Tarastir
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Post by Tarastir on Feb 10, 2017 1:38:50 GMT -5
Hello!
I could use some help with choosing my mid-range 'bot (old high silver/low gold, bots lvl 6-7, weapons lvl 8). I want to use only the things i already have, but some are not upgraded (and i don't want to loose time for this).
Leo - the reload times are similar, but the range is not (and lower than Trident/Zeus);
Carnage - would have to buy second Trident and use them instead of Thunders;
RDB Griffin - would have to lvl up all weapons; lower range than Trident and Zeus;
Molot Griffin - higher range than Trident and Zeus, but worse against shielded 'bots; need to lvl up weapons;
Nashorn Carnage - loooong range, but less damage, struggles against shielded bots;
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 10, 2017 2:01:14 GMT -5
No TT Fury?
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Post by Lionheart on Feb 10, 2017 2:08:59 GMT -5
What bot you use is up to you, but TRIDENTS. Tridents are the holy grail of midrange 「deteriorated bum-bum」ery.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 10, 2017 2:46:02 GMT -5
Either RDB Griff of Carny Trident. Both are rather delicate (every now and then I switch to use either one of them). Molot could also be an option, but guns would need some more upg.
Leo and Nashorn I would not recommend.
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 10, 2017 3:18:54 GMT -5
You're also missing anything with 2 or 3 Zeuses.
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Tarastir
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Post by Tarastir on Feb 10, 2017 3:23:53 GMT -5
You're also missing anything with 2 or 3 Zeuses. Please read the question before giving any answer  "... I want to use only the things i already have..." I don't have any Zeus or Fury. |
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 10, 2017 3:33:01 GMT -5
You're also missing anything with 2 or 3 Zeuses. Please read the question before giving any answer "... I want to use only the things i already have..." I don't have any Zeus or Fury. Sorry, I totally missed that! |
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 10, 2017 3:37:21 GMT -5
I used tridents on a carnage while saving up for a fury. I liked the speed and mobility, and it's difficult catch.
On tight maps, I prefer RDB.
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Post by BlackGrouse on Feb 10, 2017 3:49:28 GMT -5
Carnage - would have to buy second Trident and use them instead of Thunders; RDB Griffin - would have to lvl up all weapons; lower range than Trident and Zeus; In my hangar I have both because my playstyle is more to mid-range. In my Youtube channel there is one old gameplay video where I used only RDB Griffin and Carnage with Tridents. Damage output was (only) 411k. Griffin level 6, Pins level 9, Tulubas level 8/9 Carnage level 6, Tridents level 8/7 I still do have same setups in use, however Griffin is now level 7 with level 9 weapons and Carnage is upgraded to level 8. Video link: War Robots Gameplay - mid-rangers (Yamantau map) I can recommend these two setups and suggest that you start with your RDB Griffin and level up it and weapons. After that - while doing some serious damage to enemy with RDB Griffin - buy missing Trident and level it up for Carnage ! edit: voted for RDB Griffin for now |
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Post by Blurred Vision on Feb 10, 2017 8:55:05 GMT -5
I voted RDB Griff. I tried a 9/9 Trident Carnage for many days, many, many fights, but it just wasn't dealing the damage I'd hoped for or expected. I found myself jockeying around for lines of fire while waiting for the reload. Initially I thought "2/3 the firepower of a TT Fury but on a more mobile/maneuverable bot should rule". But I found it took too many salvos to do meaningful damage. I could take out low-health bots with a couple salvos, but I was just chipping away at a full-health red. Maybe it was cuz I was shooting at L11 or 12 bots with L9 weapons, and the Tridents just need to be leveled up?
Since running a L7 Griff with L7 or L9 CRV Pins & Tulumbas, I seem to be dealing damage for effectively. Granted, the RDB Griff has -100m range, but right now it seems to be the better choice. YMMV.
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Post by cypho on Feb 10, 2017 9:38:24 GMT -5
I voted RDB Griff. I tried a 9/9 Trident Carnage for many days, many, many fights, but it just wasn't dealing the damage I'd hoped for or expected. I found myself jockeying around for lines of fire while waiting for the reload. Initially I thought "2/3 the firepower of a TT Fury but on a more mobile/maneuverable bot should rule". But I found it took too many salvos to do meaningful damage. I could take out low-health bots with a couple salvos, but I was just chipping away at a full-health red. Maybe it was cuz I was shooting at L11 or 12 bots with L9 weapons, and the Tridents just need to be leveled up? Since running a L7 Griff with L7 or L9 CRV Pins & Tulumbas, I seem to be dealing damage for effectively. Granted, the RDB Griff has -100m range, but right now it seems to be the better choice. YMMV. I think this comes down to role expectation. Both setups can be effective and the RDB Griffin of course has the very satisfying instant and significant punch, but it has shorter range and low mobility after the leap, making it vulnerable so you'll probably get fewer rounds off before you're destroyed. The Trident Carnage may have a lower damage output per shot, but the faster reload and speed of the Carnage can make it very effective - you just have to appreciate and accept that it's role is different. It won't deliver as may knock-out blows, but can have significant attritional value over time. Remember, damage is damage and chipping away may not win many 1vs1 battles but can help your teammates win the war. Long way of saying my vote is the trident carnage! |
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Post by miscanthus on Feb 10, 2017 10:00:34 GMT -5
I run both a Trident Carnage and a RDB. Both of them have their place. The RBD is better on the close maps and the Carnage excells on the open ones. You can't go wrong with either choice. Both start to shine when their weapons get to level 8.
I've tried the Molot Griffin with limited success. It's good at harassing Furies and other unshielded bots. Not so great against anything with a shield. I am not giving up on it yet as I still need to level it's weapons higher. The mech is pretty niche but has potential.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 10, 2017 10:11:40 GMT -5
Trident Carnage.
I agree that the RDB has a little better per salvo damage, but you have only 8 secs of reload time after the last shot of the Trident's 3 shots. And if you get good with firing one right after the last shot of the 1st 3, you can provide an almost suppressive effect, which can be murder on anciles. You could do that too, on the RDB, but that is 4 weapons to shoot off one at a time, not two. You are not a Fury, but you can still control an area. Stick and move, never be where they want you to be, but always try to lay down fire where it HELPS the most, not where you can shoot that one camper than doesn't scare you. Help your knifers and cappers. Kill their cappers that threaten your beacons. Don't be just an anti-camper. Be a support bot.
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Feb 10, 2017 10:15:13 GMT -5
I have a 7/9 Carnage that I alternate Thunders and Tridents on. I actually do consistently better with the tridents on the Carnage, but when I get on a roll with the thunders it's pretty amazing. I have tried a single trident setup on a couple other bots and I can say that tridents work much better when there's a least two or more of them. As mentioned previously the issue with the Carnage is the fragility of the bot especially where plasma is concerned.
I have the gold saved up for a Fury and already have three tridents at level 9. I'm just on the fence about spending it on a Fury. However, my experience is that a TT Fury is a nightmare to deal with on any large maps especially when it has cover close by. I've had good luck with the tridents on my carnage, but it's a completely different mindset.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 10, 2017 10:30:50 GMT -5
I have a 7/9 Carnage that I alternate Thunders and Tridents on. I actually do consistently better with the tridents on the Carnage, but when I get on a roll with the thunders it's pretty amazing. I have tried a single trident setup on a couple other bots and I can say that tridents work much better when there's a least two or more of them. As mentioned previously the issue with the Carnage is the fragility of the bot especially where plasma is concerned. I have the gold saved up for a Fury and already have three tridents at level 9. I'm just on the fence about spending it on a Fury. However, my experience is that a TT Fury is a nightmare to deal with on any large maps especially when it has cover close by. I've had good luck with the tridents on my carnage, but it's a completely different mindset. I actually have a Fury, and just enjoy the gameplay of the Carny better. I feel the Fury is too apathetic. Just ambles around, destroying whatever gets near, no rush. Carny is constantly shifting position, possibly to the point of Beacon capture/ defense, wrecking faces and prowling for prey. Fury is to the crew mounted heavy machine gun as the carnage is to the squad SAW gunner. In real world tactical terms. Both are dangerous. Or, in animal terms, Fury is to Grizzly Bears (Shout out to JohnnyGrizz!) as Carnage is to Panthers. |
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Post by nightmarepatrol on Feb 10, 2017 10:35:01 GMT -5
I have lived in states where both of the aforementioned animals exist. Good analogy.
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Post by Blurred Vision on Feb 10, 2017 11:20:15 GMT -5
Good advice here, and really helpful discourse. Colorful & entertaining too  I had a great 4 or 5 game streak with Thunder Carnage where it wreaked absolute havoc, like nighmarepatrol said, which kinda swayed my vote. I love tricky48's analogy of heavy machine gun vs SAW gunner too -- so accurate. I'm sure I'll put Tridents back on the Carnage in the near future for a change of pace. The new MM has forced me to change tactics, and I feel I'm improving as a shooter & pilot, so maybe that evolution will bring me back to Trident Carnage again. |
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 10, 2017 12:57:56 GMT -5
I think the RDB Griffin is slightly more lethal, but Trident Carnage is slightly more survivable. Both are good but use much different styles to get the job done. Carnage seems to be more map-dependent.
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Post by Lionheart on Feb 10, 2017 13:12:31 GMT -5
I love my Carnage, but you know, I also love my Trident/Pin Tasha. If you are good at using her, you can lay down serious support fire your teammates will approve of. Plus, most enemies ignore you until they realize you're draining half their health from 500m in one salvo. Rhinos and Brit bots fear me.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 10, 2017 13:12:47 GMT -5
I think the RDB Griffin is slightly more lethal, but Trident Carnage is slightly more survivable. Both are good but use much different styles to get the job done. Carnage seems to be more map-dependent. I agree, to a point. Lately I have been getting DC and PP a lot, and on a five bot brawl type of match, have ended up in it as the last bot... so far, it has been a pleasant surprise as far as when and where I can use it. There some very obscure firing lanes on both maps, other than the ridge on PP and the two little hills on DC, that give a surprising amount of coverage. And once you have taken center and control it by moving the front up passed it, there are some great elevated points in that bowl that allow awesome coverage. With careful use of the Rush ability, it can even do OK for short periods of close range fighting: with tridents, staying out of their sight and using the splash to get them right before they turn a corner can net a good amount of hits. And with Zeus, the reload time being so short, you can fire them individually every 2.5 - 3 seconds and get a lot of constant damage as long as they don't have a shield or you are getting their soft spots. That said, RDB is the king of mobile MidRange on PP, IMO, and probably on DC, as well. The jump creates firing lanes. |
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Feb 10, 2017 13:20:27 GMT -5
I think the carnage here is the best option. But have you considered a 4x trident butch?
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Post by hulkz1 on Feb 10, 2017 13:44:37 GMT -5
I think the carnage here is the best option. But have you considered a 4x trident butch? I have one. It is so effective it breeds hate and doesnt live long as Pix not only made it slow....it is weak and takes forever just to get back into cover. I shelved it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:28:07 GMT -5
Consider a Trident Pin Natasha. Nearly identical DPS as the Trident Fury, at the cost of 100m range.
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Post by moody on Feb 10, 2017 17:28:58 GMT -5
I think the RDB Griffin is slightly more lethal, but Trident Carnage is slightly more survivable. Both are good but use much different styles to get the job done. Carnage seems to be more map-dependent. I agree, to a point. Lately I have been getting DC and PP a lot, and on a five bot brawl type of match, have ended up in it as the last bot... so far, it has been a pleasant surprise as far as when and where I can use it. There some very obscure firing lanes on both maps, other than the ridge on PP and the two little hills on DC, that give a surprising amount of coverage. And once you have taken center and control it by moving the front up passed it, there are some great elevated points in that bowl that allow awesome coverage. With careful use of the Rush ability, it can even do OK for short periods of close range fighting: with tridents, staying out of their sight and using the splash to get them right before they turn a corner can net a good amount of hits. And with Zeus, the reload time being so short, you can fire them individually every 2.5 - 3 seconds and get a lot of constant damage as long as they don't have a shield or you are getting their soft spots. That said, RDB is the king of mobile MidRange on PP, IMO, and probably on DC, as well. The jump creates firing lanes. I have had a trident carnage go one on one with a DB Galahad at short range and win. I will say that the DB was the wrong choice in the given situation. |
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