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Post by shaolinrogue on Feb 7, 2017 10:12:29 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
Just a quick thought. What if you were restricted to only having 1 robot of each type in your hanger. That would avoid players relying on a full hanger of Geps at low levels, triple trident Fury at TT etc. Personally, I run a varied hanger myself and usually have a robot to counter anything the red team might have. I seldom find myself stymied by one particular bot on the other team.
On a side note, if Pix introduces different game modes certain bots will only dominate certain types of play. For example, if they go ahead with the modified CTF (central goal to return to your base), most heavies will be useless. That game mode belonging to lights and faster medium robots.
Back to the original topic:
Would it help balance the game to restrict hangers to 1 of each Robot type?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 10:20:20 GMT -5
Probably, but they'd need to replace existing bots with ones of similar level/equipment. I'd also imagine the screams from team Britbot (players with only britbots) would go on for some time.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 7, 2017 10:21:43 GMT -5
No.
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Post by Trogon on Feb 7, 2017 10:26:49 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Just a quick thought. What if you were restricted to only having 1 robot of each type in your hanger. That would avoid players relying on a full hanger of Geps at low levels, triple trident Fury at TT etc. Personally, I run a varied hanger myself and usually have a robot to counter anything the red team might have. I seldom find myself stymied by one particular bot on the other team. On a side note, if Pix introduces different game modes certain bots will only dominate certain types of play. For example, if they go ahead with the modified CTF (central goal to return to your base), most heavies will be useless. That game mode belonging to lights and faster medium robots. Back to the original topic: Would it help balance the game to restrict hangers to 1 of each Robot type? I would be opposed to a 1 bot per type limit. I also disagree that light/mediums will rule modified CTF. The heavy bots would still be effective at stopping the reds from reaching the objective and protecting the blues while returning to base.
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Post by shaolinrogue on Feb 7, 2017 10:35:42 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Just a quick thought. What if you were restricted to only having 1 robot of each type in your hanger. That would avoid players relying on a full hanger of Geps at low levels, triple trident Fury at TT etc. Personally, I run a varied hanger myself and usually have a robot to counter anything the red team might have. I seldom find myself stymied by one particular bot on the other team. On a side note, if Pix introduces different game modes certain bots will only dominate certain types of play. For example, if they go ahead with the modified CTF (central goal to return to your base), most heavies will be useless. That game mode belonging to lights and faster medium robots. Back to the original topic: Would it help balance the game to restrict hangers to 1 of each Robot type? I would be opposed to a 1 bot per type limit. I also disagree that light/mediums will rule modified CTF. The heavy bots would still be effective at stopping the reds from reaching the objective and protecting the blues while returning to base. Personally, I also do not see the need for the bot restriction either, but so many people complain about hangers full of bot X it may force them to look at their approach to combat when that is no longer an available scapegoat. You're absolutely right that heavies would have their place in traditional CTF (this game mode would probably promote the most balance), but the modified version Pix is proposing would see the lights to the objective and back before a heavy could waddle within range. Faster mediums might get within 600-400 to help out, it would depend on the map and how long the initial engagement between the light mechs last.
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Post by IRON Mechhuntr. Amazon. on Feb 7, 2017 10:41:08 GMT -5
It would do my head in, but would be interesting as an alternative game type. Lately it just feels like 'march of the ancelots' anyway. I'd like to try it out, but not be forced into it. Like olives.
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Post by sonofsam on Feb 7, 2017 12:19:27 GMT -5
I really don't think it would promote diversity because most people would run the same hanger if Tri-Fury Ancleot Hellfire Rhino DB Griffin Thunder/Pinta Leo Was the best hanger on the game then that is what most people would have. (Bots were just the first 5 tough bots that came to my head)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 12:31:47 GMT -5
"Highlander" is what you're looking for. The only game I've seen it used is Team fortress 2, they limit each class to 1 at a time on the field. It was mostly for competetive matches though, so, in War Robots, it could totally be a different game mode.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 7, 2017 13:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:03:53 GMT -5
Duct tape that boy!
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Post by blastronaut on Feb 7, 2017 15:12:51 GMT -5
I'd say no with a but.
I'd be fine if they restricted running two of the exact same bot/weapon in a hangar.
This way Fury lovers could use triple Trident, Zeus, Thunder, Trebuchet, Zenit all in a single hangar.
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Post by ŞĆĦŇIŦŽ€Ł on Feb 7, 2017 15:28:08 GMT -5
As someone who runs two galahads, I disapprove
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:11:14 GMT -5
I'd support that idea if Pix releases ~50 bots.
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Post by Muhlakai on Feb 7, 2017 20:29:53 GMT -5
Would it help balance the game to restrict hangers to 1 of each Robot type? The short answer is no. It wouldn't help at all. Worse, though, there's diversity that it would actually *eliminate.* Lemme share... My brickfighting thread here in the forums was a completely new perspective for lots of folks on how to run one of the most under appreciated bots, the Boa. Boas haven't been considered OP with any setup since before Rhinos came out and most folks just pass by the toaster. My strategy guide gave folks a new way to use the trusty Ag bot and people had tons of fun with the strategy. ....but that strategy works best when you can pour the Boas out of your hangar one after another. Does that mean that it's unbalanced? Nope, but for folks without much Au the Boa and brickfighting can be a reliable path to victory and learning useful aggressive tactics on the field. It gives more people more tools to try more things in the future with more success. Limit the number of Boas that folks can use, though, and their learning can still happen, but more slowly. They'll develop better hangars, but with less of an ability to top their charts. You won't have gained anything but you'll have lost a lot.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 7, 2017 21:13:49 GMT -5
a Rooney rule for bots... no no a thousand no's
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Post by shaolinrogue on Feb 8, 2017 13:02:49 GMT -5
Would it help balance the game to restrict hangers to 1 of each Robot type? The short answer is no. It wouldn't help at all. Worse, though, there's diversity that it would actually *eliminate.* Lemme share... My brickfighting thread here in the forums was a completely new perspective for lots of folks on how to run one of the most under appreciated bots, the Boa. Boas haven't been considered OP with any setup since before Rhinos came out and most folks just pass by the toaster. My strategy guide gave folks a new way to use the trusty Ag bot and people had tons of fun with the strategy. ....but that strategy works best when you can pour the Boas out of your hangar one after another. Does that mean that it's unbalanced? Nope, but for folks without much Au the Boa and brickfighting can be a reliable path to victory and learning useful aggressive tactics on the field. It gives more people more tools to try more things in the future with more success. Limit the number of Boas that folks can use, though, and their learning can still happen, but more slowly. They'll develop better hangars, but with less of an ability to top their charts. You won't have gained anything but you'll have lost a lot. 10 Points to House Muhlakai for the excellent advice. Loved my Boa and I still use it over my Leo often. As I stated before I don't have a problem with someone who wants to run 5 triple trident furies, but I constantly see people complaining about hangers full of geps or fury etc. I fail to see the problem myself but others seem to think it exists. Oddly, though, I don't see any posts from anyone who has an issue with 5 fury hangers in this thread. Could it be they just want to cry out in frustration but know they do not have a logical argument to back it up? When I see a hanger of one type of bot, I think "one-dimensional player". Figure out how to kill him once and you will own his other 4 bots as well. Glad to hear from people who don't think it needs to be overhauled for a change. The "Silent Majority" I suppose .
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 8, 2017 13:38:10 GMT -5
The short answer is no. It wouldn't help at all. Worse, though, there's diversity that it would actually *eliminate.* Lemme share... My brickfighting thread here in the forums was a completely new perspective for lots of folks on how to run one of the most under appreciated bots, the Boa. Boas haven't been considered OP with any setup since before Rhinos came out and most folks just pass by the toaster. My strategy guide gave folks a new way to use the trusty Ag bot and people had tons of fun with the strategy. ....but that strategy works best when you can pour the Boas out of your hangar one after another. Does that mean that it's unbalanced? Nope, but for folks without much Au the Boa and brickfighting can be a reliable path to victory and learning useful aggressive tactics on the field. It gives more people more tools to try more things in the future with more success. Limit the number of Boas that folks can use, though, and their learning can still happen, but more slowly. They'll develop better hangars, but with less of an ability to top their charts. You won't have gained anything but you'll have lost a lot. 10 Points to House Muhlakai for the excellent advice. Loved my Boa and I still use it over my Leo often. As I stated before I don't have a problem with someone who wants to run 5 triple trident furies, but I constantly see people complaining about hangers full of geps or fury etc. I fail to see the problem myself but others seem to think it exists. Oddly, though, I don't see any posts from anyone who has an issue with 5 fury hangers in this thread. Could it be they just want to cry out in frustration but know they do not have a logical argument to back it up? When I see a hanger of one type of bot, I think "one-dimensional player". Figure out how to kill him once and you will own his other 4 bots as well. Glad to hear from people who don't think it needs to be overhauled for a change. The "Silent Majority" I suppose . that is the difference between a bot and a hanger. you want a very varied hanger to combat the most bots possible, but a bot needs to be specialized to succeed on the role you made it for. A specialized hanger is like a varied bot, it will not do well.
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Post by Muhlakai on Feb 8, 2017 16:12:26 GMT -5
that is the difference between a bot and a hanger. you want a very varied hanger to combat the most bots possible, but a bot needs to be specialized to succeed on the role you made it for. A specialized hanger is like a varied bot, it will not do well. The evidence in your favor is so strongly outweighed by counter examples that it's silly for you to throw that out like it's acknowledged fact. Start with the brickfighting thread I mentioned. Then look at the hangars of most TT players. They aren't full of single-purpose bots that do different things, but rather they're mostly full of the same kind of bot with probably no more than one bot that's different. The hangars are predominantly specialized for the specific roles that the player fills best. The military has a maxim, "A poor plan executed perfectly beats a perfect plan executed poorly." In fact, I'll go a step farther: if you have more than three different setups (bot/weapon) in your hangar I would argue that you're TOO generalized! Instead of filling your hangar with one-trick ponies you need to have bots that perform multiple roles fairly well. The chances that your "unicorn hangar" will have exactly the right bot for exactly the right time is going to be lower than the chances that you're dropping a disadvantaged bot at least once per game. Give me bots I'm confident to go to every time. Jeff Cooper, the father of modern handgun technique, was famous for saying, "Beware the (pilot) with one (bot duplicated in every slot of his hangar). He probably knows how to use it." ...or at least, he said something very similar. ?
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 8, 2017 18:00:39 GMT -5
Promote diversity? I say we organize pride parades... Maybe have a rainbow paintjob option available for bots
Wait.. Are we talking about the same thing?
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Post by Muhlakai on Feb 8, 2017 19:07:36 GMT -5
Promote diversity? I say we organize pride parades... Maybe have a rainbow paintjob option available for bots Wait.. Are we talking about the same thing? Oh, crud. Well, since you gave ME this mental image I shouldn't be the only one to suffer.... ___________________________________________________________________ "Oh, folks, up next is a real treat. It's the Forum float! They've really gone all out for today. Their giant float is festooned like a giant pink cloud with a rainbow running all the way front to back, arching into the sky. Bots are all over this thing, dancing. Right in front is a trio of all three Britbots. All of them are wearing pink princess cone hats with long streamers. Their shields have been repainted just for this event and it looks like the Lance even has big lips painted right below the cockpit. The Lance is in the middle and the Lance and Gary have their shields swinging back and forth to the beat of the music. Whoa! Looks like the Lance just let out a double flame fart for color! Behind them is a pair of Leos in evening gowns, throwing theirr own party with Gekkos and some deep-bass Thunders! Oh, and running along the side of the float are some Schutzes. They've got Thunders, too, and something painted on their hulls. What does that say? They're so much smaller and lower to the ground it's hard to-- oh, hahaha! They say "Thunder down under!" How clever! Oh, look! On the back of the float is a bunch of green Cossacks jumping around, what is that, a pot of gold? Holy smokes! Nope, that's a bot-sized pot filled with a golden Griffin jumping out of it! Well, that's amazing! Check this out! The Forum krewe has a whole bunch of bots following the float and dancing! In the front of the group is an entire team of six Natashas wearing bikinis! Oh my goodness, I think those are so tight hey must be painted! They're covering those luscious turbines right in front. They've got a sign in front of them. It says, 'Beauty in all shapes and sizes!' That reminds me of those Leos that were on the float! There's Rogatkas wearing what look to be peacock feathers jumping all over, Pattons with more dance party lasers and a drum line of Thunder Orkan Boas. Oh, and more! Here come Rhinos with their shields going up and down. One of them even has a ribbon sash that says.... um.... oh! It says "Biggest Action." Oh, wait, that one has one, too. Several do! They all say different things. Let's see, we have "Large and in charge" and "Fast in the field, slow in the hangar." Oh, here's "Shields down for love," and... oh, they're moving past. Behind them are the spiders! Oh, would you look at that? They're all wearing black fishnet stockings! And so are the Carnages running through! The Carnages are launching flaming sparklers into the air with their Zenits, just like the Noricum Destriers and Geps behind them! Such a pretty sight with all of the flashing and glittering in the air! Oh, my goodness, they really outdid themselves this year! What a great parade entry!"
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Post by Feezou on Feb 9, 2017 11:13:57 GMT -5
Yes, but no. Let's say, you had your beacon capper left over late in the game. You're screwed.
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Post by Feezou on Feb 9, 2017 11:15:00 GMT -5
Yes, but no. Let's say, you had your beacon capper left over late in the game. You're screwed.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 10, 2017 11:05:39 GMT -5
Yes, but no. Let's say, you had your beacon capper left over late in the game. You're screwed. dat double posting though...
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Post by Yawgmoth on Feb 10, 2017 11:08:11 GMT -5
Maybe as separate gametype
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 10, 2017 11:09:41 GMT -5
Maybe as separate gametype however, pix, unlike supercell, takes their game seriously. oh well...
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Post by Yawgmoth on Feb 10, 2017 11:12:58 GMT -5
Maybe as separate gametype however, pix, unlike supercell, takes their game seriously. oh well... Not following. What do you mean by this? From, Man with clever whit lost on him
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 10, 2017 12:43:57 GMT -5
however, pix, unlike supercell, takes their game seriously. oh well... Not following. What do you mean by this? From, Man with clever whit lost on him supercell had an update after a long time and they added a leaf blower, aka the air sweeper. Pix had an update after a short time and added the camelot bots. take your pick who is more focused on their game.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Feb 10, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -5
Promote diversity? I say we organize pride parades... Maybe have a rainbow paintjob option available for bots Wait.. Are we talking about the same thing? Oh, crud. Well, since you gave ME this mental image I shouldn't be the only one to suffer.... ___________________________________________________________________ "Oh, folks, up next is a real treat. It's the Forum float! They've really gone all out for today. Their giant float is festooned like a giant pink cloud with a rainbow running all the way front to back, arching into the sky. Bots are all over this thing, dancing. Right in front is a trio of all three Britbots. All of them are wearing pink princess cone hats with long streamers. Their shields have been repainted just for this event and it looks like the Lance even has big lips painted right below the cockpit. The Lance is in the middle and the Lance and Gary have their shields swinging back and forth to the beat of the music. Whoa! Looks like the Lance just let out a double flame fart for color! Behind them is a pair of Leos in evening gowns, throwing theirr own party with Gekkos and some deep-bass Thunders! Oh, and running along the side of the float are some Schutzes. They've got Thunders, too, and something painted on their hulls. What does that say? They're so much smaller and lower to the ground it's hard to-- oh, hahaha! They say "Thunder down under!" How clever! Oh, look! On the back of the float is a bunch of green Cossacks jumping around, what is that, a pot of gold? Holy smokes! Nope, that's a bot-sized pot filled with a golden Griffin jumping out of it! Well, that's amazing! Check this out! The Forum krewe has a whole bunch of bots following the float and dancing! In the front of the group is an entire team of six Natashas wearing bikinis! Oh my goodness, I think those are so tight hey must be painted! They're covering those luscious turbines right in front. They've got a sign in front of them. It says, 'Beauty in all shapes and sizes!' That reminds me of those Leos that were on the float! There's Rogatkas wearing what look to be peacock feathers jumping all over, Pattons with more dance party lasers and a drum line of Thunder Orkan Boas. Oh, and more! Here come Rhinos with their shields going up and down. One of them even has a ribbon sash that says.... um.... oh! It says "Biggest Action." Oh, wait, that one has one, too. Several do! They all say different things. Let's see, we have "Large and in charge" and "Fast in the field, slow in the hangar." Oh, here's "Shields down for love," and... oh, they're moving past. Behind them are the spiders! Oh, would you look at that? They're all wearing black fishnet stockings! And so are the Carnages running through! The Carnages are launching flaming sparklers into the air with their Zenits, just like the Noricum Destriers and Geps behind them! Such a pretty sight with all of the flashing and glittering in the air! Oh, my goodness, they really outdid themselves this year! What a great parade entry!" "HEEEEEEEEEY!!! TWO SNAPS AND A HIP BUMP BABY!" Sounds like my kinda party girlfriend! Count the Rat in on this Ho'Down
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Feb 10, 2017 13:00:25 GMT -5
I generally dislike restrictions on play style. I think it's better to create incentives for diversity by properly balancing the game so that a wide variety of play styles can succeed.
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Post by SATmaster728 on Feb 10, 2017 13:41:09 GMT -5
I generally dislike restrictions on play style. I think it's better to create incentives for diversity by properly balancing the game so that a wide variety of play styles can succeed. i think they should add a create your own bot thing for every class, for 1250 gold for a light, 2500 for a medium, and 5000 for a heavy. there will be restrictions, so you cannot create an op bot, like a limit on weapon slots, one ability, etc. this would add a creation mechanic that wouldn't be op as it would cost the same as the gold bots.
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