brudeldischarge
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Post by brudeldischarge on Jan 25, 2017 21:06:58 GMT -5
Don't like the new mm? I don't blame you. I encourage everyone that do sent like it to go to the app store and give the game a one star rating. Personally I hate what they've done with the game. I can't play with friends no longer that I introduced to the game. Some have already quit. Pix has turned a mm system that could have been fixed easier and better and made it alot worse. Obviously they are more interested in pay to win over a what used to be a fun game to play.
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Post by Ⅎ₹ѺC₭₩ELDEℲ₹ on Jan 25, 2017 21:17:00 GMT -5
Cheer up...here is a little Soul Train line it cheers me up when I am a little pouty pants.
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Post by zman on Jan 25, 2017 21:17:21 GMT -5
Nope, it's a huge improvement over the Old one. It's gots some quirks and a couple things that needs fixing, especially intentionally tanking ones Elo. But, it is way easier for Pix to maiantain and improve and is the foundation of the upcoming leagues and potentially different game modes we're getting. The Old MM was clunky and full of hard coded exceptions perfect for abuse.
I mean it keeps getting better and better as it settles down. Games are much better, more balanced, closer outcomes, and more challenging of my skills and attention than ever before. Only downside is I'm not winning three quarters of my matches and being too or second scorer every single match.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 25, 2017 21:23:04 GMT -5
Pix has turned a mm system that could have been fixed easier and better and made it alot worse. Well then. Since your obviously the expert, what should of Pixonic done?
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Post by noobcake on Jan 25, 2017 21:35:25 GMT -5
That soul train turned my frown upside down Also, I agree with zman. The new system is quirky and certainly imperfect, yet results in better team balance and is more challenging. I like it but only because I enjoy having competition. I suppose those accustomed to steamrolling new players may have a difficult time adjusting.
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brudeldischarge
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Post by brudeldischarge on Jan 25, 2017 21:39:50 GMT -5
They should have made brackets based on robot and totals and and size multipliers. Said openly what those lvls are so you could build bots for what size and type of robots you like playing. A tutorial system for new people so they know what to build instead of randomly Lvling stuff. The worst part of the seal clubbing was new people didn't know how or what to lvl unless they had a friend to guide them. Because I'm sure this system isn't going to cure the new person with lvl 8 botz with lvl 2 weapons. Of course if they do have a friend that plays.....can't play together now anyways
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Post by zman on Jan 25, 2017 22:27:58 GMT -5
They should have made brackets based on robot and totals and and size multipliers. Said openly what those lvls are so you could build bots for what size and type of robots you like playing. A tutorial system for new people so they know what to build instead of randomly Lvling stuff. The worst part of the seal clubbing was new people didn't know how or what to lvl unless they had a friend to guide them. Because I'm sure this system isn't going to cure the new person with lvl 8 botz with lvl 2 weapons. Of course if they do have a friend that plays.....can't play together now anyways You might want to google the Dunning Krueger Effect, it's a cognitive bias. Hard coded tiers and size multipliers wouldn't work quite as nicely as you think. And, it is actually extremely close to the clunky highly flawed system that just got replaced. Ironically, the new MM will adjust Elo down for the newbie with an 8/2 and give them good games. So, yeah, it'll actually cure that problem extremely well. I do agree transparency would be more beneficial.
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Post by springeb on Jan 25, 2017 22:40:56 GMT -5
I also hope that the leagues and transparency Pix promised will continue to make the new MM enjoyable for me, but the original post referred to being unable to play with friends that one introduces to the game that have hangars much weaker. Three of my own real life friends are at risk of quitting since they can longer squad with me effectively. I have seen no hopeful mentions of any way to deal with this from Pix.
This game really only gets to its full potential with a large player base, so anyone quitting is bad for my own game play experience. I would love to see some special tournaments or events added that could be themed "AG light bots with AG only weapons" or "all medium bots" ... et cetera.
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Post by rommel on Jan 26, 2017 3:25:58 GMT -5
That soul train turned my frown upside down Also, I agree with zman. The new system is quirky and certainly imperfect, yet results in better team balance and is more challenging. I like it but only because I enjoy having competition. I suppose those accustomed to steamrolling new players may have a difficult time adjusting. i am a new player, and this is 「fluffernutter」ing awful. i got into this game pretty hard a week ago and started researching what was good. i have a hanger of four medium mechs 3-6, its all i have. with pinatas ive been 「dookie」 kicking everything around me and even putting a hurt on magnum geps. but now because i did so well im facing 12/10 leos and the like. i literally get one shot every match. i only play 1 or 2 frustrating games a day now before i quit in disgust.
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 26, 2017 3:38:21 GMT -5
That soul train turned my frown upside down Also, I agree with zman. The new system is quirky and certainly imperfect, yet results in better team balance and is more challenging. I like it but only because I enjoy having competition. I suppose those accustomed to steamrolling new players may have a difficult time adjusting. i am a new player, and this is ?firetruck?ing awful. i got into this game pretty hard a week ago and started researching what was good. i have a hanger of four medium mechs 3-6, its all i have. with pinatas ive been ?poo-poo? kicking everything around me and even putting a hurt on magnum geps. but now because i did so well im facing 12/10 leos and the like. i literally get one shot every match. i only play 1 or 2 frustrating games a day now before i quit in disgust. You do know it takes ALOT of matches for the MM to find a good spot for you. But, hey, if baby wants to have a little Hissey fit because it doesn't get what it wants right now, then sure, leave.
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Post by rommel on Jan 26, 2017 3:42:12 GMT -5
ive easily played 80 matches since the android drop, its not getting better. i lose one in a 「dookie」 stomp, then get carried the next game where i do nothing... if you want to engage in personal attacks it just makes you look like a jackass. but the idea here is to protect newer players, i dont have the luxury of busting out my 12-12 roster of gold or wsp mechs so dont get all 「fluffernutter」ing high and mighty with me douchebag
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Post by Spoopy Scary Haunter on Jan 26, 2017 3:49:52 GMT -5
ive easily played 80 matches since the android drop, its not getting better. i lose one in a ?poo-poo? stomp, then get carried the next game where i do nothing... if you want to engage in personal attacks it just makes you look like a jackass. but the idea here is to protect newer players, i dont have the luxury of busting out my 12-12 roster of gold or wsp mechs so dont get all ?firetruck?ing high and mighty with me douchebag Sorry buddy, just sick of all the MM complaining P.S it takes 300+ matches for the MM to even out, so buckle up butter cup, your in for a bumpy ride
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Post by rommel on Jan 26, 2017 3:53:28 GMT -5
im sorry, i overeacted anyway. its just really frustrating.
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Post by whatttupG on Jan 26, 2017 18:31:41 GMT -5
Nope, it's a huge improvement over the Old one. It's gots some quirks and a couple things that needs fixing, especially intentionally tanking ones Elo. But, it is way easier for Pix to maiantain and improve and is the foundation of the upcoming leagues and potentially different game modes we're getting. The Old MM was clunky and full of hard coded exceptions perfect for abuse. I mean it keeps getting better and better as it settles down. Games are much better, more balanced, closer outcomes, and more challenging of my skills and attention than ever before. Only downside is I'm not winning three quarters of my matches and being too or second scorer every single match. Sorry, 100% opposite experience here. Do not concur on anything you propose regarding the new MM, it reads like propaganda honestly.
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 26, 2017 18:48:26 GMT -5
Yowsers - I fired up a game on my secondary iOS account on my phone - I play when I have to wait on others. I haven't touched it in 3 weeks. On that account, I'm a level 20 with a 4 slot hanger with a lvl 3-5 medium and light bots and weps at most lvl 5 - I rarely play it so it's not like I have an awesome record or anything. I thought with my performance score pretty low like zero, it would give me some okay matches right off the bat since we are a week in already.
What a slaughter fest on the first three matches - trident carnages, zeus's, rhinos, Brit bots, lvl 10 heavies, geps, pink elephants, purple dragons - you name it, I think it was in that match venting hatred at me. I just stopped because it wasn't worth it. I can see why some folks are up in arms about this MM implementation. It was just pure madness - some players were 2000-3000 victories with line ups that I see in my primary account - they are still popping onto the game for the first time? I guess that could be true....
I thought I had a bad time as a level 30 player with a H6/10 line up - that was a Stroll in the park vs the cluster 「fluffernutter」 in this secondary account.
All of you lower level players have my utmost sympathy - there seems to be no rationale why it is that awful and I can see why you are frustrated. My only relief is that I can run back to my primary account....I don't know if I would stick with the game if my secondary was the only thing I had. I realize it was only three games, but it matches up with what you are posting.
And to all those on this forum who can only yell at these lower level players to just suck it up, maybe you should go experience the utter crap fest they are experiencing. It is much worse than what I experienced.
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Post by whatttupG on Jan 26, 2017 19:30:31 GMT -5
Yowsers - I fired up a game on my secondary iOS account on my phone - I play when I have to wait on others. I haven't touched it in 3 weeks. On that account, I'm a level 20 with a 4 slot hanger with a lvl 3-5 medium and light bots and weps at most lvl 5 - I rarely play it so it's not like I have an awesome record or anything. I thought with my performance score pretty low like zero, it would give me some okay matches right off the bat since we are a week in already. What a slaughter fest on the first three matches - trident carnages, zeus's, rhinos, Brit bots, lvl 10 heavies, geps, pink elephants, purple dragons - you name it, I think it was in that match venting hatred at me. I just stopped because it wasn't worth it. I can see why some folks are up in arms about this MM implementation. It was just pure madness - some players were 2000-3000 victories with line ups that I see in my primary account - they are still popping onto the game for the first time? I guess that could be true.... I thought I had a bad time as a level 30 player with a H6/10 line up - that was a Stroll in the park vs the cluster 「fluffernutter」 in this secondary account. All of you lower level players have my utmost sympathy - there seems to be no rationale why it is that awful and I can see why you are frustrated. My only relief is that I can run back to my primary account....I don't know if I would stick with the game if my secondary was the only thing I had. I realize it was only three games, but it matches up with what you are posting. And to all those on this forum who can only yell at these lower level players to just suck it up, maybe you should go experience the utter crap fest they are experiencing. It is much worse than what I experienced. Well said, you are spot on!! I can only add that I do not have a second account and I tried closer to 30 times vs your 3 however even after 30 your description is still dead on. Maybe there is a shift at 300... don't know.. not gonna get there.
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Post by [AurN]Zenotaph on Jan 26, 2017 19:45:19 GMT -5
Hey guys, be fair! We all know, the new system will take its time. Just try to imagine, what immense data you need, to balance this game. A week? A month? With how many players? Just let it settle. It'll work out. If not, well, we can discuss it, and seal clubbers still got the rant section of this forum. Win-win Situation, I say...
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Post by boomsplat on Jan 26, 2017 19:54:26 GMT -5
Hey guys, be fair! We all know, the new system will take its time. Just try to imagine, what immense data you need, to balance this game. A week? A month? With how many players? Just let it settle. It'll work out. If not, well, we can discuss it, and seal clubbers still got the rant section of this forum. Win-win Situation, I say... I am being fair....I have been trying to be supportive of the changes....I just didn't realize how much crap is hitting these lower level players. Recall a lot of folks on this forum were cheerleading the changes because dirty clubbers like myself were going to get their comeuppance and make the game great for lower level players. I have not had any easy matches at my L30 status....I'm fine with it as I have played long enough to compete well in a number of matches despite long odds. But wow - I don't know what to say to a newer player who is putting up with the crap I saw in my low level account. I didn't have the stomach to play it and I usually never quit...I just didn't see a way to have a shred of a good time. I preferred to sit in the waiting room doing nothing for 45 minutes than get any more matches in where I couldn't do much except die. So for all the "wait it will get better" statements I've made to date, I just don't know what to say anymore to lower level pilots going thru the mess they are. I just wonder how long it is going to take as the game is unplayable down there unless you do have heavies.
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Post by spawnreaper on Jan 26, 2017 20:21:55 GMT -5
From my own experience i learned how to play from the ex seal clubbers how to play and move and set up botz. Now the new seal clubbers are all lvl 12 with lvl 12 weapons usually long range and dont move at all. Since no system has been implemented on how to tutor new players proper how are new players supposed to learn? Certainly not in game since now all it seems to teach is pay to win. Dont get me wrong i dont condone sealclubbing but i myself do love playing with 3/9 gepards put me in the old mid silver range and most bots i was against were my lvl up to lvl 6 heavy bots. I dont see how people could call that seal clubbing. What i did see was people with weapons lower than their bot lvls and imbalance of bot lvls in their hangers. A lvl 2 bot with their lvl 6 heavy bots for example. You want less seal? Educate them in game how to build a hanger and keep it balanced. You can blame gepard players all you want for seal clubbing....real blame goes to pixonic for not helping new players proper. And nothing new with MM has fixxed this problem.
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Post by bearre on Jan 26, 2017 20:29:41 GMT -5
(This is the rant section, so here I will be far less diplomatic about my views on the new mm than in other areas)
For me this is my 3rd day of the new mm (massive mess). I have a mid level 4 bot hanger of 6/7s.I'm still encountering everything from maxed out opponents to 3/4s. It is a complete cluster 「fluffernutter」.
What annoys me as much as the horid match ups is that each of my last 5 games had at least one (two in some) mental midget sitting there doing absolutely nothing (0-0-0). This is costing me wins in the few games I actually have a fighting chance in.
This was supposed to be the harder system to exploit and its being exploited from the start.
At 6/7 I believe I was silver in the old tiers. That was supposed to be one of the tiers being clubbed and in need of help.I never had much problem with clubbers, hell I had a 68% win rate 3 days ago, not great but I was happily winning far more than losing. Now it's a struggle to hit 50% between the tankers doing nothing and the massively uneven matches. Not sure how bronze level feels but from the silver level PLEASE stop trying to help you've made it far worse.
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Post by NokiaSåmsung on Jan 26, 2017 21:50:48 GMT -5
I've well over 2000 victories. Don't misunderstand. I'm not here to brag. Besides, victories are nothing to brag to begin with. What I do want to relate by saying this is I've played a lot before (plus the loses that are not recorded?). Yes, before. BUT not so much anymore. Didn't we all started from 1/1 in this game? Didn't we get thrashed by all the seal clubbers when we first started? Didn't we all progress and got pass that stage? Didn't every other so called pros or experience players went through all of the above? Question #1: So if seal clubbers made the game unbearable, so why are there still so many "experienced" players around? Why didn't they quit back then when they were noobs? Answer: 1. Probably because the old MM isn't so bad after all. Question #2: So why all this [female dogs] ing about seal clubbers? *yay! Finally found my chance to use [female dog] in my post - I just gotta love Rant Section Answer: Probably because old seal clubbers have collected enough au, so to keep their competitive edge, they started complaining *yes I'm guilty of accusing without basis since I couldn't imagine what other reasons there can be with Question #1 answered - but don't take it too offensively, I'm ranting now ya know Question #3: So why fix something that is not broken (the MM)? Whyyyyyyy ?!!!!!!!!!!! *sry, my keyboard "y", "?" and "!" was stuck when I typed "Whyyyyyyy ?!!!!!!!!!!!" in that particular order Answer: 1. Because not enough players were quitting in the old MM --> need a worse MM to make more players quit *yes, it's sarcasm 2. Because in the old MM, players who've progressed get to choose the "tiers" they want to battle in. Players can choose to club or fight with opponents of different level, plus winning au was a lot easier. But with this new MM, you can't choose. You are forced to face opponents of equal level (and in my and many many other cases, opponent of higher level and better weapons and better bots). Hence making au is much harder to earn. Solution --> spend rl money to speed up everything. *yes, that's my conspiracy theory *and don't tell me to wait for months to wait for the MM to [firetruck] ing settle down, because it didn't take me that long to get through "being seal clubbed" stage when I first started this game Then again, as I've said before somewhere in this forum, since Pix is a business entity, it's only understandable they want to make it pay-to-win game. If Pix account is seeing in the red, game will close down anyway. So at least be grateful that Pix invented this game in the first place. Wait...I started off ranting, but do I end up supporting Pix? Whyyyyyyy ?!!!!!!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooo, I'm confused *sometimes my keyboard "o" gets stucked too *loses sanity bwahahahaha*
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Post by phoenix232 on Jan 27, 2017 14:55:45 GMT -5
i am a new player, and this is ?firetruck?ing awful. i got into this game pretty hard a week ago and started researching what was good. i have a hanger of four medium mechs 3-6, its all i have. with pinatas ive been ?poo-poo? kicking everything around me and even putting a hurt on magnum geps. but now because i did so well im facing 12/10 leos and the like. i literally get one shot every match. i only play 1 or 2 frustrating games a day now before i quit in disgust. You do know it takes ALOT of matches for the MM to find a good spot for you. But, hey, if baby wants to have a little Hissey fit because it doesn't get what it wants right now, then sure, leave. Because forcing people to have a terrible time in order to have a good one makes sense. In case you didn't pick up on it, that was sarcasm.
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brudeldischarge
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Post by brudeldischarge on Jan 29, 2017 2:47:52 GMT -5
Ty pix I went to sliver from bronze to avoid seal clubbing now you've turned me into one with new mm. Seems all the new mm does is make you a sealclubber or gets you clubbed. I haven't enjoyed game since new mm has been introduced
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Post by kingzam on Jan 29, 2017 7:29:46 GMT -5
I am an ex gep pilot, hate me if you like, I don't care, I bought these bots because they worked. Was able to farm silver and gold to finance my gold tier bots and all was well. In a clan but refused to seal club, not my thing, but I enjoyed the game when it was under the old system. When the gold tier matches got too heavy, I could step back to silver and just take it easy for a bit. The new MM doesn't allow you to do that anymore and fighting TT stuff and losing or getting very little silver and most of the time no gold is not fun at all. I don't care about it will take weeks or months to figure itself out, that is a croc of sh+t. Also all light bits are now obsolete, pix might as well remove them from the game because they are worthless. All money invested in these bots was just thrown away. The worse thing is, ic you win on a regular bases, skills and equipment you will be placed in groups that drop you down so you place 5th or 6th or lose altogether, and losing doesn't mean you drop back to a competitive level, nope, you are stuck here, fighting and grabbling to get wins again. Low amount of silver rewards out of frustration you buy pix silver, trying desperately to make your account competitive. Spent a lot of money upgrading but still barely able to average 300k. Big scores are rare and most of the time some 11/12 or 12/12 guys are in the top 3 scoring slots, the rest of us finish with 250k in the bottom 3 and get a reward of 179k, Thanks pix, for completely making this game not fun anymore. This move was obviously a move for money by eliminate farming so you can only buy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 8:43:46 GMT -5
I like the new MM. Games are by now better balanced than they were before, besides the occasional statistical outlier that yet has to find its place. The fact that I meet more skilled (and higher levelled) players more often made me a better player. And besides that: my winrate is steady, with an upward tendency (76% atm) and I make gold and silver on a quite nice level (for my expectations)
I would agree that a league system including tiers would improve the playing experience by offering more playstyles. Would be cool to be able to run a medium hangar without beeing thrown in what I usually face.
Yet a new tier system would need strict reglementations considering bot type/level and weapon level. The last thing I want to see again is 2/12 Geps.
For those crying that clubbing has become more difficult: ooooh... let me empty that tube of empathy for y... ooops, already empty. For those who invested in something obviously broken (Geps) to grief beginners: read the EULA. And: what goes around goes around...
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 3, 2017 13:02:35 GMT -5
Just a reminder to repeat giving one star to pix as this puts it more recent for new people to see also check through and like all other comments that information others of new bad mm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 20:48:49 GMT -5
Trusting the War Robots community on how the MM will go, or what players should or should do, is about as bad as trusting PIX this time around. No support for players by players. Too many of yall lining up behind PIX. They dont have a record of being dependable.
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Post by Conflict's Student on Feb 3, 2017 20:57:07 GMT -5
Trusting the War Robots community on how the MM will go, or what players should or should do, is about as bad as trusting PIX this time around. No support for players by players. Too many of yall lining up behind PIX. They dont have a record of being dependable. Most of the people complaining about the new MM were exploiting the old MM. Not many mainstream players gonna line up with clubbers. Personally, I (a) think the new MM will eventually be better than the old one (it seemed to be for a while, before tanking); and (b) enjoy seeing clubbers complain. I'm not calling you a clubber, mind you - I'm just saying the clubbers are the ones most hurt by the new MM so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," so to speak. I have plenty of things to complain about to Pixonic, but the new MM ain't one of them. Gold "farming" was the single worst thing about this game, and they've at least disrupted it for now.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 3, 2017 21:35:50 GMT -5
Trusting the War Robots community on how the MM will go, or what players should or should do, is about as bad as trusting PIX this time around. No support for players by players. Too many of yall lining up behind PIX. They dont have a record of being dependable. Most of the people complaining about the new MM were exploiting the old MM. Not many mainstream players gonna line up with clubbers. Personally, I (a) think the new MM will eventually be better than the old one (it seemed to be for a while, before tanking); and (b) enjoy seeing clubbers complain. I'm not calling you a clubber, mind you - I'm just saying the clubbers are the ones most hurt by the new MM so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," so to speak. I have plenty of things to complain about to Pixonic, but the new MM ain't one of them. Gold "farming" was the single worst thing about this game, and they've at least disrupted it for now. I'm a little confused by your statement. First of all I wouldn't consider myself a sealclubber using gepards the way I did. Second of all farmers are the bread and butter of this game. You kill off farming your going to lose a huge player base. Fortunately farming is not dead just harder to do. In all these pay to win games as that's what it's become now you need players that whales can kill. For those who don't know whales are the ones pix is only interested in keeping happy. Why. Cause whales are the ones that spend money. What pix is trying to do is turn farmers and hook new players into becoming whales as they are more interested in short term fast profits than long term satisfied customers. The new mm only works for TT players. Reason for that is it is based on the elo system, which is what is used in chess. Chess pieces have no lvls or weapons with separate lvls ,which is why it works for chess the TT in this game and not for beginners or mid range players. Need further proof? I challenge you to start a new account and see for yourself how great the new mm system works. What I see for the future of this game is if it isn't changed to a more even mm system, even the old one was better, but did need work, is that farmers and mid range players will slow down playing, this will disgruntle the whales of the game. And cause people of all lvls to leave and find something else to do. Sealclubbers and farmers might be the official reason pix put in new mm. But the real reason was to make more money fast despite long term detrimental effects it might make long term in the game.
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Post by brudeldischarge on Feb 3, 2017 23:04:59 GMT -5
Trusting the War Robots community on how the MM will go, or what players should or should do, is about as bad as trusting PIX this time around. No support for players by players. Too many of yall lining up behind PIX. They dont have a record of being dependable. Yeah my consumer confidence is down. I went from being a player that went out of my way to spend money on this game to a player cautious about ownership change. To someone who refuses to spend another dime on this game till they fix mm and regains my trust. That and the enjoyment value went down not just cause of how it affects me. But how badly it affects others and long term of this game.
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