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Post by aarone on Jan 25, 2017 22:37:20 GMT -5
So if I lose a drag race in my Prius against the charger, it's because my apponent was a better driver??
Hanger strength HAS to be main factor in MM! No skill required to max out a hanger! I want to be beaten by better pilots, not better hangers!
I've been playing just under 3 months, reached lvl 30 month ago. No where near long enoigh to build a maxed out hanger. And I've spent "real money" too. There is NO reason I should face ANY maxed out hanger. EVER
I leep hearing they will move up once skill is established. HOW??? Move up face another 12/12, lose , come back down. Do they think the maxed hangers don't lose, even if paired against each other?
Or am I missing something?
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 25, 2017 23:21:14 GMT -5
You are comparing contests with where with one, skill is much more of a factor than with the other. Try again.
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Post by aarone on Jan 25, 2017 23:27:15 GMT -5
You are comparing contests with where with one, skill is much more of a factor than with the other. Try again. HUH?? I'm saying my 8/8 hanger can compete against a 12/12 hanger about as much as a Prius against a Charger. No matter what skill. |
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Post by carvr on Jan 26, 2017 0:47:50 GMT -5
You are comparing contests with where with one, skill is much more of a factor than with the other. Try again. HUH?? I'm saying my 8/8 hanger can compete against a 12/12 hanger about as much as a Prius against a Charger. No matter what skill. Wrong - according to my experience. I've been fighting 12/12 bits with my 6/8 hangar and it's going reasonably good. Don't be imagining it like 1vs1 against a 12/12. There is always chaos and you need to take advantage of it. Except for 4+ squads of full 12/12 hangars, though. Then just do the most damage you can while expecting a loss. |
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 1:35:03 GMT -5
Problem is if I'm going to take the time to play the game, I want to know I was a factor, not just a tag along.
Ever watch a little league game? Where the kids in the outfield play with the dirt, or wear their glove on their head? Because they know the ball won't go that far. They lose intrest. I want to lose to a better player, and win against the lesser. Not lose to the lesser just because hes had 6 more months of upgrades!
It's not about winning, it's about wasting my time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 1:45:40 GMT -5
What kind of race is War Robots?
Street? Where obstacles are a plenty and coming around the corner too fast means a wreck?
Nascar? Where the cars have to endure extreme conditions for extended periods of time?
Circuit? Where the lay of the course handles differently for every vehicle, and speed only means so much on a series of hairpin turns?
Drag? Where acceleration and gear control mean more than anything?
All of these are valid in War Robots.
Different strokes for different folks, different roles for different bots. We cant cram the circle peg into every slot of the puzzle and expect a medal every time anymore. If you want to deal the most damage, you're playing for 12/12, even then, it won't be guaranteed. If you want to win, you'll be facing people at your level of play in one composite way or another. If you want to compete, don't expect easy.
It's a game, having competition is fun.
Don't bring a prius to a drag race.
Don't bring a GT special to NASCAR.
Don't bring a pickup to a circuit race.
Don't bring a F1 to a street race.
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Post by carvr on Jan 26, 2017 1:56:28 GMT -5
Problem is if I'm going to take the time to play the game, I want to know I was a factor, not just a tag along. Ever watch a little league game? Where the kids in the outfield play with the dirt, or wear their glove on their head? Because they know the ball won't go that far. They lose intrest. I want to lose to a better player, and win against the lesser. Not lose to the lesser just because hes had 6 more months of upgrades! It's not about winning, it's about wasting my time. It's never a good idea to compare yourself and expect to be at the same potential as someone else who had done "6 more months of upgrades". This means you want to be on par with someone who is 6 months ahead of you only in upgrades, add to that the factor of experience and what you expect makes no sense. Even though I understand what you mean, it's not rational. True, you will have harder time if you don't have any wsp/brit bots but that will harden you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 2:08:01 GMT -5
Problem is if I'm going to take the time to play the game, I want to know I was a factor, not just a tag along. Ever watch a little league game? Where the kids in the outfield play with the dirt, or wear their glove on their head? Because they know the ball won't go that far. They lose intrest. I want to lose to a better player, and win against the lesser. Not lose to the lesser just because hes had 6 more months of upgrades! It's not about winning, it's about wasting my time. It's never a good idea to compare yourself and expect to be at the same potential as someone else who had done "6 more months of upgrades". This means you want to be on par with someone who is 6 months ahead of you only in upgrades, add to that the factor of experience and what you expect makes no sense. Even though I understand what you mean, it's not rational. True, you will have harder time if you don't have any wsp/brit bots but that will harden you. Not to mention the amount of time (uncoined) it took to get those premium items AND THEN upgrade them to the levels of their former items. Many of the people here HAVE been in the game for months, and aren't considering how much of a difference this update is making for new players. There are no more geps with outrageous weapons down low, and the only unruly competition for newbies are the people that are intentionally tanking. The system was never out of whack from my personal experience, because personally, my bots and weapons were equal, and I stopped intentionally playing lower than I possibly could the moment Pix announced this change. IOS players are confirming that MM is normalizing, we on android won't have long before it's true here too. Play smart, play hard. Instead of tons of easy games with the occasional clubber, we now have a game where every match is going to be a challenge. |
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Post by Strayed on Jan 26, 2017 2:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 3:33:06 GMT -5
And if my hanger was that big I'd be a Beast! 3Rhinos Lanclot Furty 3tridents - I haven't been playing that long. "You don't bring a Prius to a drag race" that's exactly what I'm trying to say!!! But I'm being forced to.
"Don't face a 12/12 head on". Didn't know you can tell bot strength mid game.
I don't want an advantage, I want Fair.
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 3:40:58 GMT -5
How did you get all that with only 300 wins?
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Post by carvr on Jan 26, 2017 3:41:11 GMT -5
Then, like mentioned many times in the last days, wait for few more days and things will get smoother.
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Post by Strayed on Jan 26, 2017 3:52:13 GMT -5
And if my hanger was that big I'd be a Beast! 3Rhinos Lanclot Furty 3tridents - I haven't been playing that long. "You don't bring a Prius to a drag race" that's exactly what I'm trying to say!!! But I'm being forced to. "Don't face a 12/12 head on". Didn't know you can tell bot strength mid game. I don't want an advantage, I want Fair. 1. I was on dead city, so my fury was near useless 2. The lancelot is a direct combat bot, it is near useless when not at the same level as the opposition. 3. Wasn't your original post about facing 12/12 pilots? 4. Last I checked, you died faster when facing a 12/12 pilot than when facing a pilot closer to your level. Just saying. The reason why I had only 300 wins and yet still had all that stuff was because I player for over a year before player profiles were implemented. And this match was quite a while ago. |
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 4:00:03 GMT -5
Problem is if I'm going to take the time to play the game, I want to know I was a factor, not just a tag along. Ever watch a little league game? Where the kids in the outfield play with the dirt, or wear their glove on their head? Because they know the ball won't go that far. They lose intrest. I want to lose to a better player, and win against the lesser. Not lose to the lesser just because hes had 6 more months of upgrades! It's not about winning, it's about wasting my time. It's never a good idea to compare yourself and expect to be at the same potential as someone else who had done "6 more months of upgrades". This means you want to be on par with someone who is 6 months ahead of you only in upgrades, add to that the factor of experience and what you expect makes no sense. Even though I understand what you mean, it's not rational. True, you will have harder time if you don't have any wsp/brit bots but that will harden you. I don't want to compare myself with or compete against players with a six or more month ADVANTAGE. I don't want to be on par either. That wouldbe un fair to them. I wwnt even. I can only be responsible for what I say, not what you don't understand. |
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 4:04:29 GMT -5
4. Last I checked, you died faster when facing a 12/12 pilot than when facing a pilot closer to your level. Just saying
Pilot didn't kill me. The bot did!
Bigger bot does not mean better pilot!
BTW That is EXACTLY what I'm saying! I shouldn't be facing 12/12 pilot.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Jan 26, 2017 10:37:57 GMT -5
Problem is if I'm going to take the time to play the game, I want to know I was a factor, not just a tag along. Ever watch a little league game? Where the kids in the outfield play with the dirt, or wear their glove on their head? Because they know the ball won't go that far. They lose intrest. I want to lose to a better player, and win against the lesser. Not lose to the lesser just because hes had 6 more months of upgrades! It's not about winning, it's about wasting my time. You keep coming up with ill-fitting analogies. In this game, the ball is always coming your way. Many balls. The problem is confidence and a willingness to rise to the challenge and figure how you can improve after a loss (or a series of losses), find the weakness of an enemy in a given match and exploit it. And of course, some people come to a realization that they just aren't as good as they thought they were. But rather than accept that as a possibility, they blame the game. Dude, you can do this. Play smarter, not harder. |
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Post by popsicleandhammer on Jan 26, 2017 10:52:43 GMT -5
I used to be a pretty regular racer at my local autocross circuit. I beat a Porsche 911 turbo with my 135 HP normally aspirated MR2. The driver was just really inexperienced. I watched a lady beat Z06 Corvettes, straight times, with a Mini Cooper. Skill really can make a huge difference; especially if the game is more than (go in a straight line). With the new MM system, my hanger is facing mostly 8/9-8/10 heavies now. Galahads, Raijins, etc in basically every game. I've stepped back and reevaluated the way I'm playing, because "Run over there and grab the beacon" wasn't as effective as it used to be. Now it's more "run over there, wait for them to come at you, then dash over there, for cover, before running to the beacon". If what you were doing before isn't working now, stop doing it and try something new.  |
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jan 26, 2017 10:57:12 GMT -5
This game requires you to place the time and investments to play at the top shelf. I am leveling to 10/11 soon so I can properly pay back the cycle of violence delivered unto me by Lvl 12 pilots. There will be leagues soon so consider this phase of seeming chaos as the placement phase.
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Post by aarone on Jan 26, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
This game requires you to place the time and investments to play at the top shelf. I am leveling to 10/11 soon so I can properly pay back the cycle of violence delivered unto me by Lvl 12 pilots. There will be leagues soon so consider this phase of seeming chaos as the placement phase. I just played a match where two of my teamates had 3-bot hangers of 5/5s . No 12/12 hangers but the others were your size or 8/8 like me. We lost but it was close. Imagine being those two players not being much of a factor. But they could very easily have been the best players, just under equiped. Rewards are going to the bigger bots no necessarily the better pilots. You should have the opportunity to win because you can, not because you should |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jan 26, 2017 13:01:17 GMT -5
This game requires you to place the time and investments to play at the top shelf. I am leveling to 10/11 soon so I can properly pay back the cycle of violence delivered unto me by Lvl 12 pilots. There will be leagues soon so consider this phase of seeming chaos as the placement phase. I just played a match where two of my teamates had 3-bot hangers of 5/5s . No 12/12 hangers but the others were your size or 8/8 like me. We lost but it was close. Imagine being those two players not being much of a factor. But they could very easily have been the best players, just under equiped. Rewards are going to the bigger bots no necessarily the better pilots. You should have the opportunity to win because you can, not because you should On the flip side... I, and other clanmates, have been in matches where we were totally outclassed in bot and weapons, yet still brought home the win. The answer isn't some secret formula, it is exactly what Strayed said... situational awareness, and positioning based on that. So many times I have avoided an instant death by waiting a second or two before coming all the way around a corner... or because I noted which bot was throwing tridents and made sure at all times that I was outside of his range before engaging another player... etc. etc. There are methods that work. But, yes, there are some completely unwinnable games too, especially right now. |
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Post by flounder on Jan 26, 2017 13:26:45 GMT -5
And of course, some people come to a realization that they just aren't as good as they thought they were. But rather than accept that as a possibility, they blame the game. That's funny because obviously the game has changed. |
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Post by gothopie on Jan 26, 2017 14:33:28 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the theory here is the reason you're racing this Hemi Charger is because they keep crashing into walls and are unable to be at least intermittently successful against similar equipment. Make fewer mistakes than them and you'll probably come out ahead more often than not. It's a bit more complex when it's a team game though, a lot more variables, and I do *get* where you're coming from on trying to match equal equipment and let the more skilled player win... right now I think it may be a little out of balance, relying too much on their skill than their equipment, but skill should still be a big part of it, for 2 reasons: 1) if someone is really bad at playing, (maybe they have a physical disability or limitation, or just simply aren't that good yet), they may never have a chance to improve if their bot layout puts them in too high of a tier where they get blown to bits, and without a clear way to see exactly how the matching happens, or even a VAGUE idea, if you're just a regular player who doesn't comb through the data on the forums and wiki, you'll probably just quit. Oh I'm sorry, you didn't know light weaponA at level X automatically matches you several levels higher..... Meanwhile light weaponB at the same level finds you equal matches? tough luck. 2) helps mix bots a little better, and smooth out weapon imbalances... if you find a combo that lets you win 98% of your battles (*cough*maggep*cough*), there's a chance that you're not being paired very fairly, regardless of how "by the numbers" the fairness is. Any sort of matching system is going to have ups and downs.... with the old system, top level players finding the absolutely perfect bot/weapon/level combination to allow them to score 3x the damage of everyone in the match combined, and maintain a win rate in the upper 90s was, IMHO, the biggest down side of the old one. I have faith that if the new system is more problematic than the old in the long run, it'll be tweaked further. My biggest issue with the new system, is it sounds like changing out level of gear has almost no effect.... I'd really like to be able to squad with friends, and that's going to require lower gear to match some of them. I don't mind so much being pushed into harder matches when my win% climbs (though making less gold is annoying....), I think the joy I get from just barely winning a super close match is greater than the letdown of losing one. So yeah, gimme matches to keep me balanced at 50% wins, but start giving out a little gold for the top losers at least  |
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