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Post by kingzam on Feb 12, 2017 19:36:56 GMT -5
Where would you even start!? So many people have lost interest in the game, slowed or stopped playing, top clans who were ranked in the top 100, disappeared. Guys who were running at 3000 cups are now running at 1000 cups or lower. Most light and medium bots, gold wp, doesnt matter, they have been rendered useless by heavy handed gold bots and many people in gold are using tridents and death button making these light and mediums bots useless. Go into a game look behind you and see 4 dead bots lying on the ground & 1 just standing there not moving and just 30 seconds into the match.. Game isn't broke, nothing to fix? I beg to differ, it is a complete disappointment and a disaster. How about going to springfield and all you see is trident furies and zeus carnages, why so many long range hard hitting snipers in big maps like springfield? Because they quit the maps they don't want to play in and choose only those that fit their hanger set up, game not broken?
Of course it is, now we come down to the nuts and bolts of the problem. The new matchmaking is based on skills, the better you perform the higher you go and are moved up to tougher competition. Here is the big problem with this, once you reach a certain win and or damage average you are put in with very high level (TT) top tier type players, you stay there for a number of games as you drastically lose your averages as you take loss after loss because you are thrown in with players with much higher bot and weapon levels and skill levels with those bots. Most others are falling away in losses because they can not play at that level and most likely you are put in with those people that are now on a downward slide like you! That's why it seems so often you are on the losing team so often as you fall back to 48% wins. It's like taking a lightweight champion and matching him up against Mike Tyson. A better matchmaking would be based on boxing. Based on hanger size and bots and weapons this places you in the correct tier. Generally, there are still 3 tiers, bronze, silver and gold. Or like boxing, lightweight, middle weight, heavyweight. Once in that tier, your skills would start you at zero. Then as you progress and get better within that tier you would play against those (in that same tier) but at higher playing levels. Lightweights still stay with lightweights, heavyweights play heavyweights. In other words, your equipment places you in a class within the tier, and your skills move you up in that class. No longer will your 5 gep magnum hangers would play against level 6 natashas with level 2 weapons and only a 3 bot hanger. The geps would be in a silver tier but a higher class within that tier,because of type of bots, hanger size and weapons used. In this example the geps would play in with a high silver group automatically, but his skills would match him with others in that class and at his skill level. In this system, like any other game in existence - football, baseball, bowling, boxing, basketball on and on.. You start out in a certain class/division, if you will, (you don't put high school football players up against nfl pros) then in that division you work your way up and reach and play in your superbowl.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 19:52:33 GMT -5
The clans that dropped from the top 100 were definitely clubber clans. I completely agree with this. My win rate never goes above a 42% these days and when it drops below 36%, a victory is thrown at me, when I did not to anything to contribute. Only won 2/14 battles today and all of them were against top tier players.
Really hate this matchmaking. I am OK when losing against a similar opponent with a similar hangar. I am not OK when losing against a top tier player and having the team mates do most of the work.
I just want to have fun in this game. This matchmaking is not allowing me to do so.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Feb 12, 2017 19:53:08 GMT -5
Oh thank god, a new thread on this topic. The 10 「fluffernutter」ing billion already existing threads were not near enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 19:55:13 GMT -5
Oh thank god, a new thread on this topic. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing threads were not near enough. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing members were affected by this crap. We should be allowed to complain.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 12, 2017 20:03:36 GMT -5
Oh thank god, a new thread on this topic. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing threads were not near enough. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing members were affected by this crap. We should be allowed to complain. Not sure how complaining helps, but, hey, whatever floats your goat. i mean, if anything, it just takes up space on the forms.
Anyway, ive been getting great matchups, and my win rate is still about the same number as it was before the MM change.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 12, 2017 20:07:29 GMT -5
I win plenty, and i lose plenty. but, to this date, when i play solo, i havent had any forced losses.
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Post by kingzam on Feb 12, 2017 20:25:00 GMT -5
Went from 92% in silver some gold runs to 48%, went back to 72% then everything i went up against was top tier, about 15 hard level games in a row brought average back down to the 50's.[since playing, have been building gold bots to be more competitive, hense losses stopped in the 50's]. Light and medium bots are useless and not used hardly at all, as I am forced to only use gold level bots. I liked a fast paced game, that was why i liked playing this game, using slow paced bots and drawn into using long range weaponry (not my liking or style - was a good knifefighter) but have to do this to remain at least partially competitive. These things definitely slowed down my interest in the game, and like so many, play less and less. I put this rant on here in the hopes pixonic will understand why so many of my friends quit the game, or greatly slowed down playing and MAYBE they would turn around and FIX it.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 12, 2017 20:29:52 GMT -5
Went from 92% in silver some gold runs to 48%, went back to 72% then everything i went up against was top tier, about 15 hard level games in a row brought average back down to the 50's.[since playing, have been building gold bots to be more competitive, hense losses stopped in the 50's]. Light and medium bots are useless and not used hardly at all, as I am forced to only use gold level bots. I liked a fast paced game, that was why i liked playing this game, using slow paced bots and drawn into using long range weaponry (not my liking or style - was a good knifefighter) but have to do this to remain at least partially competitive. These things definitely slowed down my interest in the game, and like so many, play less and less. I put this rant on here in the hopes pixonic will understand why so many of my friends quit the game, or greatly slowed down playing and MAYBE they would turn around and FIX it. pixonic doesnt read anything on the form, so, the entire purpouse of this thread is redundent.
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Post by blognio on Feb 12, 2017 20:36:11 GMT -5
Tbh I always thought 72% was good
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 12, 2017 20:46:15 GMT -5
Tbh I always thought 72% was good Same. new and old MM, i never went over 60%
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 12, 2017 21:01:21 GMT -5
Thank you, come again!
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Post by Strayed on Feb 12, 2017 21:21:26 GMT -5
Oh thank god, a new thread on this topic. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing threads were not near enough. The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing members were affected by this crap. We should be allowed to complain. And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Feb 12, 2017 21:42:31 GMT -5
The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing members were affected by this crap. We should be allowed to complain. And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. I'm sorry, what's the world population again?
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 12, 2017 21:44:49 GMT -5
And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. I'm sorry, what's the world population again? Key word: Exaggeration
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Post by Strayed on Feb 12, 2017 21:46:56 GMT -5
And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. I'm sorry, what's the world population again? You've never heard of a hyperbole have you...
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Feb 12, 2017 21:51:35 GMT -5
I'm sorry, what's the world population again? You've never heard of a hyperbole have you... Had to search Google for tht, but seriously, I'm sure u know what joking is pffft
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Post by lilryry on Feb 12, 2017 21:53:45 GMT -5
Agree 100% with op, game is broken, I'm not a dev and could see the rubberband effect of this mm the second I heard about it so how they couldn't is beyond me. It will cost them in the long run as spending money on free to play games is only sustainable if the user actually wants to spend it and doesn't feel forced to, and with the new mm if you spend for better bots the game will rig itself so you lose anyways and people lose interest...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:36:55 GMT -5
Couldn't have put it better Kingzam
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Post by FunkenA on Feb 13, 2017 15:51:53 GMT -5
The 10 ?firetruck?ing billion already existing members were affected by this crap. We should be allowed to complain. And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. and they should be intelligent enough not to click on links ot topics they don't want to discuss. But it quite apparent that those who post here and think others don't' have the right to vent or post a topic are the most clueless MM sucks bad because I still cannot load up a diffferent hangar and be equally matched.... and the game at the higher lvls is embarrassingly boring . more than 50% of the players at the top are all snipers sitting back trying not to get to dirty with there triple fury's Range carnages and Natashas doing nothgng more then moving a 100 yds from their spawn point and camping... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can tell you this much if the league system don't fix all that ails this game you can stick a fork in it. people are quitting in mass numbers...... SO hopefully thos noobs wil read this and decide to walk away before they get suckered into a game that the developers are dead set on destroying for the minority of players who complain about Geps
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 18:10:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, what's the world population again? You've never heard of a hyperbole have you... Heard of a hyperbola too, either way neither one you used, really made a point. Just within our group, many are unhappy. So extrapolate from there. Too, many people are ragging on those who are frustrated with the game. I should think that mods and admins would do better to remain a little more impartial, rather than joining in.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 13, 2017 18:37:09 GMT -5
You've never heard of a hyperbole have you... Heard of a hyperbola too, either was neither one you used really made a point. Just within our group, many are unhappy. So extrapolate from there. Too, many people are ragging on those who are frustrated with the game. I should think that mods and admins would do better to ramain a little more impartial, rather than joining in. Why? Are they supposed to be? They can't state their opinions just because they are a mod? Every forum I have been a part of the Mods are just people who enforce the rules.. not some sort of aloof arbiter of forum etiquette that are above such profane things as us simple members. And complaining about the people who are complaining, shouldn't be an issue to the OG complainers... bc they are the first ones to complain about people complaining about their complaints! Either way... no topic is safe from detractors to the OP's premise, as has been proven over and over.at this forum. I tried to make the "respect for the OP's topic" argument in the Gep Love thread when they were getting bombarded by anti-clubbers that already had several anti-clubbing threads, and was shot down. And I am not even a clubber and am, in fact, very much anti-clubber. There is not a single bit of difference here. IMHO, being frustrated with the game is in no way more important and righteous than those of us who are frustrated with the complainers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 18:57:27 GMT -5
Heard of a hyperbola too, either was neither one you used really made a point. Just within our group, many are unhappy. So extrapolate from there. Too, many people are ragging on those who are frustrated with the game. I should think that mods and admins would do better to ramain a little more impartial, rather than joining in. Why? Are they supposed to be? They can't state their opinions just because they are a mod? Every forum I have been a part of the Mods are just people who enforce the rules.. not some sort of aloof arbiter of forum etiquette that are above such profane things as us simple members. And complaining about the people who are complaining, shouldn't be an issue to the OG complainers... bc they are the first ones to complain about people complaining about their complaints! Either way... no topic is safe from detractors to the OP's premise, as has been proven over and over.at this forum. I tried to make the "respect for the OP's topic" argument in the Gep Love thread when they were getting bombarded by anti-clubbers that already had several anti-clubbing threads, and was shot down. And I am not even a clubber and am, in fact, very much anti-clubber. There is not a single bit of difference here. IMHO, being frustrated with the game is in no way more important and righteous than those of us who are frustrated with the complainers. Its a carryover thing from the Wiki forum
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Post by Strayed on Feb 13, 2017 22:07:17 GMT -5
And there are 20 billion people who just want to play the game and browse the forums. and they should be intelligent enough not to click on links ot topics they don't want to discuss. But it quite apparent that those who post here and think others don't' have the right to vent or post a topic are the most clueless MM sucks bad because I still cannot load up a diffferent hangar and be equally matched.... and the game at the higher lvls is embarrassingly boring . more than 50% of the players at the top are all snipers sitting back trying not to get to dirty with there triple fury's Range carnages and Natashas doing nothgng more then moving a 100 yds from their spawn point and camping... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I can tell you this much if the league system don't fix all that ails this game you can stick a fork in it. people are quitting in mass numbers...... SO hopefully thos noobs wil read this and decide to walk away before they get suckered into a game that the developers are dead set on destroying for the minority of players who complain about Geps Quite hard to do that when almost 70% of the topics are about complaining about the new matchmaking. And sometimes, even threads that aren't primarily about the matchmaking get turned into matchmaking complaint threads, such as what you did to the first two news threads. Have I actually banned anyone for making a complaints thread or done anything outside of merging it with another thread or locking it if it gets too out of hand? In fact, I'm not the one who primarily does those things. It seems that you cannot tell the difference between an opinion and what is actually happening. If I really thought that people did not have the right to complain, I would be banning people left and right. I am simply fed up with the amount of complaining and spamming that is going on. If you all limited it to one thread, perhaps we would not have this problem. So you're complaining about not being able to fight noobs? While you may think that the higher tiers are boring, there are also people who don't. Quite frankly, I find the higher tiers more fun because for one, I'm not mainly facing noobs who can't tell the cockpit from their exhaust pipe. I have actually encountered much less sniping in the higher tiers as it is simply not effective and midrange can be countered with a bit of ingenuity. I agree with you there, the leagues system does need to fix the new mm. Pixo has a lot riding on it. I haven't seen many people quit outside of former clubbers though, can you show where you're getting those numbers? People hating on geps being a minority is your opinion, and we will never quite know whether it was a minority of people who hate geps or not. But the anti clubber threads and geps would have turned a lot of people away as well. And people who enjoy the game do still enjoy the game, whether you like it or not.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 13, 2017 22:10:02 GMT -5
You've never heard of a hyperbole have you... Heard of a hyperbola too, either was neither one you used really made a point. Just within our group, many are unhappy. So extrapolate from there. Too, many people are ragging on those who are frustrated with the game. I should think that mods and admins would do better to ramain a little more impartial, rather than joining in. Thanks for the advice dethhilt, I'm just tired of having to micromanage the complaint threads and important threads getting sidetracked by complainers, such as the first two news threads.
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Post by odin63 on Feb 13, 2017 22:48:57 GMT -5
Went from 92% in silver some gold runs to 48%, went back to 72% then everything i went up against was top tier, about 15 hard level games in a row brought average back down to the 50's.[since playing, have been building gold bots to be more competitive, hense losses stopped in the 50's]. Light and medium bots are useless and not used hardly at all, as I am forced to only use gold level bots. I liked a fast paced game, that was why i liked playing this game, using slow paced bots and drawn into using long range weaponry (not my liking or style - was a good knifefighter) but have to do this to remain at least partially competitive. These things definitely slowed down my interest in the game, and like so many, play less and less. I put this rant on here in the hopes pixonic will understand why so many of my friends quit the game, or greatly slowed down playing and MAYBE they would turn around and FIX it. pixonic doesnt read anything on the form, so, the entire purpouse of this thread is redundent. How could you possibly know what Pixonic does or does not read? If Pixonic is shrewd about making money and attracting a wide player base to do this they would be wise to read the forums and get a real sense of what players actually want. Companies send out surveys all the time to more accurately gauge customer wants and needs in order to make profitable adjustments. This forum does all that for Pixonic without any of the time and energy required in setting up such surveys, and using the data generated by them. They would be incredibly shortsighted and foolish not to read the forums.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 13, 2017 22:52:15 GMT -5
Our pixo informant has actually stated that he reads the forums.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 23:31:42 GMT -5
Somehow using informant in relation to a Russian, doesn't build confidence in some. Plus, just because someone reads something, means nothing more than that. Plenty of people are having problems with MM. Its impacting people differently. That's the reality. Its like people are in denial. It should be evident of the unhappiness of some pilots.
To unhappy pilots keep rants in the rants section
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 14, 2017 8:45:23 GMT -5
Somehow using informant in relation to a Russian, doesn't build confidence in some. I completely fail to see how Pixo's nationality has any bearing on anything. Indeed, I find it a very odious and inappropriate line of thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 11:39:01 GMT -5
Somehow using informant in relation to a Russian, doesn't build confidence in some. I completely fail to see how Pixo's nationality has any bearing on anything. Indeed, I find it a very odious and inappropriate line of thinking. I guess you missed the sarcasm point. Where I'm from, an informant is often a criminal used by law enforcement to gather information on a larger crime issue. One can further that to moles and spies. Given the geo-political issues between the USA and Russia it just struck me funny. As far as my line of thinking goes, I do have the right to be inappropriate and odious. Now if it's my words, if serious, and truly reprehensable, to the degree that they violate forum rules then that's another issue. In the end, Russia doesn't mean anything. If there was some issue I really had, why would I be playing a Russian game, and tossing my money to them? Hum? This also isnt the only Russian game I play. Need to lighten up Dredd , and I'm not the only one to say this lately. This isn't the "open" forum, its the rant section, so there also seems to be a little more space here. I ain't here to spread some Red scare propaganda!
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Post by Dredd77 on Feb 14, 2017 12:55:11 GMT -5
I completely fail to see how Pixo's nationality has any bearing on anything. Indeed, I find it a very odious and inappropriate line of thinking. I guess you missed the sarcasm point. Where I'm from, an informant is often a criminal used by law enforcement to gather information on a larger crime issue. One can further that to moles and spies. Given the geo-political issues between the USA and Russia it just struck me funny. As far as my line of thinking goes, I do have the right to be inappropriate and odious. Now if it's my words, if serious, and truly reprehensable, to the degree that they violate forum rules then that's another issue. In the end, Russia doesn't mean anything. If there was some issue I really had, why would I be playing a Russian game, and tossing my money to them? Hum? This also isnt the only Russian game I play. Need to lighten up Dredd , and I'm not the only one to say this lately. This isn't the "open" forum, its the rant section, so there also seems to be a little more space here. I ain't here to spread some Red scare propaganda! You appear to believe that the day I took a position as moderator is the day I stopped getting to have an opinion- or at least every time I chose to express it, it had to be filtered through your impression of what a moderator is supposed to be and/or do. I'm sorry, but I'm as entitled to express an opinion every bit as much as you. If I find something odious and inappropriate, you're just going to have to accept that I may choose to say so. It seems like every forum needs to have someone who fancies themselves the clever rules lawyer, and you're entitled to continue in that position here. But please bear in mind that we can have a disagreement on something without any bearing whatsoever on the fact that I have volunteered to be a mod. As for "not being the only one to say this lately," you are correct. Another individual started a thread about it. I'd say that the majority of respondents in that thread seemed to think things were just fine. Maybe I'm not the problem...?
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