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Post by _psychø on Dec 16, 2017 11:12:06 GMT -5
I should call it the Inquisitor MK2, a bot with FOUR medium weapons that are always active, it also has the Descend ability, yes it has a small amount of health but hey! Does it matter when you can go stealth and attack with 4 mediums? It's also fast as a Gepard. Oh and there's another bot with FIVE dashes being tested, you thought 2 was a lot? Well, wait until you see it!  |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 16, 2017 12:06:21 GMT -5
When he kills the newly spawned Raijin Ember with his Exorcist that is ~75% health and have no rockets in the Orkans (starts at 4:30), you realize how little armor matters in this game compared to raw firepower.
But maybe if they slammed the maximum base speed of this Robot to 35 km/h and increased the cooldown it might actually balance it?
Pixonic could balance this new content so easily by just giving it one or two drawbacks (like remove double dash on the Dash bot and remove some armor from the Haechi, make the Shocktrain deal damage over time). It'd probably sell the same and and the game could save itself. It is so easy to balance I can taste it...
Alas... this is Pixonic I am talking about....
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 16, 2017 12:37:44 GMT -5
Sad to say with Pixo, theyre trying to make as much money as they can with what little creativity they have left. This game could have been legendary. Instead, Pixo turns it into a footnote in history.
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Dec 16, 2017 12:51:17 GMT -5
The amount of new content used to come out soooo slow pre Tempest, but now WTH....
The old content was balanced - stronger but not OP..... that used to count for something. That was a reason that Pix said it took so long to release. We now have the opposite.
Players wanted new maps instead we have 4 new bots / 4 new weapons / 2 maps...... and a game that is totally unbalanced.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 16, 2017 12:56:16 GMT -5
It's quite hard to deduce anything except a last minute cash grab here. Once I first saw the offer of a Taran for like 70 bucks, I became concerned the developers were trying to cash out. My fears have been confirmed over and over, I think Pixonic believes their best developers left for Battle of Titans (and it shows with the quality and creativity of their new releases) so they have to cash out now.
This game could have been something spectacular, it could have been an E-Sport.
Maybe Battle of Titans can do it.
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Post by T34 on Dec 16, 2017 16:16:42 GMT -5
Oh dear. Oh dear.
But was the coming of this bot a surprise? Many suspected something big interim was coming soon. I was tipping a new op heavy slot bot.
If this bot is op, costs the price of dash, will people buy it? If they do then they must recognise they are slaves to the game.
And what's next one with 5 slots?
It's easy to put a new bot into a game but hard to do it while preserving the game.
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Post by _psychø on Dec 16, 2017 16:44:45 GMT -5
But maybe if they slammed the maximum base speed of this Robot to 35 km/h and increased the cooldown it might actually balance it? Pixonic could balance this new content so easily by just giving it one or two drawbacks (like remove double dash on the Dash bot and remove some armor from the Haechi, make the Shocktrain deal damage over time). It'd probably sell the same and and the game could save itself. It is so easy to balance I can taste it... Alas... this is Pixonic I am talking about.... Oh please don't put the word Balance along with Pixo, if they want to balance the game they could've done that since the dash bots came out. |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 16, 2017 17:33:46 GMT -5
But maybe if they slammed the maximum base speed of this Robot to 35 km/h and increased the cooldown it might actually balance it? Pixonic could balance this new content so easily by just giving it one or two drawbacks (like remove double dash on the Dash bot and remove some armor from the Haechi, make the Shocktrain deal damage over time). It'd probably sell the same and and the game could save itself. It is so easy to balance I can taste it... Alas... this is Pixonic I am talking about.... Oh please don't put the word Balance along with Pixo, if they want to balance the game they could've done that since the dash bots came out. How dare you They are still collecting data. |
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Post by T34 on Dec 16, 2017 18:19:19 GMT -5
The balance is in regard to maximum revenue optimisation vs what people can tolerate as evidenced by the user base. The game itself is secondary.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 16, 2017 22:27:04 GMT -5
When ingusitior ?fluffy bunny?ed GL Patton and you have this.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 16, 2017 22:37:57 GMT -5
Oh please don't put the word Balance along with Pixo, if they want to balance the game they could've done that since the dash bots came out. How dare you They are still collecting data. ''Here at pixsonic headquarter were listening .... Listening to the community moaning and crying' '  |
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 16, 2017 22:50:23 GMT -5
Sad to say with Pixo, theyre trying to make as much money as they can with what little creativity they have left. This game could have been legendary. Instead, Pixo turns it into a footnote in history. there's no creativity like it used to be. everything here they use are recycled old materials with added new paint jobs and slightly remodified from its previous work. Everything else is duplicated, a progamer doesn't have to do so much. The art of pure laziness. |
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Post by T34 on Dec 16, 2017 23:03:40 GMT -5
Sad to say with Pixo, theyre trying to make as much money as they can with what little creativity they have left. This game could have been legendary. Instead, Pixo turns it into a footnote in history. there's no creativity like it used to be. everything here they use are recycled old materials with added new paint jobs and slightly remodified from its previous work. Everything else is duplicated, a progamer doesn't have to do so much. The art of pure laziness. There is an actual business strategy for this behaviour. It called "milking the cow" where short term revenue is given a higher priority than long term concerns. Brand development, stability and longevity of the company are of secondary importance. Milk it for all it's worth and ditch it. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 17, 2017 2:15:50 GMT -5
Definitely OP and will certainly be the new meta once released....but... Not very fast and a glass cannon (squishy). Decrease speed or/and hp some more and increase decend cool down time and it would be more reasonably OP. Do some real time nerfing on shocktrains like increasing cool down time AND reload rate and it would be desirable but less game breaking.
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Post by hon_shu on Dec 17, 2017 4:49:10 GMT -5
Haha, we all know what's going to happen. "Nerf" the speed to 55, add 30% HP to make it more Whale-friendly and release in January for $500.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 17, 2017 15:08:48 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top.
The Exorcist - 4 Shocktrains, and it can hit you while you have no chance to hit back. But I guess it was hard to find something that will easily defeat an Ember Inquisitor and Shocktrain Bulgasari, so they opted for openly insane.
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Post by _psychø on Dec 17, 2017 15:14:02 GMT -5
Definitely OP and will certainly be the new meta once released....but... Not very fast and a glass cannon (squishy). Decrease speed or/and hp some more and increase decend cool down time and it would be more reasonably OP. Do some real time nerfing on shocktrains like increasing cool down time AND reload rate and it would be desirable but less game breaking. Would you care about HP when you can mount four Shocktrains while having the stealth ability? Plus who can afford it will definitely upgrade it to MK2 level 12. |
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Post by sanr on Dec 17, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top. This is what bothers the players. The frequent release of premium items will cause older items to trickle down to the lower leagues, making them quite unplayable for the newer/low spending players, unless they themselves try to obtain the meta items. I have been successfully running a hangar of Griffins, Leos and other legacy stuff, but not for long. My secondary 6/7 Gold account seems to be a lot more doable, but even that's changing now.
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Post by Joopiter on Dec 17, 2017 16:07:42 GMT -5
I see this thing being amazing for campers.  Low health, but stealth if you've got time to activate it. Manni mentioned it, but hydras will be seen quite a bit on this bot. Four maxed tulumbas will be brutal. Imagine 4 maxed punisher t's... would be getting to damage of two orkans but at 400-500m. Next will be a medium gekko with 30 sec clip or medium zeus that you can arm on this thing to counter all the dash bots.... I don't thing they're necessarily cashing out, but more pushing the limit as far as they can on OP new stuff to force the addicted whales to keep shelling out major bucks to stay the best. Eventually they'll collapse, but pix is hoping they can keep this train going for years I bet. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 16:27:47 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top. The Exorcist - 4 Shocktrains, and it can hit you while you have no chance to hit back. But I guess it was hard to find something that will easily defeat an Ember Inquisitor and Shocktrain Bulgasari, so they opted for openly insane. Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 17, 2017 16:41:54 GMT -5
Definitely OP and will certainly be the new meta once released....but... Not very fast and a glass cannon (squishy). Decrease speed or/and hp some more and increase decend cool down time and it would be more reasonably OP. Do some real time nerfing on shocktrains like increasing cool down time AND reload rate and it would be desirable but less game breaking. Would you care about HP when you can mount four Shocktrains while having the stealth ability? Plus who can afford it will definitely upgrade it to MK2 level 12. Much like the Inq, the stealth is great for a single ambush but rarely much more. I mentioned SPECIFICALLY that the shocktrain issue had to be addressed. Yeah four Hydra's a PITA but a waste of a high firepower ambush bot. I'm not saying it's not OP and that it doesn't need some nerfing, I'm saying the forum response of doom n gloom is probably exaggerated. Remember when the scourge was a sign the sky was falling? Only it wasn't. Few people realized how game changing the shocktrain was going to be until it went live. Many members thought the Inq was going to be the new supermeta (including myself) but it hasn't been. Fair enough? |
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Post by SGT D00M! on Dec 17, 2017 16:44:38 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top. The Exorcist - 4 Shocktrains, and it can hit you while you have no chance to hit back. But I guess it was hard to find something that will easily defeat an Ember Inquisitor and Shocktrain Bulgasari, so they opted for openly insane. Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. Hover bot and storm are hardly meta breaking though. Last meta breakers were the britbots. The American Gunslingers were released after that, but again, failed to change the META. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 17:01:40 GMT -5
Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. Hover bot and storm are hardly meta breaking though. Last meta breakers were the britbots. The American Gunslingers were released after that, but again, failed to change the META. No, but I think the Hover will usher in a new class of bots. Just like the WW bots presaged the arrival of the Exorcist. I don't think the Kbots were meant to be meta breaking, at least not by design. The Bulgogi is very weak to rockets, but has very strong shield. Roachi is very weak to plasma, but has very strong Ancile. The 2 dashes don't unbalance the game much if used as dash in, dash out. Jump bots like the Rogatka, Griffin, and Inquisitor have the same play style of pop in, pop out. But the pilot has to stick the landing better. The stealth is a natural fit when jumping, since that was one of the biggest drawback of the Griffin jump attack style of play. |
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Post by T34 on Dec 17, 2017 17:39:01 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top. The Exorcist - 4 Shocktrains, and it can hit you while you have no chance to hit back. But I guess it was hard to find something that will easily defeat an Ember Inquisitor and Shocktrain Bulgasari, so they opted for openly insane. Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. You are right about the mildly OP matter being the target IMO (plus some margin built in for error). Translating that means, sufficiently OP to overcome the older bots even during an encounter where the older bot is optimally piloted and the new bot is piloted in an average way. But this bot could be more than “mildly”. This bot could potentially counter all kbots (not just the haechi). Yeeeey, one bot battle field ? I watched Adrian’s videos as well (cant be bothered wasting time on the test server nowadays). The thought that comes to my mind is 4x MK2 L12 shocktrains. Hop up once and 75K minimum damage, walk to the side and 75K minimum damage. Run out of targets than quickly get to the next bot. And then Orks scourges, tarans….. anything will go well with this bot. Some say scourges need a kbot because you need three to do reasonable damage,… now you have the option to have four. Mid range will be big in the game. Have this sneaky feeling Pix has mucked up the Inquisitor and as a result did not sell enough. So what they did is reshape it, change the capabilities a bit and whack an extra slot on it. Bingo, Exorcist. 20K less health but it still jumps, still has stealth, faster and that lovely 4 mount points The release cycle is an interesting matter. IMO it is not for the betterment of the game but more aligned to maintain certain levels of corporate revenue and activated when Pix believes people are ready to spend big again (well timed to be an xmass pressie?). Price point of this bot will be very interesting and I reckon it will be available for gold now that most people have used up their reserves. Pix may go the hover bot way but I reckon they will go towards dash bot pricing. But lets be honest, under the current circumstances where Pix is pushing the boundary associated with maximising revenue, this development is of no surprise. To play this game at high tiers the cost will equate to what the bulk of the player base is willing to pay. Pix will find that point very shortly if hasn’t already. And the irony is that they can do what ever they like as it is their game. If people are willing to pay $1000/month that’s what it will cost eventually. Personally I will wait for the next release. I managed to get a mole into Pixonic and info has it that the next OP bot will be a haechi like robot with 4 hardpoints. Less health than a haechi (-5K), stronger shield (+50K), Shield will regenerate faster (200%), more speed (+20kmph) and 3 dashes ? |
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Post by T34 on Dec 17, 2017 17:42:33 GMT -5
Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. Hover bot and storm are hardly meta breaking though. Last meta breakers were the britbots. The American Gunslingers were released after that, but again, failed to change the META. I dont think releasing OP bots only is the best strategy. The strategy needs to involve fun bots, curiosity bots, lower league bots and so on. Same goes for weapons. Than price them according to ability to cater for a wider segment of the market!!!! |
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 17, 2017 17:54:22 GMT -5
I really can't wait for the robot with 4 medium hardpoints that activates an ability that allows it to 30% deal extra damage (like the Rajin in bastion mode).
Only then can we demonstrate the firepower of the fully armed and operational Shocktrain.
Just pretend that shot bounces to every other ship and destroys the whole free to play Rebel fleet.
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Post by shivaswrath on Dec 17, 2017 18:01:44 GMT -5
They were fun but not as OP as the haechi was initially.
If you liked the Inquisitor (I didn't), you'll love the exorcist.
The haechi dash is by far more powerful then the 5 second cool down.
I wouldn't worry...
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Post by T34 on Dec 17, 2017 18:20:51 GMT -5
I really can't wait for the robot with 4 medium hardpoints that activates an ability that allows it to 30% deal extra damage (like the Rajin in bastion mode). Only then can we demonstrate the firepower of the fully armed and operational Shocktrain. Just pretend that shot bounces to every other ship and destroys the whole free to play Rebel fleet. That’s release stage three from this point in time. I think we have the road map worked out really well. ? But the other consideration is the impact on those people that are mainly running classic bots. Soon to be two generations behind and way out muscled. Shooting from a slow PDB with two tarans and 2 magnums against 4 tarans? Alternatively imagine a situation where an ork excorcist encounters an ancilot. The ancilot will be vaporised without even causing damage. Will be more of a mismatch than a db against a destrier. War Robots really needs some competition in the marked ASAP or this is going to be an utter joke of a game. |
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Post by mechtout on Dec 17, 2017 18:27:31 GMT -5
At least get rid of the stealth...geebus
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 17, 2017 18:34:58 GMT -5
It's the expected cycle. At least 4 times a year we'll have new gear that forces all whales to spend new money if they want to stay on top. Four times? It hasn't even been 4 months since the release of the Kbots, and we got the Hover and new weapons. Now this new bot is almost ready. Many think they want to release OP gear, but that's not true. To keep the cycle going, they need to release it mildly OP so it just eclipses the power level of old bots. The Kbots are already going the way of the dodo. KBots were 3.1. Then came Mk2, Inquisitor, Ember, Shocktrain. OK, the suckers will probably put out new stuff by Christmas because that's when some people spend money. The Hover and Storm were not OP, only there to make it harder for free players to get cool stuff by diluting the components. Anyone who spends money on Pixo (well, maybe more than 1 buck for 600 gold) is supporting shameless exploiters. I really, really, really recommend to watch the Jimquisition on Youtube, what he says about lootboxes. |
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Low health, but stealth if you've got time to activate it. Manni mentioned it, but hydras will be seen quite a bit on this bot. Four maxed tulumbas will be brutal. Imagine 4 maxed punisher t's... would be getting to damage of two orkans but at 400-500m. Next will be a medium gekko with 30 sec clip or medium zeus that you can arm on this thing to counter all the dash bots....
