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Post by newguy on Jan 31, 2017 23:28:07 GMT -5
Greetings. I am new to the forum and am seeking some advice. As strange as it sounds, I am currently using 5 rogs in my hanger (2 with orkans, 2 with tarans, and one with tulumbus) all at about levels 9/9. I have several other high end wsp, silver, and gold bots - including a Lancelot, 2 griffs, a Galahad, and 2 carnages - that I occasionally pilot, but I always end up coming back to my rogs because I find piloting them much more challenging and fun. My question is am I wasting my time trying to max out my rogs? Can I really use them in top tier against maxed hangers? Under the new mm I occasionally face max hangers and I can sometimes hold my own. I feel I could do better if mine were also maxed. Am I delusional? Am I wasting my time?? Thanks in advance.
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 1, 2017 12:43:00 GMT -5
.. max out my rogs? Can I really use them in top tier against maxed hangers?.. Good question. Opinions on maxed out Rogs, anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:50:58 GMT -5
The tulumbus one should have a long lifespan, given it's tactical agility.
The problem with the other ones is that a Griffin can bring considerably more firepower in a similar package. Yes, the jump is much more limited... but one well-timed jump with a more powerful alpha strike can be more than enough.
The Taran ones will also struggle with the ridiculous number of shield bots at the higher levels. I ditched my Tarans for Orkans on my Rog for that exact reason.
If you want to be the Master of the Jump, then I'd suggest a mix of Rogs and Griffins - starting and finishing with a Rog to help the early and late beacon games.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Feb 1, 2017 13:03:41 GMT -5
I don't run in TT, other than when MM decides I need to  , but I have seen a few guys who do discuss Rogs. I think the overall feeling is that yes, it would be a waste of time and resources. However, there are a few people who still run a single one and will keep running it, swearing by it, until they quit. But, they are the very few. I run bots in the similar range that you do, and just recently put one of my Rogs (I won one recently and it is still level 1, but the one I use is a 7) and have actually done decently in it. It is easy to think of it like a Cossack, or a Griff... but it is neither. I think it becomes useful when people learn it for what it is, not for what it could/should be. I am considering getting it on up to 8 or 9 too, now, because I seem to do better in it now than I did months ago when I first tried it. The extra HP from the buff is nice, and the speed and jump are damned useful if you can use it advantageously. Not always easy to do, however. But two medium weapons is nothing to scoff at, either. Anyway, I think the general consensus from the community will be that no, it is not a bot you want to take the time and resources to upgrade to max unless you already have a core hanger maxed out. Especially not a hangerfull. However, with that said, if you are the Michael Jordon of Rogs, and can dunk with every jump, maybe you can be a trend setter? I think, though, that getting 1 maxed, if you use it well, will realistically be OK. I feel like there are exceptions to every rule, and maybe you are the Rog exception  But have 5 other bots, normally considered TT staples, just in case. Just my .02, YMMV |
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Post by shivaswrath on Feb 1, 2017 13:08:42 GMT -5
you'd get more traction with Galahads in TT than Rogs, I think..I may get a second Gala I love it that much.
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 1, 2017 13:16:00 GMT -5
+1 on the gala but if you like the Rog run it. The only single bot hangers I've seen in TT are lances or griffs.
To run 5 Rogs you will give up a lot of firepower and health but game enjoyment can overcome that. It really depends on your objectives: be competitive or have fun? If the former or both, then the answer is no. If the latter, sure.
Upgrades take so much time that what you like now may not be what you like when you hit TT.
One suggestion is sign up for the test server and run a hanger of Rogs there. Everything is max so you can see how much you like it without any cost except time.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Feb 1, 2017 13:55:21 GMT -5
I just don't see Rogs at the 12/12 levels. The Griffin is just the better choice that has been proven in combat over the last 2 years. The fact that the Griffin is the most used bot in the high levels is testament to his good and versatile they are --- and it's a silver bot.
With cost of the L11 and L12 upgrades what they are, the Rogatka makes no sense considering the low survivability of the bot. From what I have seen in top MM, the Rogatka is used too aggressively by pilots I've seen use them and too much jumping is used. This probably comes from using the 3/9 Taran Rog as a high silver clubber in the old MM, where the Rog could be used as a assualt bot rather than a support bot. However, even with careful play, the Rog simply doesn't have the firepower or defenses to win a place in a top MM hangar.
That being said, I'd get the 2 Griffins, Galahad, Lancelot, and 1 Carnage you have leveled up to L12, cause all 5 of them can contend --- the Rog can't.
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Post by petevb on Feb 1, 2017 14:06:43 GMT -5
Yes, unfortunately you're being delusional.
I have a pair of maxed Rogs too, and I also find it the most fun bot to play. However it's too fragile for Top tier. There are simply too many well piloted Plasma Galahad, Gareth, Griffin and TT Fury around for it to be competitive.
Unfortunately with the current game balance you'll need to decide if the fun you have playing it is worth losing more often.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 1, 2017 14:46:54 GMT -5
Don't listen to the nay Sayers - Shield bots (G-Hads/Lances) are all the rage right now but are getting nerfed as a result.. The Rog is the best way to make the initial caps in the most difficult areas. And you can still fight a little...A Rog is not a knife fighter...it is a pretty good counter to Stalkers, Gep-tards and Aphid Pattons. Use the Rog in a buddy up situation...They are a great diversion and asskicker too.
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Post by petevb on Feb 1, 2017 15:50:13 GMT -5
Don't listen to the nay Sayers - Shield bots (G-Hads/Lances) are all the rage right now but are getting nerfed as a result.. The Rog is the best way to make the initial caps in the most difficult areas. And you can still fight a little...A Rog is not a knife fighter...it is a pretty good counter to Stalkers, Gep-tards and Aphid Pattons. Use the Rog in a buddy up situation...They are a great diversion and asskicker too. Are you sure you should be commenting so assuredly about Top tier when by the look of it your hanger doesn't and can't compete there? The Rog might be a fair counter to Stalkers and Gepards (not as good as a Galahad), but these are rarely serious threats in Top tier play. Top is also not about making the initial cap (Gareth is far better for that anyway), it's about braving the storm to hold beacons when it arrives. |
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Post by Cyklown on Feb 1, 2017 16:18:07 GMT -5
Don't listen to the nay Sayers - Shield bots (G-Hads/Lances) are all the rage right now but are getting nerfed as a result.. The Rog is the best way to make the initial caps in the most difficult areas. And you can still fight a little...A Rog is not a knife fighter...it is a pretty good counter to Stalkers, Gep-tards and Aphid Pattons. Use the Rog in a buddy up situation...They are a great diversion and asskicker too. Are you sure you should be commenting so assuredly about Top tier when by the look of it your hanger doesn't and can't compete there? The Rog might be a fair counter to Stalkers and Gepards (not as good as a Galahad), but these are rarely serious threats in Top tier play. Top is also not about making the initial cap (Gareth is far better for that anyway), it's about braving the storm to hold beacons when it arrives. And that storm will probably be a griff. ? I'm still running a Rog with Orkans, personally, but I won't be upgrading it past l6 and will be flipping out out for a griff as soon as my upgrade cycle comes around. A Rog with Orkans makes a great support bot for the l7 regions of the game (well, 6/10 as a load out, due to vagaries of the old MM) but Taran Rogs fall out far sooner than that, since you can't sit and slug it out. Ever. Even then I'm generally either desperately getting 1 second of Orkan fire before jumping away or committing it all to another bot's battle and hoping I do enough damage fast enough to save him a bunch of health. If you need a plasma boat, go Plasmahad. Griffs make the best DBs (sorry, Strayed) and Plasmahads make the best plasma boats. Rogs will make great "silver" hanger fodder if the league system makes running, say, 6/6 meds in the future make sense. |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Feb 1, 2017 18:44:28 GMT -5
Are you sure you should be commenting so assuredly about Top tier when by the look of it your hanger doesn't and can't compete there? The Rog might be a fair counter to Stalkers and Gepards (not as good as a Galahad), but these are rarely serious threats in Top tier play. Top is also not about making the initial cap (Gareth is far better for that anyway), it's about braving the storm to hold beacons when it arrives. And that storm will probably be a griff. ? I'm still running a Rog with Orkans, personally, but I won't be upgrading it past l6 and will be flipping out out for a griff as soon as my upgrade cycle comes around. A Rog with Orkans makes a great support bot for the l7 regions of the game (well, 6/10 as a load out, due to vagaries of the old MM) but Taran Rogs fall out far sooner than that, since you can't sit and slug it out. Ever. Even then I'm generally either desperately getting 1 second of Orkan fire before jumping away or committing it all to another bot's battle and hoping I do enough damage fast enough to save him a bunch of health. If you need a plasma boat, go Plasmahad. Griffs make the best DBs (sorry, Strayed) and Plasmahads make the best plasma boats. Rogs will make great "silver" hanger fodder if the league system makes running, say, 6/6 meds in the future make sense. I do ok considering my levels. Unless you have level 12 in the game right now, competing is out of the question but for 5 % of the player base. I'm playing against top 10 clans...Mind they have much stronger weapons but I do the best any one can do in such lopsidedness. |
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Post by Heishiro on Feb 2, 2017 1:50:13 GMT -5
im playing 9/12 now. only 2 times i saw a Rog since i reach 9/12. and they die fast  |
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Post by BLYTHE on Feb 2, 2017 3:09:08 GMT -5
Nope, I'd use resources to upgrade other bots instead. The difference between a L9-L12 is a mere 15K. That's nothing really in high tier.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 2, 2017 16:30:55 GMT -5
Greetings. I am new to the forum and am seeking some advice. As strange as it sounds, I am currently using 5 rogs in my hanger (2 with orkans, 2 with tarans, and one with tulumbus) all at about levels 9/9. I have several other high end wsp, silver, and gold bots - including a Lancelot, 2 griffs, a Galahad, and 2 carnages - that I occasionally pilot, but I always end up coming back to my rogs because I find piloting them much more challenging and fun. My question is am I wasting my time trying to max out my rogs? Can I really use them in top tier against maxed hangers? Under the new mm I occasionally face max hangers and I can sometimes hold my own. I feel I could do better if mine were also maxed. Am I delusional? Am I wasting my time?? Thanks in advance. Short answer, "no" with an "if", long answer "yes" with a "but". |
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, but I have seen a few guys who do discuss Rogs. I think the overall feeling is that yes, it would be a waste of time and resources. However, there are a few people who still run a single one and will keep running it, swearing by it, until they quit. But, they are the very few.
But have 5 other bots, normally considered TT staples, just in case.
