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Post by osang on Jan 31, 2017 22:50:43 GMT -5
I hope this will end someday because I can't use my light bots against heavy bots. The reason I play light bots is to relieve stress after work, and not turning my destriers, cossacks, or schutzes into pancakes in just seconds. My hangar and their
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Post by hyderier on Feb 1, 2017 1:00:32 GMT -5
I see this isn't serious (I hope), but if you were serious, with that hangar you could just create a new pilot. And if you start seeing too stiff opposition, rinse and repeat. As long as you are at most level 5, you shouldn't see very strong opposition even in new MM, right?
Um, it is possible to create a new pilot without too much hassle, or is it?
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 1, 2017 1:46:06 GMT -5
Feel Your pain. Did the same.. 2 cossacks with punishers, and destriers with spiral and punishers. Running around stealing beacons and shooting people in the back all the while humming "I am A hole" by Dennis Leary.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 1, 2017 1:47:52 GMT -5
Guys, stop running bots and weaps below level 4. Pixo put in a failsafe for that specifically to prevent sealclubbing.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Feb 1, 2017 1:57:37 GMT -5
Haven't since first MM in Dec. But, just saying it was a good stress reliever.
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Post by osang on Feb 1, 2017 4:42:05 GMT -5
Guys, stop running bots and weaps below level 4. Pixo put in a failsafe for that specifically to prevent sealclubbing. Therefore... I'm stuck on playing heavy bots. Ow c'mon Pixo, you can do better than that! Just filter the weapons on each weight division,,,like boxing.
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Post by novena on Feb 1, 2017 4:44:47 GMT -5
Cannot agree more this new MM they keep is to make players get tough and tough matches !! worse you cant even see your Elo rating to pacify that you are getting 9-10 tough losing games because you are higher up in Elo rating . You cannot now change your hanger to lights just keep dumb playing with your heavy bots .
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Feb 1, 2017 4:46:47 GMT -5
I'm running 8/10ish bots and I use a Gareth, Galahad, griffin, griffin and carnage. You don't have to run heavies, I have no problem most of the time though I have noticed higher level opponents but they were fair matchs anyway... most of the time
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Post by K A Z on Feb 1, 2017 5:49:25 GMT -5
I hope this will end someday because I can't use my light bots against heavy bots. The reason I play light bots is to relieve stress after work, and not turning my destriers, cossacks, or schutzes into pancakes in just seconds. I'm sharing your pain here...I'm an adult gamer with rather complicated real life (wife, job, 2 kids, etc) and game was supposed to be a relief valve for me after days work. Till recently it was, but now...in 20-30 battles I had in last 2 days I did not even ONCE get top score and win rate of those games was 20-25%...and that's not because I'm so crappy, but the MM is putting me against ridiculous opponents (heavies L 10..12, maxed / near maxed guns). I was running mixed hangar, light/med, no clubbing. Win rate was up to 96%, and always stayed above 76%; damage was over 400k and in 80-90% of games I was having top score. Now no more. Long story short - I'm not getting gold from matches, next to none...and as the logic implies, that is what pixo is after. They are just 「fluffernutter」ing with mid-range players in attempt to force them to buy gold. I did buy things before for real money in this game, but no more - until developer gets things fair again. That is my suggestion to you guys, to whoever was paying - stop till game is fun again.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 1, 2017 10:43:25 GMT -5
With over 3400 victories, have you figured out the difference yet between bot/weapon level and light vs. heavy? People keep offering you an easy solution to your problem and you keep ignoring it.
People are telling you that low level bots and weapons played by experienced players triggers an anti-clubbing feature in the matchmaker. So if you want to run light robots, you will either need to run them upgraded to a level that Pixonic thinks your experience should reflect (i.e. higher than level 1) or they will match you against competition equal to the strongest bots and weapons you own, to prevent you from abusing the matchmaking system to club noobs. Feel free to run all the light robots you want - just upgrade to at least level 4 (or whatever the threshold is - I haven't tested it myself) before you do. That protects people who haven't had time to upgrade their robots to similar levels from encountering people who have thousands of victories worth of experience.
If this doesn't help, it sounds like your problem isn't really the inability to play light robots in competitive matches but rather the inability to avoid competitive matches by trying to play primarily against brand-new players. And that's something the developer has specifically stated they want to drive out of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 11:36:23 GMT -5
Guys, stop running bots and weaps below level 4. Pixo put in a failsafe for that specifically to prevent sealclubbing. You can't seal club with experience, knowledge, and skill, only Gepards, magnums, and aphids.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 12:29:32 GMT -5
People are telling you that low level bots and weapons played by experienced players triggers an anti-clubbing feature in the matchmaker. So if you want to run light robots, you will either need to run them upgraded to a level that Pixonic thinks your experience should reflect (i.e. higher than level 1) or they will match you against competition equal to the strongest bots and weapons you own, to prevent you from abusing the matchmaking system to club noobs. Feel free to run all the light robots you want - just upgrade to at least level 4 (or whatever the threshold is - I haven't tested it myself) before you do. That protects people who haven't had time to upgrade their robots to similar levels from encountering people who have thousands of victories worth of experience. This is the part that bothers me and that they really need to be more transparent about. If my "accomplishments" mean I can't run anything less than a 6/6 heavy, that should be communicated to me loud and clear. What's all this other crap in my hangar for now? I've messed around with this a fair amount, and for me, running 4/5 medium bots seems to be "too low" as far as the system is concerned. Now that's getting 「fluffernutter」ing ridiculous. If I'm not allowed to use stuff that I have in quantity, how about reimbursing me for those assets? The lack of transparency, responsibility and generosity by Pix in the implementation of this new system is fairly discouraging.
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Post by pilotp2ltb on Feb 1, 2017 13:56:03 GMT -5
Guys, stop running bots and weaps below level 4. Pixo put in a failsafe for that specifically to prevent sealclubbing. Except matchmaking is no longer primarily based on hangars at all. There is no threshold. For a lot of people you can not find anything below 6/8 heavies.
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Post by bearre on Feb 1, 2017 17:58:28 GMT -5
I have leveled my bots fairly evenly all are 6/7. I have 3 heavies and 1 medium (about to be 2 medium in 240 more gold).
I regularly am paired with and against bots level 8-10 with weapons ranging from 8 -12. Maybe its karma I now know how the Iraqi army felt. However it is certainly not enjoyable.
It is not using low level (4 and under) bots that is causing me to be overmatched I dont even have any in that range atm.
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Post by Thump on Feb 1, 2017 19:08:56 GMT -5
Bearre, I have a similar hangar and have similar levels of opponents. Since you are overmatched it tells me you are a better than average pilot.
Let me guess.... you earn very few event coins usually, but manage to get some gold 1-5 because you watch the beacons, but rarely 10 gold? Probably in lower half of damage usually?
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Post by bearre on Feb 1, 2017 20:00:30 GMT -5
Bearre, I have a similar hangar and have similar levels of opponents. Since you are overmatched it tells me you are a better than average pilot. Let me guess.... you earn very few event coins usually, but manage to get some gold 1-5 because you watch the beacons, but rarely 10 gold? Probably in lower half of damage usually? On average that is correct. My damage varies greatly lately depending on the enemies I am facing. Often I am in the top 3 of the losing team or the bottom half of the winning team. My gold rewards used to come from damage as I run mostly heavies I get beacons by taking them not sprinting there. Still I manage to get my beacon capture missions done and occasionally get the 5 gold capture award. A few days ago when Pix reverted briefly to the old mm my win percentage climbed back to 64% (it was 68% prior to the update from hell). Now it's dropped like a rock again to 36%.
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Post by Strayed on Feb 1, 2017 20:04:20 GMT -5
Guys, stop running bots and weaps below level 4. Pixo put in a failsafe for that specifically to prevent sealclubbing. Therefore... I'm stuck on playing heavy bots. Ow c'mon Pixo, you can do better than that! Just filter the weapons on each weight division,,,like boxing. It's a bit expensive, but Plasma Gareth, Aphid Gep, Taran or Ecu Cossack, & Magnum Stalker should all be usable at level 5 bots & weaps.
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Post by 3castle on Feb 1, 2017 20:08:16 GMT -5
lol u have better avg dmg in those lvl light robots than his higher lvl heavy robots
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Post by osang on Feb 1, 2017 23:01:26 GMT -5
With over 3400 victories, have you figured out the difference yet between bot/weapon level and light vs. heavy? People keep offering you an easy solution to your problem and you keep ignoring it. People are telling you that low level bots and weapons played by experienced players triggers an anti-clubbing feature in the matchmaker. So if you want to run light robots, you will either need to run them upgraded to a level that Pixonic thinks your experience should reflect (i.e. higher than level 1) or they will match you against competition equal to the strongest bots and weapons you own, to prevent you from abusing the matchmaking system to club noobs. Feel free to run all the light robots you want - just upgrade to at least level 4 (or whatever the threshold is - I haven't tested it myself) before you do. That protects people who haven't had time to upgrade their robots to similar levels from encountering people who have thousands of victories worth of experience. If this doesn't help, it sounds like your problem isn't really the inability to play light robots in competitive matches but rather the inability to avoid competitive matches by trying to play primarily against brand-new players. And that's something the developer has specifically stated they want to drive out of the game. Well, I can't seal-club with this kind of hangar, and I did upgrade my bots to level 4, and of course, no match to heavy bots. I think Pixo wants Lvl 30 players to stay in one place, and in my mind saying, "Bah! You can't run low-leveled-bots/weapons now..you need to buy gold, gold, gold!"
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 2, 2017 0:01:52 GMT -5
Well after tonite I'm just sick of new mm and the game play in have to deal with. Going to tank every game till I hit 10 percent win rate and work upwards to see who and what is where. It's not that I can't play against bots 8 lvls higher than me it's just terribly boring to do so as it involves hide and seek over gameplay. Let's see oh yeah that's why I prefer the old silver tier over gold faster action paced games. I refuse to give up playing with gepards to play with my slower tt botz just because of this new stupid mm system that rewards being bad. Idc about win rate or damage percentage. I'm more about enjoying gameplay. So if tanking games finally gets me with botz my own lvl guess that's what I have to do...so glad pixonic thought this new mm system out. Almost 2 weeks of crappie gameplay for a mm system that should be junked.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 2, 2017 0:03:50 GMT -5
I see this isn't serious (I hope), but if you were serious, with that hangar you could just create a new pilot. And if you start seeing too stiff opposition, rinse and repeat. As long as you are at most level 5, you shouldn't see very strong opposition even in new MM, right? Um, it is possible to create a new pilot without too much hassle, or is it? If you have android it's easy make a new user and install game
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Post by genesis5 on Feb 2, 2017 0:38:01 GMT -5
Yes.....well said. You have to basically reward snipers with a lot of gold. I used to light em up. Now I duck. This game rewards players with no skills while my lower level bots nearly kick the crap out of ten to 12 rated bots. I still Lose...but much better fighter than those snipers!!!!! Well done game....I once raved about this game....now I just assume they don't make enough cash.....money rules!!!!! I understand now.
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Post by duckdecoy on Feb 2, 2017 1:04:34 GMT -5
Here is a tiny violin playing for 4/9 Gepard pilots.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 2, 2017 3:06:40 GMT -5
Well after tonite I'm just sick of new mm and the game play in have to deal with. Going to tank every game till I hit 10 percent win rate and work upwards to see who and what is where. It's not that I can't play against bots 8 lvls higher than me it's just terribly boring to do so as it involves hide and seek over gameplay. Let's see oh yeah that's why I prefer the old silver tier over gold faster action paced games. I refuse to give up playing with gepards to play with my slower tt botz just because of this new stupid mm system that rewards being bad. Idc about win rate or damage percentage. I'm more about enjoying gameplay. So if tanking games finally gets me with botz my own lvl guess that's what I have to do...so glad pixonic thought this new mm system out. Almost 2 weeks of crappie gameplay for a mm system that should be junked. I feel you. I was reluctant to go to heavy bots as I find them slow and kinda boring: crawling slow, standoffs, MR shootouts...that's not what I'm in for in this game. Bots that are small, fast agile, not even too much HP, but enough firepower to make a good ambush...that was the game that hooked me to War Robots. Now since for L30 player like me light bots were rendered useless, I'm getting rather frustrated instead of enjoying it.
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Post by K A Z on Feb 2, 2017 3:07:53 GMT -5
Here is a tiny violin playing for 4/9 Gepard pilots. I guess that is a tune for all non-heavy bots in the game now...
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Feb 2, 2017 3:16:39 GMT -5
i run a stalker, gary, carnage and a leo and the MM is fine for me. whats all this about having to use all heavies and spend money on gold?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 6:17:49 GMT -5
i run a stalker, gary, carnage and a leo and the MM is fine for me. whats all this about having to use all heavies and spend money on gold? Oh, thats just the wimpering of people who suddenly find themselves at the receiving end of the stick they joyfully swung before. Would like to see the return of silver tier - but if your kind of stress relieve is clubbing complete noobs with level 1 bots... Candy Crush maybe instead? (And no, clubbing wasnt reserved to Geps. In bronze tier I couldve clubbed in a Destrier with a sling...)
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 2, 2017 6:49:52 GMT -5
i run a stalker, gary, carnage and a leo and the MM is fine for me. whats all this about having to use all heavies and spend money on gold? Oh, thats just the wimpering of people who suddenly find themselves at the receiving end of the stick they joyfully swung before. Would like to see the return of silver tier - but if your kind of stress relieve is clubbing complete noobs with level 1 bots... Candy Crush maybe instead? (And no, clubbing wasnt reserved to Geps. In bronze tier I couldve clubbed in a Destrier with a sling...) The challenge nowadays is that lower power players are getting whacked by players 4-11 levels higher than them in BOTH bot and wep levels. It is like clubbing is being instiitutionalized by the system as the reward for being skilled. While geps were the persona of evil previously, now it is either the MM or 12/12 players that represent frustration to an even broader base of pilots. A match up of H6/8 vs H12/12 is not exactly a total skills based match up but a form of clubbing the MM is making part of the game experience that neither pilot is "gaming the system" to ensure it happens. If you are a higher power player in this type of matchup, you are using the same excuse we gep pilots used - we put in optimized bots and weps that we like and the system matched us up with competition because we like running those bots (i.e., I'm not seeing many 12/12 hangers with all light or medium light bots only because L30 pilots know that is a waste of time - the 12/12 hangers are primarily heavy bots and that is a game style you have to like). and I still never understood how silver tier was "complete noobs" - bronze absolutely. I was hoping hanger strength would be higher weighting but also put in pilot experience level restrictions to keep lvl 30 pilots away from any pilot who is below lvl 20....and make experience leveling up slower instead of the quick trip it is today. And my POV is that I actually like the new MM and I'm doing fine with my H6/9 line up vs higher power players...it is just the slow methodical pace of gold only gets boring for all the reasons people have mentioned.....and the inability to squad with my other comparable level clan members without having to take on 12/12 squads all the time is really wrecking the game for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 6:57:11 GMT -5
Totally with you there @ boomsplat. I would like to see the return of silver tier - simply because it was offering a different playstyle. The actual system just made a load of robots obsolete - which is basically because the game contains zero balance between weight classes (speed is a bad argument vs splash...). I always played my "highest stuff" - now my 9/10 hangar seems to be in a quite sweet spot - unfortunately I dont have any intention of pushing higher, and Im starting to feel like my dust-gathering Boas look at me in an accusing way :/ I still claim that "stress relieve" is a mediocre argument... theres enough singleplayer games that come with an easy mode. Edit: you may be also correct that the even slower grind for gold lowers motivation. I find myself playing a few games with squadmates per day only. What I make from dmg/beacon rewards has easily reduced by half. Edit2: and the ability of "tanking down" ones battlerating is completely hilarious. Nearly beats Pix sales...
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Post by boomsplat on Feb 2, 2017 7:02:04 GMT -5
Here is a tiny violin playing for 4/9 Gepard pilots. So the only complaints are from gep pilots? Then you clearly have not been following along on this forum and on FB. im a 4/12 gep pilot and a H6/9 pilot, and I'm doing ok with the new MM. I'm glad new pilots don't see as many gep squads smashing them - that is mindless play and just plain stupid. But it seems worse now that some are facing an onslaught of higher power players using whatever equipment they want to tank and club their way back up....and that approach is impacting an even broader swath of players. Or the intentional drops trying to find fairer competition....that is just being done by gep pilots? i think the days of vilifying just gep pilots as incarnate evil in this game is done as well - nowadays it is the dysfunction of the MM for some that is incarnate evil with the nonsensical match ups, the easy way players found within 24 hrs to game the new system with intentional win rate tanking, or inability for the system to get to balanced matches more rapidly. And while MM has become more sane for me, many are at a loss why it has not for them and are voicing their complaints. Maybe you are playing your tiny violin for them as well?
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