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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 10:51:52 GMT -5
So my current hangar is 3 Griff's (DB, rdb, plasma), a brick boa, and plasmahad. I have never been great fighting at longer range.
But now that I am seeing treb butch and trident fury in action, I am wondering if I should experiment. And if so, is it only worth running a trident fury/carnage, or are other variants effective too?
I have 2 gekkos from my noob days. Is a vitz with gekkos and a treb viable? Or a tulu/pin/trident golem?
Have 10k wsp, and I am saving for thunder carnage, but thinking of going with a long range wsp weapon instead of buying the carnage.
Advice would be appreciated. Thx.
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Post by Fιεχροιητ™ on Jan 29, 2017 11:20:45 GMT -5
No, Vityazs and Golems aren't very good robots in gold and if you're going to run a long range on the Carnage, I would keep your weapons the same to maximize your effectiveness.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 29, 2017 11:21:45 GMT -5
I'm leveling a Gekko/Nashorn Natasha at the moment. It is for countering midrange bots, when we squad with other clanmates. Should be interesting...
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Post by buzzard on Jan 29, 2017 14:46:33 GMT -5
Partly a play style thing. I decided to add Zeus fury for midrange and it is great on most maps. Zeus carnage is good if not enough au for fury.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:26:40 GMT -5
You should only have 1 mid ranger in your hangar and Russian Griffin or Trident Carnage are the most reliable and easiest to get. When you go clan-clan, then you should have at least 2 midrangers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 15:27:07 GMT -5
I'm leveling a Gekko/Nashorn Natasha at the moment. It is for countering midrange bots, when we squad with other clanmates. Should be interesting... It is very reliable in test server with all those Furies around.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 29, 2017 16:24:02 GMT -5
If you add in a LR bot like a Treb or Nashorn Fury or Carnage, it is expensive and really good on the long maps but not as great on the others....but if you aren't good with them, then why bother? I find that if I try to add something because others have it, I usually don't stick with it. It is nice to rotate in, but I have so many other things I need to upgrade I don't have the luxury to add accessories right now. buzzard is right with a play style thing comment - one idea is to go onto the test server and test out some different LR options...find out if you like something before you go down the route of buying it. Cheers!
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Post by moody on Jan 29, 2017 16:26:40 GMT -5
You should only have 1 mid ranger in your hangar and Russian Griffin or Trident Carnage are the most reliable and easiest to get. When you go clan-clan, then you should have at least 2 midrangers. Trident CRV Natasha is easier to get than trident carnage. With recent buffs it isn't nearly as bad as it once was. Other options include Molots or Spirals instead of Pin as they allow you to keep more than 500m range.
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Post by ronin on Jan 29, 2017 16:35:05 GMT -5
"are other variants effective too?" from that I would say;
I wrote yesterday (so I just copy/paste myself here): " My hangar right now is: lvl 7: Galahad(Taran/magnums), Fujin (Tarans +Orkan), Carnage (Thunders) Lvl 6: Rhino (Magnums + Orkans), Natasha (Pins + Tridents)
All have lvl 9 weapons except Rhino (8)
Just today take Fujin and Carnage back in use (were using 2x lvl7 Boa before)
62% win rate, 1190 victories, Max destroyed 10, Max damage 944 878 max winning series: 18 " (stats now: 72% winrate, 1209 victories rest are same)
For that level (what ever it is now) this seem to work nicely. Against / if all were lvl 12 bots.. ..most likely not. But I have been enjoying playing like this and actually trying to lvl up Natasha now to lvl 7 (so I will know her stats for lvl 8.. ..wiki did not know.. ..I guess I am curious person). I play mostly solo (seem that none in my clan are up when I am) if that make any difference. Allso I try not to trop out, after all I do get silver even if I lose (and now these coin) so..
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 29, 2017 16:48:57 GMT -5
I'm leveling a Gekko/Nashorn Natasha at the moment. It is for countering midrange bots, when we squad with other clanmates. Should be interesting... It is very reliable in test server with all those Furies around. We were discussing the pros and contras of having some standard tactics for squadding. I won a Gekko in the last event, so I volunteered. Should be ready next week, I hope. Will be interesting to try this one out. Haven't sniped, since I came to this forum.
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Post by [AURA] Pîśtäçhįø on Jan 29, 2017 18:01:16 GMT -5
Any close range map, they're not good, any long range map they're nightmares
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 16:38:23 GMT -5
If you add in a LR bot like a Treb or Nashorn Fury or Carnage, it is expensive and really good on the long maps but not as great on the others....but if you aren't good with them, then why bother? I find that if I try to add something because others have it, I usually don't stick with it. It is nice to rotate in, but I have so many other things I need to upgrade I don't have the luxury to add accessories right now. buzzard is right with a play style thing comment - one idea is to go onto the test server and test out some different LR options...find out if you like something before you go down the route of buying it. Cheers! I used to laugh at the concept of artillery support, while I would march up to it and stab away at those dopey Tashas with Kangs and Zenits in lower tiers. But now I have seen some very effective long range support with the new MM. 4 Treb Butch, Trident Fury/Carnage, etc. Things that toast my level 6/7 bots before I can even reach a beacon. So to answer the question "why bother", I am wondering if (A) long range is a critical piece for higher tier, and (B) If so, are other variants worth exploring since the best setups (Fury/Butch) seem to require so much gold? I am tempted to buy a Trident/Treb with my WSP right now, and build a Natasha/Golem/Vitz with Gekkos just to cheaply test out long range tactics, instead of buying another Knifer (Thunder Carnage) with my WSP.
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 31, 2017 18:35:35 GMT -5
If you add in a LR bot like a Treb or Nashorn Fury or Carnage, it is expensive and really good on the long maps but not as great on the others....but if you aren't good with them, then why bother? I find that if I try to add something because others have it, I usually don't stick with it. It is nice to rotate in, but I have so many other things I need to upgrade I don't have the luxury to add accessories right now. buzzard is right with a play style thing comment - one idea is to go onto the test server and test out some different LR options...find out if you like something before you go down the route of buying it. Cheers! I used to laugh at the concept of artillery support, while I would march up to it and stab away at those dopey Tashas with Kangs and Zenits in lower tiers. But now I have seen some very effective long range support with the new MM. 4 Treb Butch, Trident Fury/Carnage, etc. Things that toast my level 6/7 bots before I can even reach a beacon. So to answer the question "why bother", I am wondering if (A) long range is a critical piece for higher tier, and (B) If so, are other variants worth exploring since the best setups (Fury/Butch) seem to require so much gold? I am tempted to buy a Trident/Treb with my WSP right now, and build a Natasha/Golem/Vitz with Gekkos just to cheaply test out long range tactics, instead of buying another Knifer (Thunder Carnage) with my WSP. I'd argue that RDB griff, trident carnage, trident fury and tripin Tasha's are totally viable. I've seen evidence that Zues Carnages are a solid way hunt all of those.
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Post by [AURA] Pîśtäçhįø on Feb 1, 2017 17:52:32 GMT -5
4 brawlers 1 LRF ( long range fighter) or 3 brawlers 1 capper 1 LRF will do just as long as you know what you can do with that LRF
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 21:55:50 GMT -5
When I want something to put me to sleep, I load either my lvl 12 Vityaz with 2 gekko's and a trebuchet or my lvl 12 Golem with a hydra, at spiral and Trident.
Works every time.
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Post by b4you on Feb 1, 2017 22:09:07 GMT -5
I'm poor so I added a Molot Griffin to my hanger. There are just so many mid rangers right now that I wanted something to punish all those trident users. It is working out ok for me. Firing from 625-675 Molots have a reasonable hit percent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 22:16:16 GMT -5
I prefer KWK Molot Natasha for anti-fury roles.
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 2, 2017 4:34:12 GMT -5
I'm poor so I added a Molot Griffin to my hanger. There are just so many mid rangers right now that I wanted something to punish all those trident users. It is working out ok for me. Firing from 625-675 Molots have a reasonable hit percent. BTDTGT. Underwhelming damage output at that range with moving targets even if you have line of sight all the time. Only viable on Yama, or against opponents that are completely stationary. Trying Nashorns myself next (as the only other cheap option with silver weapons), but I'm rather pessimistic about that experiment. My verdict so far is that the best counter to midrangers is a fast midrange robot (Carnage). The Trebuchet has still the lowest DPS output of any heavy weapon, but they can be a pest if they come in wolfpacks with some protection. But as with Fury Tridents, the team has to work together to bring them down. Can't have them sit back and fire at everything from 1000m, and can't rush them with only 1-2 robots because they will go down before they get in range.
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