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Post by Destroyer on May 10, 2018 9:26:32 GMT -5
8. Lances are great. Preferably with an Ancile. I like mine with Puns. But will use Tarans too. I totally disagree with this. Ancilots will kill 6-pack the same way they caused Pix to introduce dashes to deal with them. Ancilots ARE pay to win, and over-running them will cause players to loose interest quickly. I am very active with 6/6 and refuse to use an Ancilot, not just because of principle, they are really boring to run. This particular bot go against the spirit of 6/6 of being able to assemble a quick cheap hangar and have fun. Ancilots are killjoy, they should be banned from 6/6 and 6 Pack, particularly in tournaments. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 10, 2018 9:40:02 GMT -5
8. Lances are great. Preferably with an Ancile. I like mine with Puns. But will use Tarans too. I totally disagree with this. Ancilots will kill 6-pack the same way they caused Pix to introduce dashes to deal with them. Ancilots ARE pay to win, and over-running them will cause players to loose interest quickly. I am very active with 6/6 and refuse to use an Ancilot, not just because of principle, they are really boring to run. This particular bot go against the spirit of 6/6 of being able to assemble a quick cheap hangar and have fun. Ancilots are killjoy, they should be banned from 6/6 and 6 Pack, particularly in tournaments. That's a bit overboard, but you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I never said get a hangar full of them, but most of us had plenty of then from previous events. No reason not to use them. Also, there are plenty of people, myself included, that are pairing down the amount we use. It is becoming clear that to be too heavy with them is a detriment when against a team that has a good balance of speed and tankiness and firepower. To be all tank will be an issue. Just my opinion, but on the Android side the Lance seems to have peaked, and is on it's way down in popularity. I assume the meta on iOS will follow suit. They have a place, but I am not seeing a recreation of the old pre-dash meta like everyone was afraid of. IMO, YMMV |
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Post by Destroyer on May 10, 2018 10:27:59 GMT -5
most of us had plenty of then from previous events. No reason not to use them. The reason is you will exclude new players to 6/6 and 6 pack because they don't have resources to get one. And just like shock trains, you need one to deal with one or your team will be at disadvantage. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 10, 2018 10:35:26 GMT -5
The reason is you will exclude new players to 6/6 and 6 pack because they don't have resources to get one. And just like shock trains, you need one to deal with one or your team will be at disadvantage. Not true... Hell, even a lone punisher Griff will tear one up. Even if it is wearing an Ancile. Shred it. |
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Post by Destroyer on May 10, 2018 10:40:45 GMT -5
The reason is you will exclude new players to 6/6 and 6 pack because they don't have resources to get one. And just like shock trains, you need one to deal with one or your team will be at disadvantage. Not true... Hell, even a lone punisher Griff will tear one up. Even if it is wearing an Ancile. Shred it. one on one, yes, but 6/6 is rarely 1 on 1, we are on comms. Both teammates will be protected by the ancile. I don't mind running into them on fight night but on tournament it's quite stressful to deal with ancilots. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on May 10, 2018 11:14:13 GMT -5
Not true... Hell, even a lone punisher Griff will tear one up. Even if it is wearing an Ancile. Shred it. one on one, yes, but 6/6 is rarely 1 on 1, we are on comms. Both teammates will be protected by the ancile. I don't mind running into them on fight night but on tournament it's quite stressful to deal with ancilots. Fair enough... One way to deal with them is to run in pairs... have one ancile drainer and one splash, like RBD, ready to take advantage. Even an Aphid Patton is a good bubble popper. Shoot them off 1 at a time to drain them and a DB or RBD can hit with splashy goodness... for example. All I am saying is that they are much more easily countered than in the pre-dash meta. It's a tactical problem, true, but it's a solvable one. Our team was pretty heavy on them once we started to encounter them, following the age-old "fight fire with fire" path, and had much the same complaints about how uncool the meta would become. At first it worked. Now, we see more and more that good teams are overwhelming the Anciles with good anti-ancile tactics. It worked enough to make us reevaluate and adjust our hangars to deal with it. We have found that we need Speed, decent MR, anciles, and plasma to win. Balance across the team, not necessarily across every hangar. Team tactics of every kind win. Our first real wake up call was when a team of mostly Rogs outran our big lumbering tanks. From what I am seeing, it's not just 1 method that a team needs to win... but good map awareness, a basic plan, and good interplay from your teammates can overcome a lot of equipment problems. I am not saying "git gud," because that is a simplistic and 「wee-wee」 way to say it, but just that the beauty of 6/6 is that you really CAN'T just pwn with an over abundance of equipment... even Ancilots. To stay on top, you have to be able to use what you have in conjunction with your team in a way that magnifies the strengths and minimizes the weaknesses. Working out with your team who compliments who before you go in can help a lot. IMO, YMMV. |
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Post by Gilded Wolf on May 10, 2018 11:30:12 GMT -5
one on one, yes, but 6/6 is rarely 1 on 1, we are on comms. Both teammates will be protected by the ancile. I don't mind running into them on fight night but on tournament it's quite stressful to deal with ancilots. Fair enough... One way to deal with them is to run in pairs... have one ancile drainer and one splash, like RBD, ready to take advantage. Even an Aphid Patton is a good bubble popper. Shoot them off 1 at a time to drain them and a DB or RBD can hit with splashy goodness... for example. All I am saying is that they are much more easily countered than in the pre-dash meta. It's a tactical problem, true, but it's a solvable one. Our team was pretty heavy on them once we started to encounter them, following the age-old "fight fire with fire" path, and had much the same complaints about how uncool the meta would become. At first it worked. Now, we see more and more that good teams are overwhelming the Anciles with good anti-ancile tactics. It worked enough to make us reevaluate and adjust our hangars to deal with it. We have found that we need Speed, decent MR, anciles, and plasma to win. Balance across the team, not necessarily across every hangar. Team tactics of every kind win. Our first real wake up call was when a team of mostly Rogs outran our big lumbering tanks. From what I am seeing, it's not just 1 method that a team needs to win... but good map awareness, a basic plan, and good interplay from your teammates can overcome a lot of equipment problems. I am not saying "git gud," because that is a simplistic and ?wee-wee? way to say it, but just that the beauty of 6/6 is that you really CAN'T just pwn with an over abundance of equipment... even Ancilots. To stay on top, you have to be able to use what you have in conjunction with your team in a way that magnifies the strengths and minimizes the weaknesses. Working out with your team who compliments who before you go in can help a lot. IMO, YMMV. Absolutely outstanding post. Ancilots are simply another riddle to be solved. And they have many solutions. |
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Post by Destroyer on May 10, 2018 11:43:13 GMT -5
one build I found that works is a punisher thunder leo. The thunder takes care of the ancile and the punishers take care of the front shield. Problem is, I don't like to run that lumbering leo, I had to just to deal with ancilots.
Another OP bot in 6/6 is the punisher fujin. I had to build a counter to that too, Lucille, ancile magnum leo.
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Post by moody on May 10, 2018 18:34:38 GMT -5
One thing to remember of the meta a year ago - like the real meta now - is that it was the top end of town. Yes all the top end had ancilots - but they were also maxed to 12/12, not at the same level as those 'without'.
A 6/6 ancilot is not as much of a problem to a 6/6 punisher thunder leo as it was in the previous meta when it would be a 12/12 ancilot vs. a 9/10 punisher thunder leo (or 9/10 plasma galahad or whatever).
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Post by khalebwellington on May 18, 2018 16:46:15 GMT -5
What are DB,PDB&RDB What is the big deal with the 6 pack leauge all of a sudden? I've know many people who load out both their hangars for 6/6 long and short range maps. Watch the videos posted to see what the big deal is. |
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Post by khalebwellington on May 18, 2018 16:52:37 GMT -5
What is the big deal with the 6 pack leauge all of a sudden? I've know many people who load out both their hangars for 6/6 long and short range maps. Watch the videos posted to see what the big deal is. What are DB, RDB&PDB?? What about leadhose and gunship?? Am new here, so I dont know much of the terms |
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Post by Gilded Wolf on May 18, 2018 18:46:10 GMT -5
What is the big deal with the 6 pack leauge all of a sudden? I've know many people who load out both their hangars for 6/6 long and short range maps. Watch the videos posted to see what the big deal is. It needs to be said that multiple hangars outfitted for 6 Pack League itself is strictly not allowed. I just want to avoid any confusion. You get one 6 Pack hangar for tournament play. That doesn't extend to any other organized 6/6 play that iOS may have...I can't speak for that. I missed this post somehow and would have commented on it earlier. My apologies. |
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Post by Gilded Wolf on May 18, 2018 18:52:14 GMT -5
I've know many people who load out both their hangars for 6/6 long and short range maps. Watch the videos posted to see what the big deal is. What are DB, RDB&PDB?? What about leadhose and gunship?? Am new here, so I dont know much of the terms DB is Death Button, which is orkan/pinata on any bot. RDB is Russian Death Button, which is tulumbas/pins on any bot. PDB is Plasma Death Button, which is tarans/magnums on any bot. The term Death Button associated with plasma is a bit of a misnomer in my opinion, as it's not really the same as a true Death Button. Leadhoses and gunships refer to any bot outfitted exclusively with punishers (but most commonly Griffin and Rhino). |
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Post by [NovR] VR-01 on May 18, 2018 20:38:56 GMT -5
Hey don't forget the Thunder Ancile Punisher Natasha!
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Post by moody on May 19, 2018 19:20:22 GMT -5
What are DB, RDB&PDB?? What about leadhose and gunship?? Am new here, so I dont know much of the terms DB is Death Button, which is orkan/pinata on any bot. RDB is Russian Death Button, which is tulumbas/pins on any bot. PDB is Plasma Death Button, which is tarans/magnums on any bot. The term Death Button associated with plasma is a bit of a misnomer in my opinion, as it's not really the same as a true Death Button. Leadhoses and gunships refer to any bot outfitted exclusively with punishers (but most commonly Griffin and Rhino). Gunship is generally molots. |
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Post by Domino on May 27, 2018 10:33:36 GMT -5
What's great about 6 pack is that if something were to get out of hand. I.e a whole team of Ancilot for example. We as a community can decide some rules for the game and everyone will adhere.
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