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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 4, 2017 12:25:41 GMT -5
Since not many people really read the developer news, here is something I think might be of general interest and should be maybe highlighted: "League system: There will be higher rewards for climbing to higher divisions. Pixonic is planning on taking out Missions(The daily task system that gives out 30 or 40 gold depending on the task you do). Pixonic wants the league system to do what the daily task system was originally supposed to do(reward higher tier play) but better." Now, i thik that is a terrible, terrible idea: the new MM by itself didn't, but together with this it is going to make the game a pay-for-play only. New players will have no way to build aminimally competitive hangar without that bit of gold more or less assured daily. I've wrote the following comment as a post on the game's facebook page, but then I noticed they disabled them, so I added it as a comment here: "Greetings From the wikia forum, we read this: "League system: There will be higher rewards for climbing to higher divisions. Pixonic is planning on taking out Missions(The daily task system that gives out 30 or 40 gold depending on the task you do). Pixonic wants the league system to do what the daily task system was originally supposed to do(reward higher tier play) but better." I strongly beg to reconsider this insensate position. Already with the new MM, most players have no real way to earn gold but completing the daily missions. This allows for a slow build of decent hangars even for not paying players. If newbies and free players will see no clear way to play in a minimally competitive way without essentially having to pay cash for gold, they will simply leave (to be noted, the frustration with the new MM is already palpable). Now, I do understand Pix is not a charity company and is looking for money, and bless you for that. However, the game need a large number of players to stay interesting and essentially crushing free-for-play players' hopes of being able to slowly grinding their way to a few gold bots might perhaps give you a brief boost of cash in the short term, but is going to be devastaingly bad in the mid term. Please, reconsider this." Please, if you are concerned about this, cosnider chiming in by replying to the comment here |
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Post by sonofsam on Feb 4, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
Though I'm not happy about the Dallies going away that I can actually understand. Pix is in the business of making money. They have apparently always said they wanted to build a player base then monetize it. Taking away the dallies forces people to buy an extra 1800 gold every month to stay on par with what they are getting now so I actually understand the logic here. I can understand the logic of making gold a little harder to get in the matches too maybe 3_2,1 for damage and 3 for beacons. Again I didn't say I like it I'm just saying it makes sense with the strategy they implemented in the monetization of the game. The only move that hasn't made sense is the MM if you throw noons in with whales and watch them go boom over and over they aren't going to pay. They are going to leave. They say that the league system coming out with 2.6 is supposed to make things better. Hopefully "league" is some sort of codeword for "tier" or something similar otherwise this MM will kill the game in fairly short order.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 4, 2017 13:23:44 GMT -5
as I said, bless them for wanting ot make money and yes, i totally understand the motives behind such a change... but making it impossible for "free" players to compete in any way, even on the long run, will drasticly reduce the playerbase and decimate the influx of new players, which will just likewise kill the game once only the first generation players (who had time to build hangars under the old system) and people willing to pay will remain.
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Post by hyderier on Feb 4, 2017 13:46:05 GMT -5
The tasks are kinda boring mostly, as they are now. If there's a way to get about equal daily gold for everybody otherwise, then it is not a big loss.
However, if this takes away the single reasonable way for casual players to earn useful amounts of gold by playing, then it will indeed be bad, and drive out a lot of the casual players.
And when some start to leave because things are too tough (it is irrelevant wether reason is lack of skill, having Ag stuff against Au stuff, or broken MM algorithm which doesn't take these things in to account properly), then this puts even more pressure on the remaining underperforming players, so more leave. A nasty feedback loop. And then paying players are fighting relatively more other paying players, so will also have tougher time and will not benefit from paying.
Let's hope the league system will work. But I am not optimistic about it, as every system is just too easy to subvert... And let's face it, most people prefer to be amomg the "good" players with that 80-90% win rate... even if achieved "unfairly".
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 13:52:37 GMT -5
The missions they are removing are:pilot of the day/hour/week. No one said anything about the daily TASKS for 30-40 gold.
I mistakenly confused these at first myself. However the daily tasks have not been slated to dropped to anyones knowledge.
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Post by gamingbulldog on Feb 4, 2017 14:05:37 GMT -5
Though I'm not happy about the Dallies going away that I can actually understand. Pix is in the business of making money. They have apparently always said they wanted to build a player base then monetize it. Taking away the dallies forces people to buy an extra 1800 gold every month to stay on par with what they are getting now so I actually understand the logic here. I can understand the logic of making gold a little harder to get in the matches too maybe 3_2,1 for damage and 3 for beacons. Again I didn't say I like it I'm just saying it makes sense with the strategy they implemented in the monetization of the game. The only move that hasn't made sense is the MM if you throw noons in with whales and watch them go boom over and over they aren't going to pay. They are going to leave. They say that the league system coming out with 2.6 is supposed to make things better. Hopefully "league" is some sort of codeword for "tier" or something similar otherwise this MM will kill the game in fairly short order. I'm not happy about it either, but having higher rewards depending on your league might mean you get the extra gold from that (although they were very vague). Plus, this should give players a more reliable way to gauge where they are. |
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Post by sonofsam on Feb 4, 2017 14:13:57 GMT -5
The missions they are removing are:pilot of the day/hour/week. No one said anything about the daily TASKS for 30-40 gold. I mistakenly confused these at first myself. However the daily tasks have not been slated to dropped to anyones knowledge. If that is true it makes a HUGE difference. 99% of people (me included) will change their response to "who cares" |
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 4, 2017 14:40:18 GMT -5
The missions they are removing are:pilot of the day/hour/week. No one said anything about the daily TASKS for 30-40 gold. I mistakenly confused these at first myself. However the daily tasks have not been slated to dropped to anyones knowledge. No, that's not how I read it. There are no daily/weekly/monthly Missions at all that are 40 Au. Only the daily Tasks are paid out specifically in gold at 30 or 40 increments. Very few pilots compete or care about the daily/weekly/monthly Missions. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 14:43:41 GMT -5
The missions they are removing are:pilot of the day/hour/week. No one said anything about the daily TASKS for 30-40 gold. I mistakenly confused these at first myself. However the daily tasks have not been slated to dropped to anyones knowledge. It appears as mentioned in the OP that you did not read Developer News, it says "daily tasks". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 14:50:44 GMT -5
Though I'm not happy about the Dallies going away that I can actually understand. Pix is in the business of making money. They have apparently always said they wanted to build a player base then monetize it. Taking away the dallies forces people to buy an extra 1800 gold every month to stay on par with what they are getting now so I actually understand the logic here. I can understand the logic of making gold a little harder to get in the matches too maybe 3_2,1 for damage and 3 for beacons. Again I didn't say I like it I'm just saying it makes sense with the strategy they implemented in the monetization of the game. The only move that hasn't made sense is the MM if you throw noons in with whales and watch them go boom over and over they aren't going to pay. They are going to leave. They say that the league system coming out with 2.6 is supposed to make things better. Hopefully "league" is some sort of codeword for "tier" or something similar otherwise this MM will kill the game in fairly short order. I'm not happy about it either, but having higher rewards depending on your league might mean you get the extra gold from that (although they were very vague). Plus, this should give players a more reliable way to gauge where they are. If you did your daily tasks, you would be guaranteed 60-70gold, plus anyone in games. What are you guaranteed with this new system. You really believe, or want to, that PIX is gonna help you do better. Not thinking so much. So we will probably end up with no dependable earning of gold, an MM that changes all the time, and a league system that they will probably screw up as has as MM. I pay at times, but I will not play a game where I constantly have to pay. Sounds like an MM within an MM! |
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 14:54:26 GMT -5
The notice put out by Pixonic states they will remove the "Missions".
If they remove the daily TASKS as well I will be concerned. However their announcement on Facebook only mentioned "Missions".
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Post by Ron Gaul on Feb 4, 2017 15:22:52 GMT -5
If you did your daily tasks, you would be guaranteed 60-70gold, plus anyone in games. What are you guaranteed with this new system. You really believe, or want to, that PIX is gonna help you do better. Not thinking so much. So we will probably end up with no dependable earning of gold, an MM that changes all the time, and a league system that they will probably screw up as has as MM. I pay at times, but I will not play a game where I constantly have to pay. Sounds like an MM within an MM! Missions are not tasks. Tasks are the daily tasks, with the 30-40 Au rewards. Missions are the "Player of the Day/Week/Month". Which...the same people always win. So who cares? Tasks, apparently, are not going anywhere. Missions are what is being replaced. [distributes chill-pills] Everybody relax. War Robots is NOT becoming PTW. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 15:43:53 GMT -5
Strayeds post states daily tasks, period. So if his statement is changed or clarified, then I'm trustin him. As far as your pills,you take em. Don't tell, or rather insult others by saying relax, and you have no clue if it will not PTW, PTP, etc.
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 4, 2017 16:41:11 GMT -5
So, either they are removing the missions and it was wrongly reported on forum that they will remove the tasks, so much that they indicated the gold amounts (I hope so) or they are actually removing the daily tasks.
Anyone knows which is, for sure?
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Post by bearre on Feb 4, 2017 16:49:02 GMT -5
Pixonics Facebook announcement clearly stated missions, which I am not too concerned about.
Strayed's post clearly said daily tasks which I am very concerened about.
I am hoping Strayed will confirm this upon noticing people's concern and confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 17:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 4, 2017 18:51:00 GMT -5
If that's the case, I'd agree with you. If Strayed could clarify, that'd be great. |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Feb 4, 2017 19:18:12 GMT -5
Strayed has clarified, it was a mistake. The medium.com blog post is correct.
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Post by whatttupG on Feb 4, 2017 22:03:31 GMT -5
If I have to buy or pay anything to play, I'll just uninstall and move on.
I will suffer a tougher road for free, sure, but a hard sell isn't going to close me nor will it open my wallet, whether or not I'm into the game. The new MM already sucks, this foot in the grave doesn't need the other foot on a banana peel.
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Post by jazzykat on Feb 4, 2017 22:26:40 GMT -5
I think this thread needs to be closed as it was based on a misconception.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 4, 2017 23:26:57 GMT -5
Closing it. Terribly sorry for that mistake, seems I shocked a few years out of everyone here.
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