thundergrunt72
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Jan 31, 2017 17:47:40 GMT -5
So the current meta and match making system is really wrecking me hard. I am not quite sure what path to take. I have a reasonable amount of gold and wsp, and will soon have to make a decision on what to use it for. My fifth spot in my hangar has been a rotating windmill. I tried everything from a Gepard 3x Aphid to a Raijin 2x Zeus and bunches of stuff in between. My win rate dropped from 70% to 42%. I am either first on a losing squad, or 4th on a winning squad most every battle. If anyone has the time and energy to have a look at this info and offer some feedback it is sincerely appreciated. My play style is mostly tactically sound. I have lots to improve on, but if there is a question to how I prefer to play - it's to the strength of the bot and to whatever tactic typically will amount in the greatest chance of a win with reward. I struggle a bit to optimally play a rhino, and I am somewhat reticent to put it into battle as I know I do not play it well enough (yet) to be truly effective. Still throwing it in there though for my fifth bot quite often to practice though. My original thought had been to buy a Carnage. Then I thought maybe I should wait and buy a Lancelot. Then I tried to talk myself into buying Hydras for a Hydra Aphid Griffin. Then I posted here, because I just don't know now. ThunderGrunt, clan RDDT Current Operating Hangar Bots 6+Level 8 Griffin currently equipped: 8 Pin, 8 Pin, 8 Tulumbas, 8 Tulumbas Level 8 Leo Currently equipped: 8 Magnum, 8 Magnum, 8 Magnum, 8 Thunder Level 8 Griffin Currently equipped: 8 Pinata, 8 Pinata, 8 Orkan, 8 Orkan Level 7 Galahad Currently equipped: 7 Magnumn, 7 Magnum, 8 Taran Level 6 Patton Currently equipped: 7 Gekko, 7 Gekko, 7 Gekko, 5 Gekko In Storage:33,583,721 Silver 2,016 Gold 11,285 Work Shop Points Heavy Bots in StorageLevel 7 Leo Level 7 Griffin Level 1 Rhino (Christmas Event Prize) Level 6 Rhino Level 6 Raijin Level 6 Griffin Level 6 Natasha Medium Bots in StorageLevel 6 Golem Light Bots in Storage Level 1 Gepard (Event Prize) Level 6 Gepard Heavy Weapons in StorageLevel 7 Zeus Level 6 Zeus Level 7 Trident Level 7 Trident Level 6 Thunder Level 6 Kang Dae Level 6 Kang Dae Medium Weapons in StorageLevel 7 Taran Level 6 Molot Mk2 Level 6 Molot Mk2 Light Weapons in StorageLevel 7 Aphid Level 7 Aphid Level 7 Aphid Level 7 Pinata Level 7 Pinata Level 1 Magnum Level 6 Molot Level 6 Molot  |
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 31, 2017 18:32:22 GMT -5
I'd say that the Leo and Patton aren't doing you any favors.
I'd cut the Patton for an Aphid Gep- it's not the wolf it was a month ago, but it'll suit you on PP and has a role.
Following that, get the Plasmahad up to where your heavies are and find a replacement for the Leo. Play around with it a bit- a carnage wouldn't be terrible, another RDB griff is always an option, etc.
For those of us running around with l7 bots I'd almost advocate running two midrangers at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 18:40:14 GMT -5
Here's what I would do:
1) Grab another taran, level it up, and run a Plasma Griff -- or better yet, Plasma Rhino (gotta practice!) as the 5th slot
2) Swap out your magnums on Leo for the Aphids. Park him behind something. Throw aphids at people from behind cover. Then use the boomstick to surprise them when they hunt you down and close to point blank range thinking you are a lazy gep pilot.
3) If you dont like option 2, then put the Tridents/Gekkos on Tasha and go full Camperbot for awhile to see if you like it.
* disclaimer, I often dont know what I am doing...
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thundergrunt72
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Jan 31, 2017 23:42:05 GMT -5
What about running 2 plasmahads, DB Griff, RDB Griff and Thunder Carnage for a hangar?
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Post by 88generalblue on Feb 1, 2017 1:04:42 GMT -5
Heavy Bots in StorageLevel 1 Rhino (Christmas Event Prize) you son of a b, that should've been mine! I curse you, demon |
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Post by 88generalblue on Feb 1, 2017 1:24:07 GMT -5
i think changing the Russian-DB for a Plasma-DB would do you well. with the new MM, everybody needs two mid/long range bots. one for shooting tridents, and one for taking out things that have tridents on them. RDBs don't compete with either of those.
the gekko patton is good for suppressing enemies with tridents, but the tasha with zeus/gekko would do you slightly better since they have a higher health pool, zeus have much better dps, and pattons drop weapons if theres a stiff breeze.
i'm a huge aphid fan, even after the nerf its just convenient that you don't need LOS to hit a target, has great dmg, and on cert maps its unbeatable, so change out the magnums on the Leo for Aphids or bring your Gep back. Gep+Aphids run very well on PP, Dead-C & waiting on the ramp on Yama. Geps can also give you a solid beacon runner, and aphids are a great support bot. a good knife fighter with one good support bot are indestructible,
and don't get down about the fact that your win rate is at 44%, nobody is allowed to win more than 50% without severe punishment anymore, its just the new meta. saw some where that they are going to be introducing visible tiers and providing bonuses through that, so there's a light at the end of the tunnel (hopefully?). my win rate from the beginning had fluctuated between 60-85%, and now its 45-55% pretty consistently.
Cheers,
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Post by careyfan on Feb 2, 2017 0:00:11 GMT -5
Get rid of the Leo. It can take a beating, but it's too slow.
If you're sick of griffins, even a boa would do better for you. It's faster and more versatile than the Leo.
Level up a taran. You don't have enough to build a full PDB griff yet, but the taran would go nicely on a boa for now. Nonetheless, work toward a full PDB griffin since you've already invested in the magnums. Or work toward another Galahad.
Get rid of the Patton. Gekkos improved, but not strong enough still. If you can't afford a fury, but insist on having a long range bot in your hangar, get something with more punch, like a Natasha with KWKS or trebs. If you insist on keeping the gekkos but don't want to level a new bot, put it on your Leo and level up a Zeus or other long range heavy weapon.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 2, 2017 0:17:40 GMT -5
If you had any doubts about a Lancelot, rest assured it is a most sound acquisition. Ancilot preferably, but that's a bit of gold, but so worth it.
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Post by Curry Pot on Feb 2, 2017 0:39:36 GMT -5
You have two Zeuses sitting in storage, and you can definitely make good use of them. Sticking two of them on a Carnage makes an excellent midranger and a good counter to all the TT Furies out there. I doubt the gekko patton is doing you any favors, and you could benefit by replacing it.
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Post by Cyklown on Feb 2, 2017 3:22:05 GMT -5
i think changing the Russian-DB for a Plasma-DB would do you well. with the new MM, everybody needs two mid/long range bots. one for shooting tridents, and one for taking out things that have tridents on them. RDBs don't compete with either of those. the gekko patton is good for suppressing enemies with tridents, but the tasha with zeus/gekko would do you slightly better since they have a higher health pool, zeus have much better dps, and pattons drop weapons if theres a stiff breeze. i'm a huge aphid fan, even after the nerf its just convenient that you don't need LOS to hit a target, has great dmg, and on cert maps its unbeatable, so change out the magnums on the Leo for Aphids or bring your Gep back. Gep+Aphids run very well on PP, Dead-C & waiting on the ramp on Yama. Geps can also give you a solid beacon runner, and aphids are a great support bot. a good knife fighter with one good support bot are indestructible, and don't get down about the fact that your win rate is at 44%, nobody is allowed to win more than 50% without severe punishment anymore, its just the new meta. saw some where that they are going to be introducing visible tiers and providing bonuses through that, so there's a light at the end of the tunnel (hopefully?). my win rate from the beginning had fluctuated between 60-85%, and now its 45-55% pretty consistently. Cheers, I'd strongly disagree- a RDB puts plenty of damage onto a trident user and is more maneuverable than most options. Remember that the midrange game is all about positioning and firelines- that's why some of us are so taken with our Carnages. The only "trident hunter" besides a KWK Fury a la Adrian is a Zues Carnage, which I'd say is a gold investment too far. Simplyrunning two midrange bots still lets you reach out and touch things that you're not fit to go toe to toe with. Since he's got two Zues already, it seems like a carnage purchase is in order. In any case, avoid Plasma Griffs- the Plasmahad is just flat out a better plasma boat. Gep/Aphids is *also* shockingly good at defending cityside in Springfield besides it's role on Powerplant. Just don't run it until the lights clear out. It can fight mediums and hunt heavies, but all of the light bot configs will prey on it. |
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 2, 2017 4:07:36 GMT -5
You have two Zeuses sitting in storage, and you can definitely make good use of them. Sticking two of them on a Carnage makes an excellent midranger and a good counter to all the TT Furies out there. I doubt the gekko patton is doing you any favors, and you could benefit by replacing it. +1 on that. Zeus Carnage and RDB Griff will give you two midrange options with good range, and I like your hangar with the exception of that Patton. I'd experiment with Aphids instead of Mags on that Leo, but stay with whatever suits you better. You can also try Thunder Carnage, many players feel that one midrange robot is enough and that's your RDB Griff. |
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Post by youngchen on Feb 2, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -5
I still havent figured out just how much bot/wep level plays into it, but i doubt it should make a difference. I'm consistantly playing with and against 8/10ish hangers while running 6/8, 6/9 in mine. Specifically my aphids are the only 9's. Anyways with that scope there are still a few matches I run that little gep through the whole thing. Pretty consistantly i use it for a good 4 min. Given that, my most common move is to follow woth orkan/aphid gareth. Now... by my estimation the gep is averaging between 200k and 400k damage per round and im almost always getting 8-10au per win unless there is a teammate specifically concentrating on getting MOC without really adding to team damage. So. If i was you i would definitly maximize the potential of the gep, lead with it and make it last. Sorry, little longwinded. Hope it helps.
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thundergrunt72
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Post by thundergrunt72 on Feb 2, 2017 11:18:22 GMT -5
Thank you everyone thusfar on very insightful feedback. My interim decision is to purchase a Carnage (will have the WSP in about 48 hours) and to grind out gold for a second plasmahad, as I already have thoroughly leveled weapons ready for it. The second Galahad might be doable in next 72 hours. While I level the two bots up to usability, I am going to practice running aphid Gepard and some form of Rhino, if for no other reason than to best understand how to kill them more effectively. Going to put the Zeus on the Carnage. So the next iteration of my hangar will look like Plasmahad, Plasmahad, Zeus Carnage, RDB and DB. I will still have my Gepard in storage with Aphids to swap in and out. And based on feedback here, and advice on the forums I am going to make my next workshop purchases all weapons (Taran!) and my next gold purchase a Lancelot. The interim hangar looks solid enough to me to level to 10 round the board.
this is an excellent community, thank you for your advice!
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