talking about these issues and very much hoping Pixonic will address these issues and do what is right. Funkin was saying how it is for beginners, and the same holds true for anyone with lvl 6 to 9 bot and lvl 6 to 9 weapons, those with lvl 10 and up weapons and bots do have an easier time with the new mm.. but for the majority of users it's a nightmare of loss after loss, which is not fun and many just quit. It takes a lot of time, a lot of time! or a lot of money to get up to tt and many just don't have it.. thanks for reading.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 15, 2017 21:56:41 GMT -5
Except that he is literally tanking so that he can fight noobs. He has stated that because he does not like the new mm, he has the right to quit games and ruin the matches of multiple people until he gets down to the newbie tiers and ruins the matches of noobs as well. He is one of those tankers you are talking about, a true blue sealclubber.
And quite frankly, he will even drag unrelated threads into the mm mudslinging fest because he feels entitled to do so. It's what happened to the first two news threads and the reason why I locked them from that point forward.
However, I will agree that the mm needs to be fixed so that lower level people aren't facing maxed competition. I highly suspect that this is due to tanking however, as my top tier friends have reported that after an adequate amount of matches, they are facing top tier players again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 0:57:36 GMT -5
Haven't seen a TT player since starting a new account. Highest I've seen is 10/10, and even then, only because I temporarily hit 350k avg damage in a hangar that literally has 4 bots with 5 weapons among them (Thunder Ecu Brick fighters), and the outliers had similar avg damage and really bad win rates(probably tanking). All of the stalkers, carnages, and rhinos that I've seen have been low level or utter trash. The only WSP bot I've encountered that has been a problem down low has actually been Fujin, as it's super shield regen is hard for newbies to deal with.(usually takes my thunder spam to keep their shield down else they live forever). Brits are fairly common, but they're real money items, and should have the edge they do at lower levels. Britbots are only a major problem, once again, when piloted by tankers
A lot of the MM salt that could come from newbies is caused by the kind of people that not only complain the loudest here, but 'adapt' by twinking instead of tweaking their general play style.
Once I swap away from brick fighting to a literal WSP only hangar(150k WSP needed before the swap) I see my matches getting out of the newbie zone very quickly, but with my play style, I doubt I'll see any of the issues some of the folks here are being actively malicious over.
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Post by aussieds on Feb 16, 2017 4:43:37 GMT -5
Where would you even start!? So many people have lost interest in the game, slowed or stopped playing, top clans who were ranked in the top 100, disappeared. Guys who were running at 3000 cups are now running at 1000 cups or lower. Most light and medium bots, gold wp, doesnt matter, they have been rendered useless by heavy handed gold bots and many people in gold are using tridents and death button making these light and mediums bots useless. Go into a game look behind you and see 4 dead bots lying on the ground & 1 just standing there not moving and just 30 seconds into the match.. Game isn't broke, nothing to fix? I beg to differ, it is a complete disappointment and a disaster. How about going to springfield and all you see is trident furies and zeus carnages, why so many long range hard hitting snipers in big maps like springfield? Because they quit the maps they don't want to play in and choose only those that fit their hanger set up, game not broken? Of course it is, now we come down to the nuts and bolts of the problem. The new matchmaking is based on skills, the better you perform the higher you go and are moved up to tougher competition. Here is the big problem with this, once you reach a certain win and or damage average you are put in with very high level (TT) top tier type players, you stay there for a number of games as you drastically lose your averages as you take loss after loss because you are thrown in with players with much higher bot and weapon levels and skill levels with those bots. Most others are falling away in losses because they can not play at that level and most likely you are put in with those people that are now on a downward slide like you! That's why it seems so often you are on the losing team so often as you fall back to 48% wins. It's like taking a lightweight champion and matching him up against Mike Tyson. A better matchmaking would be based on boxing. Based on hanger size and bots and weapons this places you in the correct tier. Generally, there are still 3 tiers, bronze, silver and gold. Or like boxing, lightweight, middle weight, heavyweight. Once in that tier, your skills would start you at zero. Then as you progress and get better within that tier you would play against those (in that same tier) but at higher playing levels. Lightweights still stay with lightweights, heavyweights play heavyweights. In other words, your equipment places you in a class within the tier, and your skills move you up in that class. No longer will your 5 gep magnum hangers would play against level 6 natashas with level 2 weapons and only a 3 bot hanger. The geps would be in a silver tier but a higher class within that tier,because of type of bots, hanger size and weapons used. In this example the geps would play in with a high silver group automatically, but his skills would match him with others in that class and at his skill level. In this system, like any other game in existence - football, baseball, bowling, boxing, basketball on and on.. You start out in a certain class/division, if you will, (you don't put high school football players up against nfl pros) then in that division you work your way up and reach and play in your superbowl. We have 'Pixonic insiders' moderating us now, so your dissent will be met with condescension and condemnation for apostasy
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Post by Strayed on Feb 16, 2017 4:55:59 GMT -5
Not really, if you've read my posts, I say that the new mm is broken and agree with people who say that it has to be fixed, however, I am against tanking.
Rather, the one who is condescending currently is you as you are assuming that we happily support everything that Pixo does just because we're pixonic insiders.
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Post by farseeker11 on Feb 16, 2017 5:29:07 GMT -5
Op has it right. Play well, get punished. I fully expected gep and aphid nerfs, made sense to me, but the new mm gives no consistency of play. If I'm a good player in my mid range hanger, why shouldn't I win or lose fairly and then play again in the same general tier? Where is the fun in " no chance" matches, against monster hangers by comparison? To reduce my stats so I can maybe have one good game out of ten? I haven't got the time or inclination to do that. Or to put it another way, I happily spent money during the Christmas event, and not a dime on lunar new year. And I know I'm not alone. I have hopes for league play, when it arrives. As it stands now, my hanger mainly sits and rusts, waiting for a day to shine again.
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Post by ironpiratekllrgrl on Feb 16, 2017 6:36:51 GMT -5
Where would you even start!? So many people have lost interest in the game, slowed or stopped playing, top clans who were ranked in the top 100, disappeared. Guys who were running at 3000 cups are now running at 1000 cups or lower. Most light and medium bots, gold wp, doesnt matter, they have been rendered useless by heavy handed gold bots and many people in gold are using tridents and death button making these light and mediums bots useless. Go into a game look behind you and see 4 dead bots lying on the ground & 1 just standing there not moving and just 30 seconds into the match.. Game isn't broke, nothing to fix? I beg to differ, it is a complete disappointment and a disaster. How about going to springfield and all you see is trident furies and zeus carnages, why so many long range hard hitting snipers in big maps like springfield? Because they quit the maps they don't want to play in and choose only those that fit their hanger set up, game not broken? Of course it is, now we come down to the nuts and bolts of the problem. The new matchmaking is based on skills, the better you perform the higher you go and are moved up to tougher competition. Here is the big problem with this, once you reach a certain win and or damage average you are put in with very high level (TT) top tier type players, you stay there for a number of games as you drastically lose your averages as you take loss after loss because you are thrown in with players with much higher bot and weapon levels and skill levels with those bots. Most others are falling away in losses because they can not play at that level and most likely you are put in with those people that are now on a downward slide like you! That's why it seems so often you are on the losing team so often as you fall back to 48% wins. It's like taking a lightweight champion and matching him up against Mike Tyson. A better matchmaking would be based on boxing. Based on hanger size and bots and weapons this places you in the correct tier. Generally, there are still 3 tiers, bronze, silver and gold. Or like boxing, lightweight, middle weight, heavyweight. Once in that tier, your skills would start you at zero. Then as you progress and get better within that tier you would play against those (in that same tier) but at higher playing levels. Lightweights still stay with lightweights, heavyweights play heavyweights. In other words, your equipment places you in a class within the tier, and your skills move you up in that class. No longer will your 5 gep magnum hangers would play against level 6 natashas with level 2 weapons and only a 3 bot hanger. The geps would be in a silver tier but a higher class within that tier,because of type of bots, hanger size and weapons used. In this example the geps would play in with a high silver group automatically, but his skills would match him with others in that class and at his skill level. In this system, like any other game in existence - football, baseball, bowling, boxing, basketball on and on.. You start out in a certain class/division, if you will, (you don't put high school football players up against nfl pros) then in that division you work your way up and reach and play in your superbowl. Very well said Dragon! Agree with you Funk and Farseeker 110%!!! ???KillerGirl???
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Post by ironpiratekllrgrl on Feb 16, 2017 6:52:14 GMT -5
and they should be intelligent enough not to click on links ot topics they don't want to discuss. But it quite apparent that those who post here and think others don't' have the right to vent or post a topic are the most clueless MM sucks bad because I still cannot load up a diffferent hangar and be equally matched.... and the game at the higher lvls is embarrassingly boring . more than 50% of the players at the top are all snipers sitting back trying not to get to dirty with there triple fury's Range carnages and Natashas doing nothgng more then moving a 100 yds from their spawn point and camping... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can tell you this much if the league system don't fix all that ails this game you can stick a fork in it. people are quitting in mass numbers...... SO hopefully thos noobs wil read this and decide to walk away before they get suckered into a game that the developers are dead set on destroying for the minority of players who complain about Geps I just wanted to say I see nothing here to suggest Funkin is looking to fight noobs, in fact he just wanted to set up his hanger and be equally matched. When I had a 92% win, 620k damage, 8.1 kill average that was based on my skill level and with the equipment i was using (which i built up) There is nothing wrong with having these numbers because I took the game seriously and worked at building up my bots and weapons that worked, anyone could of done the same. Silver was an easier tier to learn the game, develop skills and strategies. I feel blessed, that at least I had that opportunity to be in silver and begin to grow my gold hanger as well. New people today with this new mm don't have such a luxury. A friend of mine just started a new account (first of all not everyone is a big spender of the game, infact many can only spend a limited amount) but he started a new account, he said once his account reached 100k damage he started seeing rhinos and carnages, they were not the best players but some were tankers and others were people already equipping thenselves with this equipment. His low level equipment was already starting to be out classed. The point I am making here, this is a good game, always liked it, but that love for the game is growing less and less and I prefer not to quit. I, like so many are here in this rant section are talking about these issues and very much hoping Pixonic will address these issues and do what is right. Funkin was saying how it is for beginners, and the same holds true for anyone with lvl 6 to 9 bot and lvl 6 to 9 weapons, those with lvl 10 and up weapons and bots do have an easier time with the new mm.. but for the majority of users it's a nightmare of loss after loss, which is not fun and many just quit. It takes a lot of time, a lot of time! or a lot of money to get up to tt and many just don't have it.. thanks for reading. Trust me when I tell you gentlemen, I've been fighting alongside Funken for probably a year now he is not worried about fighting a noob! Our entire clan can go gold to silver anytime! That's not the point, the point is that I should get to choose by which hanger I load, which level I want to play in! There is no reason to have anything but heavy bots and and gold weapons for the game now. Everything else is useless! Oh and yes I did run a 5 gep hanger and kicked ?bum-bum? with it! I would just like to have a fairly matched game again, is that to much to ask? ???KillerGirl???
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Post by Divine Thunder on Feb 16, 2017 7:13:41 GMT -5
If my clan is any reflection of the general population of this game, this game is in serious trouble due to the new matchaking. At the start of this new mm there were 22 pilots in my clan. I had just started to build the clan. Yesterday, i purged six pilots because there activity dropped to zero and had been there for a week. They did not respond to any "calls" on the clan chat. Left one zero in the clan because they were on the LINE chat. But that too has gone unanswered. And i have one more i know has quit because i live with them. Their activity just has not completely tanked but it will.
I lost over a third of my clan and the rest are just shadows of what they use to be.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 16, 2017 8:54:26 GMT -5
Not really, if you've read my posts, I say that the new mm is broken and agree with people who say that it has to be fixed, however, I am against tanking. Rather, the one who is condescending currently is you as you are assuming that we happily support everything that Pixo does just because we're pixonic insiders. The mods are pretty good, actually. There is no shortage of bootlickers here, just not the mods.
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Post by dnasty175 on Feb 16, 2017 10:43:07 GMT -5
I think the mm is great...for the money grubbers at pixonic. They unbalance the system to keep the wallet warriors happy and have the instant gratification crowd spending to catch up.The gep nerf was not to prevent seal clubbing,but farming. Why let people make anywhere from 200-600 gold a day with geps in silver tier when pix can have people pay for it instead. The tiers are gone, light bots and medium bots are all but useless with the exception of a very few. The nerfing of the Gepards was bs. Should be compensating people for those. Lemon laws should apply there.lol my Gepard was a shiny new Ferrari making me gold left and right. Pixonic didn't like that and traded me a 72' rust bucket pos chevette and said it's better this way. Now it's all furys and carnage sniper bots,death button griffy to combat all the shielded bots and same results 95% of the time. The most expensive hangars win. Skill based rankings my 「bum-bum」. That's all the rant I feel like typing now.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Feb 16, 2017 15:58:50 GMT -5
You're totally on point dnasty. But I always ask, why is it best for Pix to allow Au farming to be so easy?
For them, a player pays for a Gep early on (I think people were saying it was like $5) and then farms all the gold they want to fill their hangar with more Geps. Unintentionally they nerfed their own revenue generation (hence they were EBITDA neutral prior to the Mail.ru purchase).
Many on this forum (and the previous version) have long stated that clubbing was going to cause problems. The new MM is a direct result of Pix's efforts to end clubbing as it was seen as depressing potential revenue while driving away potential new"paying" customers.
While I think the current MM is certainly flawed, I also believe clubbers are the main reason we ended up getting it in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 16:22:25 GMT -5
It's interesting how many people still equate "play well" to Top damage.
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Post by ironpiratekllrgrl on Feb 16, 2017 19:15:52 GMT -5
You're totally on point dnasty. But I always ask, why is it best for Pix to allow Au farming to be so easy? For them, a player pays for a Gep early on (I think people were saying it was like $5) and then farms all the gold they want to fill their hangar with more Geps. Unintentionally they nerfed their own revenue generation (hence they were EBITDA neutral prior to the Mail.ru purchase). Many on this forum (and the previous version) have long stated that clubbing was going to cause problems. The new MM is a direct result of Pix's efforts to end clubbing as it was seen as depressing potential revenue while driving away potential new"paying" customers. While I think the current MM is certainly flawed, I also believe clubbers are the main reason we ended up getting it in the first place. I don't agree! Anyone was free to run a 5 gep hanger! I did and I did it very well to fund my gold bots and weapons! BUT! There were many times I got my 「bum-bum」 kicked! They shouldn't have nerfed the geps until they gave the gep clans option to run against each other and enjoy our competition! That's what we enjoyed the most! Let's be honest what they did is stop the farming because it was less cash in their pockets! ???KillerGirl???
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Post by dnasty175 on Feb 16, 2017 19:53:19 GMT -5
I disagree,The seal clubbing was an excuse,not the cause. Matchmaking had already changed that placed the geps in a higher silver bracket facing heavy bots regularly. Most of the gep pilots would rather face other Gepards. That was some of the best and fastest game play imo.The mm algorithm used then limited most noobs from being in the gep tier. Seal clubbing did still occur just on a much less frequent basis.At that time anybody that wanted to be competitive just had to look at any number of forums to find out which tier they wanted to be in and the parameters for that specific tier that matched their gaming style.Farming was financing the gold hangars most were building in the backround. Money was still being spent by the impatient that didn't like to wait 3to5 days for an upgrade. Also the ability to switch out bots and move between the tiers is gone.now it's a forced push to max your hangar in order to have any chance of being competitive much less winning.more and more bots will be introduced to make the older ones obsolete and keep people spending. There are still plenty of wallet warriors out there. People with less than 200 victories sporting almost 12/12 5 bot hangars. The instant gratification generation will keep spending.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Feb 16, 2017 20:16:25 GMT -5
You're totally on point dnasty. But I always ask, why is it best for Pix to allow Au farming to be so easy? For them, a player pays for a Gep early on (I think people were saying it was like $5) and then farms all the gold they want to fill their hangar with more Geps. Unintentionally they nerfed their own revenue generation (hence they were EBITDA neutral prior to the Mail.ru purchase). Many on this forum (and the previous version) have long stated that clubbing was going to cause problems. The new MM is a direct result of Pix's efforts to end clubbing as it was seen as depressing potential revenue while driving away potential new"paying" customers. While I think the current MM is certainly flawed, I also believe clubbers are the main reason we ended up getting it in the first place. I don't agree! Anyone was free to run a 5 gep hanger! I did and I did it very well to fund my gold bots and weapons! BUT! There were many times I got my ?bum-bum? kicked! They shouldn't have nerfed the geps until they gave the gep clans option to run against each other and enjoy our competition! That's what we enjoyed the most! Let's be honest what they did is stop the farming because it was less cash in their pockets! ???KillerGirl??? You basically confirmed my entire reply... Farming for gold meant you didn't have to buy Au. Why should Pix leave that exploit/option available if they want to encourage gold purchases (from a revenue generation perspective). From a business perspective, giving you the option to avoid buying premium currency reduces potential revenue generation. I bet Pix is willing to lose "your" business (someone who farms gold) if they can get 1-2 "new" players who are willing to spend real money for gold...
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Feb 16, 2017 20:29:17 GMT -5
To be clear, au farmers are NOT Pix's target customer base. Neither are top tier players who have nearly all bots and weps.
Their target audience are new/mid-level players who are learning the game and are willing to spend real money for the latest and greatest.
The clubbers were absolutely the cause of the shift in MM in Pix's efforts to pull you out of tiers where you were negatively affecting their "potential" money spenders (and yes 2/9 Geps were in bronze, 4/12 in silver newb areas). New players were either scared off by the Gep's who smashed them, or, became part of the problem and bought Geps and continued the cycle.
I agree that the Gep (and Rog) problem could've been solved by simply placing them with the same mm penalty as Carnages and Rhinos (of course thunder Schutze and mag Destiers would have become the next clubber rig). But alas that wasn't the direction they decided to go...
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 16, 2017 20:31:40 GMT -5
and they should be intelligent enough not to click on links ot topics they don't want to discuss. But it quite apparent that those who post here and think others don't' have the right to vent or post a topic are the most clueless MM sucks bad because I still cannot load up a diffferent hangar and be equally matched.... and the game at the higher lvls is embarrassingly boring . more than 50% of the players at the top are all snipers sitting back trying not to get to dirty with there triple fury's Range carnages and Natashas doing nothgng more then moving a 100 yds from their spawn point and camping... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can tell you this much if the league system don't fix all that ails this game you can stick a fork in it. people are quitting in mass numbers...... SO hopefully thos noobs wil read this and decide to walk away before they get suckered into a game that the developers are dead set on destroying for the minority of players who complain about Geps Quite hard to do that when almost 70% of the topics are about complaining about the new matchmaking. And sometimes, even threads that aren't primarily about the matchmaking get turned into matchmaking complaint threads, such as what you did to the first two news threads. Have I actually banned anyone for making a complaints thread or done anything outside of merging it with another thread or locking it if it gets too out of hand? In fact, I'm not the one who primarily does those things. It seems that you cannot tell the difference between an opinion and what is actually happening. If I really thought that people did not have the right to complain, I would be banning people left and right. I am simply fed up with the amount of complaining and spamming that is going on. If you all limited it to one thread, perhaps we would not have this problem. So you're complaining about not being able to fight noobs? While you may think that the higher tiers are boring, there are also people who don't. Quite frankly, I find the higher tiers more fun because for one, I'm not mainly facing noobs who can't tell the cockpit from their exhaust pipe. I have actually encountered much less sniping in the higher tiers as it is simply not effective and midrange can be countered with a bit of ingenuity. I agree with you there, the leagues system does need to fix the new mm. Pixo has a lot riding on it. I haven't seen many people quit outside of former clubbers though, can you show where you're getting those numbers? People hating on geps being a minority is your opinion, and we will never quite know whether it was a minority of people who hate geps or not. But the anti clubber threads and geps would have turned a lot of people away as well. And people who enjoy the game do still enjoy the game, whether you like it or not. Well i could let you know all 3 clans im in over 1/2 have quit over new mm and one clan dropped from 29th spot to 190 and now working its way up. This was not a clubber clan either. Its from replacing people that left so not all clans that dropped rank is because they were clubbing. From the half remaining most play less than half what they used to. Most are waiting to see what leagues bring out. Expectations arnt high either i expect a mass exodus, from game, when that comes out. Still talk to some that left they recomend Robokrieg.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 20:33:44 GMT -5
To be clear, au farmers are NOT Pix's target customer base. Neither are top tier players who have nearly all bots and weps. Their target audience are new/mid-level players who are learning the game and are willing to spend real money for the latest and greatest. The clubbers were absolutely the cause of the shift in MM in Pix's efforts to pull you out of tiers where you were negatively affecting their "potential" money spenders (and yes 2/9 Geps were in bronze, 4/12 in silver newb areas). New players were either scared off by the Gep's who smashed them, or, became part of the problem and bought Geps and continued the cycle. I agree that the Gep (and Rog) problem could've been solved by simply placing them with the same mm penalty as Carnages and Rhinos (of course thunder Schutze and mag Destiers would have become the next clubber rig). But alas that wasn't the direction they decided to go... All they could have done was ban level 30s from low silver and below.
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 16, 2017 20:37:31 GMT -5
It's interesting how many people still equate "play well" to Top damage. Lol i agree playing as a wingman to someone or capping beacons or containing enemy by hiding, drops your damage but increases your win rate.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Feb 16, 2017 20:43:32 GMT -5
@darkangel, totally agree with that!
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Post by spawnreaper on Feb 16, 2017 21:18:19 GMT -5
I don't agree! Anyone was free to run a 5 gep hanger! I did and I did it very well to fund my gold bots and weapons! BUT! There were many times I got my ?bum-bum? kicked! They shouldn't have nerfed the geps until they gave the gep clans option to run against each other and enjoy our competition! That's what we enjoyed the most! Let's be honest what they did is stop the farming because it was less cash in their pockets! ???KillerGirl??? You basically confirmed my entire reply... Farming for gold meant you didn't have to buy Au. Why should Pix leave that exploit/option available if they want to encourage gold purchases (from a revenue generation perspective). From a business perspective, giving you the option to avoid buying premium currency reduces potential revenue generation. I bet Pix is willing to lose "your" business (someone who farms gold) if they can get 1-2 "new" players who are willing to spend real money for gold... I disagree even alot of farmers are smart enough to know to show support of a good game. I farmed by accident, mainly because i loved playing gepards mainly against other gepards. I supported the game by donating to people in clan that i knew couldnt afford it , bought premuims, bought stuff that was on sale not just for me but others. I would be more than willing to pay a monthly fee to play old mm, this one not so much. As for from a bussiness prospective this new mm has given pix consumer mistrust why buy anything now if its just going to be somthing they are going to nerf badly later. This is a bad move bussiness wise for pix to take even if they get short term gains in revenue. Is your consumer confidence down or up since mm change? For myself its definetly down. In fact i refuse to spend another dime on this game till mm gets fixxed and i know im not the only one out there, even new people in our clan, we tell not to spend anything, and why, till this game gets fixxed. To answer your question on why pix shouldnt dismiss farmers . Gaming history has shown a game without farmers dies, because farmers stimulate the game, they show people how to play. They are often the only ones that give whales the challenge they need to play. Because there are alot of them that play means shorter wait times in que for games. More new people stay in the game because of farmers rather than whales because playing against just other new people grows old and stagnant, which is what this new mm creates. Some farmers cant afford to pay as much as pix wants. Some of these people are kids, students, people from poorer places in the world eg. Russia. This type of gaming system dies if it wont allow these people here. Pix needs to learn a satisfied customer tells 3 friends, a dissatisfied customer tells 10 Tell me after someone buys Tt hanger how much do they spend after? Will they whine when lvls go up to 15 or 20? Or when a superdreadnaut class of bot and weapons come out and make everything in present hangers obsolete? This new mm supports whales with Tt hangers or crappy players that could nvr get over 60%. Everyone else pix gave the one finger salute to, some people are just too naive or inexperienced to see and look ahead at what the new owners at pix have at store for us.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Feb 17, 2017 0:44:34 GMT -5
Nothing Pix provides is guaranteed to remain Op. Everything has moved up and down the scale from OP to nerfed to uselessness.
-Firearms were once dominant. -Rog and Boa were once "the" bots to have. -Rhino was "the" bot to have -Aphids (most recently) went from great, to bad, to great again, and now to "OK".
If you're expecting this game to not experience nerf/buff cycles then you're going to be disappointed in the future.
As to your premise that clubbers "increase" player retention, and that "gaming history has shown a game without farmers dies", I'm going simply say I disagree on that premise. At net, I'm betting that more players drop off than are gained due to seal clubbing.
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