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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 11:29:50 GMT -5
My three 6/6 and one 6/7 hanger is constantly going up against 9/9+ bots again. Overrun by Lance, Rhino, and Tri-Furys. With this type of results I might as well put in a 1/1 drestler, run at something guns blazing, then friggin leave match.    This is my best hanger and me actually trying. It's been like this since yesterday evening. I have played 30-40 matches and have been on the winning side of 5-6. Those were because my team was good enough to win 5vs6 not because I actually did any good. |
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Post by Trogon on Jan 31, 2017 11:43:23 GMT -5
I feel you. Definitely hard to keep motivated when I feel like the cards are always stacked against me. I guess some people like that sort of challenge. I prefer a fair fight.
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 12:50:10 GMT -5
OK I think I'm going to post my battles here. I want to see if it gets better like people say or if silver tier is now the seals for clubbing. I will post all my battles and every 10 or so I will post the hangers I'm up against. I gotta have some motivation to keep playing right now.
To mods: can you change the name of this thread to "My experience with the new MM"?
To others: please do not post screenshots here I would like this to just be me documenting my experience with the new MM. I want this to be something people can point to when they say that the old silver tier is now proving seals to be clubbed or to prove "it gets better if you play".
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 12:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 13:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 13:03:42 GMT -5
Oops forgot to show my guns and don't know how to replace the pic  |
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 13:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 15:56:38 GMT -5
It's not fun anymore, attempting to 'kill' top tier players.
I had a fun time playing in the weekend and actually had really close down to the second matches.
Now it is all who has the best support bot
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Post by moody on Jan 31, 2017 16:03:21 GMT -5
I hate to say this. I will defend natashas to the end as a midrange support unit.
I think a lot of your lack of damage is slow bots with very short range.
Make the griffin full plasma.
Get a couple of leos with thunder pinata for now. At least they are tough enough to tank.
Get another Griffin and put tullumbas / pins on it. That will at least have range and be able to get in cover between shots.
Get your fifth slot.
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Post by joshfishyu on Jan 31, 2017 16:57:51 GMT -5
I used to think MM was getting better last weekend, but right now is nearly unplayable for new players. This is my newbie hangar:  and these are the hangars I fought with/against last match:   The game is totally not fun at all right now... |
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Post by lephturn on Jan 31, 2017 17:32:18 GMT -5
Gee I wonder why so many people are bailing at the start of battle? LOL
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 19:51:38 GMT -5
I hate to say this. I will defend natashas to the end as a midrange support unit. I think a lot of your lack of damage is slow bots with very short range. Make the griffin full plasma. Get a couple of leos with thunder pinata for now. At least they are tough enough to tank. Get another Griffin and put tullumbas / pins on it. That will at least have range and be able to get in cover between shots. Get your fifth slot. I've actually got good at getting "slow bots with short range" into a useful position unfortunately with the competition I'm facing all I can do is get into a useful position then scratch up someone's paint job. Last 5 matches were played with a 7/6 DB Griffin a 6/6 PDB Griffin a 6/6 Thunder/Pinta Leo and a 6/6 Thunder/Aphid Leo. The lineup I had before was a setup I was screwing around with this weekend for a little variety. When I was playing against level competition I was kicking butt with it. The matchup I played the last 5 with is my absolute best lineup. I could add a RBD Griffin if I had the slot but I would have to buy the Griffin which wouldn't be anything with the pile of silver I'm sitting on right now (about 60m). About "get your 5th slot", you don't happen to have $50 lying around do you? I don't and at the way I'm producing gold at the moment it should only take about a year and a half to save for it. |
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Post by moody on Jan 31, 2017 19:56:24 GMT -5
I hate to say this. I will defend natashas to the end as a midrange support unit. I think a lot of your lack of damage is slow bots with very short range. Make the griffin full plasma. Get a couple of leos with thunder pinata for now. At least they are tough enough to tank. Get another Griffin and put tullumbas / pins on it. That will at least have range and be able to get in cover between shots. Get your fifth slot. I've actually got good at getting "slow bots with short range" into a useful position unfortunately with the competition I'm facing all I can do is get into a useful position then scratch up someone's paint job. Last 5 matches were played with a 7/6 DB Griffin a 6/6 PDB Griffin a 6/6 Thunder/Pinta Leo and a 6/6 Thunder/Aphid Leo. The lineup I had before was a setup I was screwing around with this weekend for a little variety. When I was playing against level competition I was kicking butt with it. The matchup I played the last 5 with is my absolute best lineup. I could add a RBD Griffin if I had the slot but I would have to buy the Griffin which wouldn't be anything with the pile of silver I'm sitting on right now (about 60m). About "get your 5th slot", you don't happen to have $50 lying around do you? I don't and at the way I'm producing gold at the moment it should only take about a year and a half to save for it. With daily 60 gold from tasks you should earn 5000 in less than three months. I bet you could do better than that. With the old matchmaker i earned my second Galahad (2500) in about 16 days. (I know it is more difficult now). |
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Post by zman on Jan 31, 2017 20:57:52 GMT -5
You're at 7/6. Look like most of the opponents are at 7/8 minus the obvious outlier. Given your poor placing your performance metric should be decreasing and your matches getting better over time. |
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 20:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 21:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by lilryry on Jan 31, 2017 21:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by sonofsam on Jan 31, 2017 22:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 1, 2017 1:11:03 GMT -5
sonofsam,
We are in similiar MM hell. I run 6/8.5 heavys. I am continually matched with & against level 10-12 bots & weapons. My win rate has dropped 30% to low 40's and dropped 100k in ave dam. I to have been trying to play through, my cups ave is just over 950.
The pairings are unreal, unreasonable, and not fun. I'm sitting on 315 million silver and might sit out and upgrade my bots/weps till all are 9/9. It doesnt seem reasonable to continually be pair with TT bots. When I win I am consistently in bottom 3 earning 0 gold. It feels like I am target practice for the reds.
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Post by gravediggers on Feb 1, 2017 1:27:21 GMT -5
Hopefully hopefully in the next update they will set things straight otherwise I would just change your time of play and maybe you will get different players to play games with if you can I have the same problem so I just changed my time to play I just don't play against any of them
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Post by fizbin on Feb 1, 2017 2:40:15 GMT -5
I have the same issue and have been emailing a member of there support team and what he told me is the match making system currently doesn't take into account the weapons or the bots you are using but rather how good you are! I went from about 70% down to 30% ish and now about 40%. My main hanger now is a Galahad/Fury/Griffin/Griffin/Leo but at the time I sent in the emails I had a Gepard and a Rog instead of one Griffin and Leo. These are all level 6 with one weapon sitting at 8 most 7 or 6 and I was seeing full hangers of heavys level 12 and level 12 weapons.
"As of now, player tiers are no longer in the game. The matchmaking system aligns a player with the base strength of their gameplay not their weapons or robots in the hangar."
Can only hope it improves!
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Post by Grimlocke on Feb 1, 2017 2:49:53 GMT -5
When I win I am consistently in bottom 3 earning 0 gold. And here, ladies and gents, we have a winner. You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. On a bright side, this MM is easily exploitable, even up to the point that you can often see lancelots in noob tiers with players who are just starting the game, or have recently. Never had more fun then watching a bunch of cossacks, destriers and an occasional shutze/patton trying to frontally engage a lancelot with molots.  Edit: Don't worry tho, for each of your games, there will be a bunch of older players telling you it's all going to be alright, you shouldn't worry, it'll settle down, while in the same time, they'll be taking those first spots in missmatched games you so frequently are thrown into, racking up hundreds, thousands of free gold and singing praises of the new MM. And all that will be going on for months, since it takes a lot of time to develop a brand new MM system. |
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Post by lch1 on Feb 1, 2017 4:11:52 GMT -5
When I win I am consistently in bottom 3 earning 0 gold. And here, ladies and gents, we have a winner. You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. On a bright side, this MM is easily exploitable, even up to the point that you can often see lancelots in noob tiers with players who are just starting the game, or have recently. Never had more fun then watching a bunch of cossacks, destriers and an occasional shutze/patton trying to frontally engage a lancelot with molots. Edit: Don't worry tho, for each of your games, there will be a bunch of older players telling you it's all going to be alright, you shouldn't worry, it'll settle down, while in the same time, they'll be taking those first spots in missmatched games you so frequently are thrown into, racking up hundreds, thousands of free gold and singing praises of the new MM. And all that will be going on for months, since it takes a lot of time to develop a brand new MM system. I realy agree with it. I repost here my post from other topic. On weekend I wass happy in game and I was ready to spent my money. Now I'm frustrated and unhappy and I see no reason, why to spend money in game that give me no plesure but frustration. There is many games, were I spend it and be happy from this, that I play this game. |
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Feb 1, 2017 5:00:11 GMT -5
I didn't know the new MM had come out
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 1, 2017 5:59:51 GMT -5
sonofsam, I run 6/8.5 heavys. I'm sitting on 315 million silver Why? Seriously, why? The only sure way not to be badly matched is having a maxed hangar, but even without this basic consideration... why sitting on 315 million silver? Do they produce interests once you have more than 100 million? Even assuming you liked the tier you were on the old MM (I know I liked the silver one), by that amount you had time to create a maxed gold tier hangar just in case or just to try it out while keeping your silver/low gold ones as that. I don't get it. |
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Post by AηɗυηєɗнєƖ [ǀƬA] on Feb 1, 2017 6:06:23 GMT -5
You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. You are seriously saying you cannot create a competitive hangar with just silver and WSP bot/weapons? Really? Griffs, Rhinos, Leos, Carnages, Boas, and Thunders/Magnums/Tarans/Tridents/Pins/Tulumbas/Pinatas are all stuff you can get without gold and be competitive with. Also, desperate about gold? invest in stalkers and just go for beacons: I've seen so many battles where the total amount of beacons per side is under 5 that a specialized beacon capping hangar is almost guaranteed to get you five golds each time your team wins (granted, you must know how to pilot them to stay alive and contribute at least a bit to the team damage). New MM made it harder for new players? Yes. Made it impossible to put together a competitive hangar? Not really. And that without considering missions gold (Now, if they took away those, I'd agree the game would be finished for new players) |
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Post by Divine Thunder on Feb 1, 2017 6:32:35 GMT -5
You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. You are seriously saying you cannot create a competitive hangar with just silver and WSP bot/weapons? Really? Griffs, Rhinos, Leos, Carnages, Boas, and Thunders/Magnums/Tarans/Tridents/Pins/Tulumbas/Pinatas are all stuff you can get without gold and be competitive with. Also, desperate about gold? invest in stalkers and just go for beacons: I've seen so many battles where the total amount of beacons per side is under 5 that a specialized beacon capping hangar is almost guaranteed to get you five golds each time your team wins (granted, you must know how to pilot them to stay alive and contribute at least a bit to the team damage). New MM made it harder for new players? Yes. Made it impossible to put together a competitive hangar? Not really. And that without considering missions gold (Now, if they took away those, I'd agree the game would be finished for new players) What i believe Grimlocke is trying to say is that this game has transformed into a pay-to-win game and i do not disagree. If you want to win, you have to hanger a gold fleet of bots. That takes time and silver. Consider how much real cash you have probably invested into this game to get the hanger you are sporting. I have been playing this game for a year now and during that time, i pretty much had the upgrade machine running continuosly. I have not used that much gold to rush upgrades but I do not have any bots even near max. I have only one weapon at 12 and four others at 11 and quite a few from there to 6. Unless you are willing to spend real gold, you literally are merely targets for those who are. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 1, 2017 7:25:38 GMT -5
sonofsam, I run 6/8.5 heavys. I'm sitting on 315 million silver Why? Seriously, why? The only sure way not to be badly matched is having a maxed hangar, but even without this basic consideration... why sitting on 315 million silver? Do they produce interests once you have more than 100 million? Even assuming you liked the tier you were on the old MM (I know I liked the silver one), by that amount you had time to create a maxed gold tier hangar just in case or just to try it out while keeping your silver/low gold ones as that. I don't get it. I should explain futher. I have earned 315 M silver. I have continually earned way more silver than I spent, until leveling in the 9's. I have been hovering around 305 - 315 Million. I think my repair expense has greatly increased having my entire hanger destroyed almost every battle. I've been playing around 8-9 months.. I've continually upgrading for months, but it takes time. I joined the forum in October and started to figure things out. When I started my heavy hanger I leveled an extreme amount of weps to level 7, ones that I do not use, cost me exta time. I also spent some time leveling bots incorrectly early on etc. I have a light tier, a med tier, and now heavy tier. I tried out out 2 farming hangers - Cossacks and Schutze. Never was a clubber, I play to compete, running over lessor bots is a waste of my time! Ultimately my goal utilizing the old system, I was going to be able to swap bots to play different tiers, with an assortment of weapons to go along with them. I like variety and the ability to swap weapons and bots around, and I was not in any rush. I have been leveling continually, not using much gold to speed up. Saving for Lancelot/Fury, currently 5300 Au. Current time: Level 9 weps time = 19 for hanger, + 4 for Carnage I swap, + 2 extra swappers mags or aphids = 25. 25 Ã 38 hrs (rough ave). Roughly a month an a half. I have 6 weapons left + bots: in days 5 Ã 2 Griffs + 2 (lvl 8 Griff already) 5.5 for Rhino 4 for Galahad 3 for Gareth = 24 days for bots to level 9 + 7 days for left for weapons A month left to get to 9/9 hanger. I dont need the resources vs. continually playing against TT hangers, having my 「bum-bum」 handed to me 6/10 battles. The other 4, 50% of those I dont earn any gold, I'm a spectator player watching from 3rd person view as those with 10-12 level bots last to end of battle. *The real question becomes, What happens after I pay for the 9/9 hanger? If I dont play what resources will I have left to continue building. If after all this time, I end up with 9/9 hanger and improve say 25% against the TT hangers, what resources will I be earning to continue building. It is exponentially more expensive for 10/11/12 levels. |
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Feb 1, 2017 7:42:24 GMT -5
When I win I am consistently in bottom 3 earning 0 gold. And here, ladies and gents, we have a winner. You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. On a bright side, this MM is easily exploitable, even up to the point that you can often see lancelots in noob tiers with players who are just starting the game, or have recently. Never had more fun then watching a bunch of cossacks, destriers and an occasional shutze/patton trying to frontally engage a lancelot with molots. Edit: Don't worry tho, for each of your games, there will be a bunch of older players telling you it's all going to be alright, you shouldn't worry, it'll settle down, while in the same time, they'll be taking those first spots in missmatched games you so frequently are thrown into, racking up hundreds, thousands of free gold and singing praises of the new MM. And all that will be going on for months, since it takes a lot of time to develop a brand new MM system. This I did not ever want to believe, but looking at my past 100+ battles?!? Past 2.5 days. I have to wonder could this very well be a shrewd design. I play to compete, I play to win! Naturally I want to compete with the best, if the MM is in its truest form for me now with a many hundred battles in since the 22nd, I would have to statistically, logically , begrudgingly, have to agree this is the design. |
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Post by lilryry on Feb 1, 2017 8:23:15 GMT -5
When I win I am consistently in bottom 3 earning 0 gold. And here, ladies and gents, we have a winner. You just found out the main intent of this rashly implemented, technically horrendously flawed, but well-thought-out MM, designed specifically to force newer players into spending money if they want to progress. Older players (few months, a year) are mostly unaffected as they had enough time to prep gold/tt hangars, however everyone else who recently started or will be starting in upcoming months, will constantly have their games invaded by a couple of high tier hangars taking first spots on the table due to the intent of this MM. On a bright side, this MM is easily exploitable, even up to the point that you can often see lancelots in noob tiers with players who are just starting the game, or have recently. Never had more fun then watching a bunch of cossacks, destriers and an occasional shutze/patton trying to frontally engage a lancelot with molots. Edit: Don't worry tho, for each of your games, there will be a bunch of older players telling you it's all going to be alright, you shouldn't worry, it'll settle down, while in the same time, they'll be taking those first spots in missmatched games you so frequently are thrown into, racking up hundreds, thousands of free gold and singing praises of the new MM. And all that will be going on for months, since it takes a lot of time to develop a brand new MM system. very good post, greed is 100% the driving factor in the new mm but at the cost of the game itself. You also left out that if you say anything negative about the new mm you're instantly flamed and labeled a "clubber" by the elite on this site that have maxed hangers all while they reaping the benefits of blowing up my hanger that's half the level of theirs...it's a catch 22 when I level a bot in hopes of competing I just get higher lvl competition thrown at me to keep me losing. I for one will be requesting a refund for the $$$ I've spent on this game...everyone keeps saying wait it out because it will get better but after 2 weeks it's actually slowly gotten worse, the last 3 days have been matches in which I'm out geared and it's exactly how the devs intended it to be, this is what they want... |
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