Quick thought experiment about 6 Pack and Components

I think there are a couple of Component weapons that may be OK to add... specifically thinking of the Tempest since it was originally available pre-compnents and may or may not be unbalanced (IDK yet, it was originally allowed in early 6PL games but then the rule that 0 components were allowed came down so it wasn't able to be fully ascertained what the impact would be if it was prolific throughout the leagues. IMO it could go either way).

But I am so enamoured with the way the 6PL is now that I would be VERY hesitant to disrupt it's balance.

As far as level 1 versions being allowed, I definitely don't think that is worth implementing. #1. It's too much complication in this simple concept.

The only real change that I would say needs looking at twice is to allow Mk2 level 4 and below bots/weapons as many folk aren't going to play because their good weapons are already Mk1 12 and they don't want to have to save the WSP to get more Tarans or don't want to spend the time or resources getting a competitive 6PL hangar up from scratch while still playing their MM hangars. But I am not in any sort of position to speak on that. I do think it should be looked at though. A mk2 level 4 is basically the same as Mk1 Level 6 iirc.

It is what it is, though, and right now it works.

IMO, YMMV

The Storm is nearly as strong as the Thunder. The Gust does ~75% of the damage a Thunder does. So even some the weakest of component weapons are out of whack compared to non-component weapons. We'd simply be replacing builds that are easy to obtain, with harder to obtain builds. Add the Tempest into the game and the Molot Griff becomes obsolete, and the Tempest Fury would dominate (6 Pack Robots are slow, strong damage overtime weapons already dominate). Add the Vortex and the Aphid Patton is gone (and probably the Aphid Leo and Jesse).

What's the point of that? If there was some kind of meta problem with 6 Pack that absolutely needed to be addressed I could see adding an easy to obtain component robot or weapon to the game as a last resort to help the meta. But there isn't a problem. We'd only create more problems by adding more content. There is more than enough content.

You should never change something for the sake of change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Then again, if I win a Raven somehow, I won't want to upgrade it past level 1 because of the upgrade costs, so I'd love to use it for 6 pack games!...






still voting no.

Picked the last option of course. But am kind of worried that component free six pack will be hard to sustain when Workshop MKII come along. If I understand correctly everything will effectively be components at that point. Sure we can stick to the old meta, but new folk looking at it won't get it and just we are some sort of 'oddball old school cult' ~(have been called worse I suppose)~, anyway, we can cross that bridge in time.

Not sure what the magic module nonsense will do to it either. Man I am feely fairly dour this fine morning.

Or, maybe because like me some have leveled their Ag,Au bots way past lvl6 to remain competitive and sold the extra stuff to make more Ag. The only sub lvl 6 things would be the extra Kumi, Hover, Inq from supply drops and some oddball weapons like Storm and Gust that one probably has lots of components for, but never sold them in hopes of being able to exchange them.

Can someone answer some questions about 6 pack for me?

I read bots up to and including the gun slinger bots are allowed, nothing before.
I've not been playing that long so I don't know what came before or after.

1. Can someone please post (or point me to) a full list of bots and weapons that are allowed?

2. How often is it? I think I read somewhere it's ever night? is that a requirement? Im interested in teh general concept but is there anyway to casually get in on this? I don't want it to be my primary play but I would'nt mind trying it for fun on a casual basis.

3. Pix is offering prizes but wants live streaming.. Would one possibility be to have 5vs5 with 1-2 "camera men" in kumi's?.. If you could get everyone to agree not to shoot them

I still like the idea of allowing components weapons that are simply new versions of old weapons in different weight classes. The main reason is that it would increase the variety of builds we could use. Instead of the Griffin being the only really viable Molot build, we could run Molot builds on things like Leos and Natashas. And the Molot Griffin wouldn't be completely obsolete--still has a jump that the Fury doesn't. And we wouldn't only see Tempest Furys because Tempests could be just as viable on Raijins and Carnages and even Natashas. Same goes for shotguns. Instead of only seeing Carnages and Raijins with pure shotgun builds, we could have pure shotgun Griffins, Galahads, Stalkers, etc. But again, it's not like that would make the Thunder Carnage totally obsolete, or Punishers useless. Things like Scourges and Shocktrains make things like Punishers and Tulumbas relatively obsolete, but I don't think allowing the complete sets of all the old school weapons should do that and it could dramatically increase the variety of viable builds moreso than reducing them. There might be some problems with it (e.g. Flux being OP and making Trebs obsolete), but I suspect there would be more benefits than issues overall.

Also, with respect to accessibility, plenty of players might have some unleveled components weapons that they would much rather level for 6-pack usage rather than having to devote resources to acquiring additional Orkans and Tarans. Having all of your best gear overleveled for 6-pack is an accessibility issue too. For some people, they'd be able to more quickly and easily build a viable 6-pack hangar if allowed to use a few of these components weapons rather than having to build a 6-pack hangar devoid of any Au gear because they need all that stuff for their main hangar.

I don't expect the current policy to change of course, but I do wish it would. I've already overleveled most of the small number of components weapons I've gotten (2x Gust, 2x Storm, 1x Tempest), but as some examples it would have been much easier for me to get and level a couple of Tempests for 6-pack rather than spending 3k Au on a couple extra Zeus that would never make it to my main hangar because I already have some in my main hangar. I would have also loved to run a Gust Stalker in 6-pack since it seems like a fun build but wouldn't be viable for my main hangar, and is now totally outclassed by the Gust Pursuer in terms of normal play.