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Post by suntron on Feb 3, 2017 6:15:53 GMT -5
Which should I choose. I have comparisons: Health winner Rhino Weapons tricky R has more when non assault Speed galahad except when R is in assault Shield galahad can move shield while Rhino is straight on only so you can get around the side. Size G is smaller? So takes less damage?
So which should I buy?
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Post by zr on Feb 3, 2017 6:19:44 GMT -5
Depends on the rest of your hanger? Your bot levels weapons level?
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 3, 2017 8:51:57 GMT -5
Galahad. No brainer.
Rhinos are difficult to pilot and sooooooooo slow.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 3, 2017 9:45:41 GMT -5
Galahad. No brainer. Rhinos are difficult to pilot and sooooooooo slow. But Rhinos got greater firepower.
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Post by suntron on Feb 3, 2017 9:48:38 GMT -5
Depends on the rest of your hanger? Your bot levels weapons level? Got a golem, two Leo's and griffin. All level 6 but I want a bot that will last not one for just now.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 3, 2017 9:48:41 GMT -5
Did you consider Griffin? Same firepower as Rhino, fully available and can make up for lower survivability with extra mobility.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 3, 2017 10:05:16 GMT -5
Depends on the rest of your hanger? Your bot levels weapons level? Got a golem, two Leo's and griffin. All level 6 but I want a bot that will last not one for just now. Have you opened your 5th slot? 2 bots >>> 1 Galahad. There will always be the opportunity to buy and upgrade Galahad later... you can keep upgrading weapons and your other bots in the meantime. Also, weapons you use and upgrade on the Rhino or Griffin you put in that 5th slot will immediately outfit your Galahad once you do get it (with the bonus of one extra medium weapon left over).
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Post by FRΞΞDØM☆F1GHTΞR on Feb 3, 2017 10:31:54 GMT -5
Galahad. No brainer. Rhinos are difficult to pilot and sooooooooo slow. But Rhinos got greater firepower. I thought my Rhino would replace my Griffin. The Rhino didn't last a day in my hangar before it went into storage and the Griffin came back. I can't overstate how ridiculously slow the Rhino is. It makes Natasha look like a track star. Galahad can dance circles around a Rhino all day long. Also, you leave yourself completely exposed when firing your mediums in a Rhino. Galahad can fire all weapons from behind his shield. Maybe someday I'll give Rhino another chance. But for me, it was a 15K WSP disappointment. Galahad, however, I didn't blink at buying a 2nd one.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Feb 3, 2017 10:40:29 GMT -5
I've read, Rhino has a very high learning courve. Well, we'll see. I just level mine...
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Post by zr on Feb 3, 2017 11:04:54 GMT -5
I have similar Hanger. 1 Griffin lvl 6, 1 Boa lvl5, 2 Leo lvl6, 1 Galahad lvl 6 Average waepon lvl 7-8 This works ok for me. So meeting a lot 10/10 on the red side.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Feb 3, 2017 11:39:34 GMT -5
For most purposes, Galahad. But Rhino is tougher and has more firepower - it's less versatile but tankier. And I think sometimes that can come in handy.
I generally use 2 Galahads, a Rhino, a Griffin and some variable fifth bot (Fury, Carnage or Lance, depending).
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Post by drjackal on Feb 3, 2017 11:57:30 GMT -5
For most purposes, Galahad. But Rhino is tougher and has more firepower - it's less versatile but tankier. And I think sometimes that can come in handy. I generally use 2 Galahads, a Rhino, a Griffin and some variable fifth bot (Fury, Carnage or Lance, depending). I kind of use the same setup, 2 plasmaheads, 2 RDB Griffins and a Rhino. Don't know which of them I like more.. Depends on the situation I guess. I like the speed and agility of the Galahead, the range of the RDB and the Armour of the Rhino...
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 3, 2017 12:06:46 GMT -5
TBH, I would get both as they cost different currency.
Yes, Rhino is much harder to learn. Learning the Rhino is worth it, however. Even the YouTuber, Adriannnn had said that it took him somewhere around 2 weeks to get it down in his Rhino tutorial.
My advice, if you get the Rhino, learn it with either a RDB setup or a DB setup. Reasons for this:
RDB has 500m range, so you can stay back a little as you learn to drive it, and still have a decent contribution to the battle. As soon as I felt that the shield mechanics are becoming familiar, I would outfit the big bad beast with a DB setup. Once you get the hang of close range fighting with DB, I would then try a PDB setup, for several matches, until I decided which one I liked the best. Then you can experiment with different light weapons, leaving the favored mediums as is.
Galahad is easy to learn. Basics are:
Shield to the side when moving or when fighting but not taking a lot of Plasma or Bullets and when fighting a DB bot so you can run away and out pace the short range rockets. Shield in front when advancing on a PDB or Projectile Weapon setup, still attempting to use cover as much as possible to keep from losing your shield too quickly.
General tactics for each:
Rhino: It has become better to flank and ambush with the DB variant, rather than charge in rockets blazing. When running PDB, same as the DB but try and maximize your 350m range and stay out of range of DBs if at all possible. Corner shoot when you can. Use Ancile bots by running with them when you can.
Galahad: Beacon capture and defense should be a #1 goal. Learn how to take on bigger and badder bots while evading return fire and blocking what you can't evade. Use cover. Flanking and ambushing is also advised, unless running with an Ancile bot, then use them for the purpose they are meant for.
There is not too much difference on paper between the two bots as far as what to do to use them efficiently, however, Galahads can have full protection of their shield while employing all their weapons and still maintaining a large amount of mobility. The Rhino must give up turning while shielded. And moving backwards. And its medium weapons. Those three things make the Rhino unsuitable for a direct charge standoff bot. 1v1 with most bots, you should be able to charge them, get close, and drop shield and destroy them. Otherwise, if facing multiples, come at them so that you are only in danger from one bot at a time if at all possible, and always have a plan of retreat in case you get flanked or ganged up on.
More detail needed? There are tons of YouTube videos of competent players that use them. Watch them and pay attention to when they use the shield, when they don't, when they attack, how they attack, and how they get out of danger.
JMO, YMMV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 13:47:14 GMT -5
Great summary ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48. I would add that I have just become comfortable driving my Rhino. It did take a few weeks. I use a plasma setup. If you charge your Rhino into a hotspot, you tend not to last long. But you can power-run to a flanking position and get some great damage in. Galahad is better all around in my opinion, as he can fill various rolls, but rockets kill him quickly if he isn't outrunning them. Not sure this is a great apples to apples comparison, but if I were in a 1v1 situation between the two, and you gave me my choice, I would rather be in gala. He will outmaneuver most rhinos and win the encounter.
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Post by petevb on Feb 3, 2017 14:32:06 GMT -5
You'll want both in all likely hood... And you'll have space, because you really want to dump your Golem and Leos.
I've got ~24 maxed bots including 3 Galahad and 4 Rhino. They are similar but have different strengths. I'll often use 2 Galahad (plasma) and 1 Rhino (DB) in my active hanger.
The Galahad is the Mohammad Ali of War Robots- dances like a butterfly, stings like a bee. The Rhino, on the other hand, is Mike Tyson- takes a licking, gets straight in there and hits like a ton of bricks.
You need to play a Galahad smart- 2 volley for a TT Fury will wipe it from the map, so you need to avoid slugging matches and getting double teamed. Take the longer road when going to center or taking the left beacon on Canyons, and be prepared to bend and fall back when defending a beacon. Run correctly, however, you'll find the Galahad can bend very far before breaking, and it can be one of the most durable and longer lasting front line bots in the game.
The Rhino doesn't bend nearly as well- you can turn and run, but it can't do a fighting retreat like the Galahad. It will, however, take a licking and punch with the best of them before going down. It's harder to play- it's easy to get over-extended and and trapped, so work on keeping your head up (situational awareness) and picking your spots. Thus typically I'll drop the Rhino when I need to take a defended beacon, while I'll drop a Galahad when I'm marauding from the flank.
One thing to keep in mind: the Griffin fills the role I've outline for the Rhino above very well, often better. So your real choice is between the Rhino and Griffin. The Galahad is currently easily best at what it does, and doesn't have a close competitor. For that reason if you can only have one I'd choose the Galahad- best plasma bot in the game currently (imho).
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Post by Trogon on Feb 3, 2017 14:37:45 GMT -5
I really liked the Rhino under the old MM. But under the new MM, I've swapped it for another Griffin, for more survivability against opponents of unknown strength (I'm still a long way from maxed). The Rhino it is almost impossible to get yourself out of a sticky situation. However, I'm still using my Galahad.
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Post by shivaswrath on Feb 3, 2017 14:52:37 GMT -5
I think advice on the forum already given is sage.
You'll ultimately need both, but for me, in the level 7-8-9 bot/weapon range, I just bought another Galahad because I find it VERY fast and aggressive to use in the first 2 minutes of play. I usually grab 2 beacons with shield to my left, then flank and march forward (and it holds it well against level 9 weapons despite my level 7 HP). So I bought another, in order to have a 1-2 bunch deployment, followed either by either a Griffin/Carnage, and ending with either a Boa/Leo.
The Rhino is too slow and complicated to learn for me at the level I'm at, so when i'm ready, I'll transfer my Mag Tarans over from a Griffin, or some derivative thereof.
I'd stock up on weapons honestly rather than blow WSP.
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Post by suntron on Feb 3, 2017 15:08:43 GMT -5
Thanks great advice everyone. Will go for 5th slot and get plasma weapons fully stocked on a griffin before going for either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:21:35 GMT -5
You'll want both in all likely hood... And you'll have space, because you really want to dump your Golem and Leos. I've got ~24 maxed bots including 3 Galahad and 4 Rhino. They are similar but have different strengths. I'll often use 2 Galahad (plasma) and 1 Rhino (DB) in my active hanger. The Galahad is the Mohammad Ali of War Robots- dances like a butterfly, stings like a bee. The Rhino, on the other hand, is Mike Tyson- takes a licking, gets straight in there and hits like a ton of bricks. You need to play a Galahad smart- 2 volley for a TT Fury will wipe it from the map, so you need to avoid slugging matches and getting double teamed. Take the longer road when going to center or taking the left beacon on Canyons, and be prepared to bend and fall back when defending a beacon. Run correctly, however, you'll find the Galahad can bend very far before breaking, and it can be one of the most durable and longer lasting front line bots in the game. The Rhino doesn't bend nearly as well- you can turn and run, but it can't do a fighting retreat like the Galahad. It will, however, take a licking and punch with the best of them before going down. It's harder to play- it's easy to get over-extended and and trapped, so work on keeping your head up (situational awareness) and picking your spots. Thus typically I'll drop the Rhino when I need to take a defended beacon, while I'll drop a Galahad when I'm marauding from the flank. One thing to keep in mind: the Griffin fills the role I've outline for the Rhino above very well, often better. So your real choice is between the Rhino and Griffin. The Galahad is currently easily best at what it does, and doesn't have a close competitor. For that reason if you can only have one I'd choose the Galahad- best plasma bot in the game currently (imho). Just a quick side question, if I may: Why the Rhino over a Lancelot for a tank? Damage?
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Post by petevb on Feb 3, 2017 15:57:29 GMT -5
Just a quick side question, if I may: Why the Rhino over a Lancelot for a tank? Damage? Speed and versatility. The Lance is a better tank (though more vulnerable to aphids) but it's slow. This limits both how quickly you can get into battle and where you can use it. I try to avoid dropping Lancelots in the endgame as they don't beacon well, and I try to avoid flanking with them because you waste so much time getting into position. So while the Lance might be better run straight up the middle that's all it can really do, while the Rhino can double for both flanking and beacons if needed. Typically I will run a Lance for that linebacker position, I'll run a couple Galahad for flankers/ marauders and then I'll run a Rhino that I can swing into either role depending on what's needed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 16:48:58 GMT -5
I really liked the Rhino under the old MM. But under the new MM, I've swapped it for another Griffin, for more survivability against opponents of unknown strength (I'm still a long way from maxed). The Rhino it is almost impossible to get yourself out of a sticky situation. However, I'm still using my Galahad. Same here. My Rhino is mothballed because it is just free damage for enemy Furies
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Post by [AurN] perfectlyGoodInk on Feb 3, 2017 18:12:57 GMT -5
I vote for both. I love my Rhino, but can't wait to get a Galahad. It's gonna replace my PDB Griffin though, not the Rhino. I'm keeping the Rhino. Singlehandedly won a Springfield match with it this morning, charging to center and then corner. Sure, I only had two snipers to take out, but I wouldn't have bothered to try and make that trek in any other bot (rest of my hangar right now has Griffins and a Carnage, and the 4 Trebuchets probably would've fried any of 'em).
Also, the Texan in me actually loves that it handles like a massive truck.
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 3, 2017 20:49:14 GMT -5
before im running 2 rhino, but after getting a Gala i start to remove my rhinos. i have 4 Gala now
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