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Post by Nitro on Dec 19, 2017 3:24:31 GMT -5
Sooooo a Bodybuilder Patton and a Kumiho on more speed than it previously was- Yep, we're 「fluffernutter」ed.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 19, 2017 4:31:52 GMT -5
I'm looking at the Exorcist and thinking its time to MK2 my Stalker...and invest in a pair of gusts. Hopefully, the speed will be nerfed down significantly before the Exorcist hits the live server.
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Post by moflete on Dec 19, 2017 10:15:38 GMT -5
With tarans I could see Exorcist beating haechi. Orkans on it, I'm not so sure. One extra orkan isn't enough to compensate for the ancile, extra hit points and dash ability of the haechi. Even with descend, the haechi can just dash away. I see this bot running tarans as weapon of choice for knifer setups. Being bigger than stalker, its stealth mode may still keep him vulnerable. Haechi could deploy orkans and still hit it, I guess....
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Post by mallexx222 on Dec 19, 2017 11:43:20 GMT -5
Hard to tell at this stage but I think the Strider will replace the Kumi. In theory it will do about 350m in no time off the mark. Only high level math, the kumi will need about 5 recharges (in addition to the first 2) to catch up to the strider. Situation looks worse for the Kumi if the Strider can glide and if it doesn’t stumble. Storing 5 charges will aid survivability. Have this feeling one heavy and two lights are going to do more damage than two mediums. This is not a game changer but the introduction of a somewhat better beacon king. Exorcist. I think that’s the new top bot. Its firepower will over compensate for its weaknesses. IMO they had to up the Inquisitor because they didn’t sell enough in comparison to the dashes and the inquisitor was limited by design in regards to how to buff it. Judging by its price tag the inquisitor was probably meant to be the top dog (but didn’t turn out that way). Slapping on 4 mediums was the easiest and most effective way to solve the problem and reintroduce that jumping top dog. If so, it is a buffed inquisitor designed to sell and I am will to wager that this will be the new top OP bot. With orks/tarans it will beat almost any current bot in a one on one fight. The stealth will give it a jump start when it comes to firing and hence will down most opponents in a one on one. Bye bye cockroach. Due to high firepower and stealth it will be able to go on the offensive against the older bots while the older bots have to be on the defensive. Multiple of these attacking together will wipe the floor with the other bots. If they fix the shocktrain bug against ECUs this bot may be less affective from the distance but still could be a nightmare with scourges/hydras/STs. Bulgi from range may still be good and it may be good if facing a taran equipped Exorcist. So there is some counter play there. Not sure how the haechi counter play will work. I don’t think there is one. Hard to tell at this stage but I think it’s the next evolution of the meta or perhaps the evolution of the meta that was intended in the first place. But I do admit that the replacement of the Kumi goes against this argument somewhat. Maybe the beacon caper needs 5 charges to stand a chance against this new bot hence it is re branded? don’t know. But at the end of the day the above is sort of low importance overall. Should the above hold, the most important aspect will be the reaction of the whales (meant with no disrespect). If the whales go out and by them like hotcakes they will be sending a strong message to Pix that it is OK to change the meta every few months and “we” the whales are prepared to spend thousands every few months. If so, Pix will undoubtedly react with the release of new OP bots even more frequently until they find the optimal revenue point considering how much whales are willing to spend per unit of time and milk them for all they are worth (or for all they are willing to spend). If the release cycle is shortened expect the side effects to be stronger. There will be more and more people tanking away from the whale territory. If the whales are willing to spend, tanking away from the whales by non whales may intensify and the whales may end up playing amongst each other. That would be funny. Pay heaps and face the guy with the same gear while the mid leagues are saturated with tankers and smashing the crap out of new players coming through from Bronze. I am awaiting with great anticipation what is about to happen. This is like watching exploitation in motion and peoples reaction to it. It is real life entertainment/horror of sorts but people are buying in. This pretty much says what I was thinking. Outside of the tactics lets not forget the business model of Pix. Design a bot that is OP with enough allure to draw the whales but not completely alienate the base. Remember the statistically 98% of any F2P app NEVER spends any money on the game. The goal is to get it down to 97, 96, 95%. Old players leave and new players come in and find what is to them a new game, app, world it's instantly normalized to them. The 'Inquisitor' did not sell well. I see more of them but they are pretty much a novelty IMO. This is Pix's second shot at it. They are sticking with the name genre as well Inquisitor - Exorcist very relatable. No matter the bot is WAY OP and JUST what the doctor ordered if you are a whale. You're going to buy this bot whatever the price glass jaw and all. THAT's the point. Money is ALWAYS the point. Game play is a consequence meaning if you break this you break the game and those truly F2P's go away to a new app. Equates to far fewer targets for whales, worse MM and a crumbling of the base. This after Pix's 2018 resolution post of listening and hearing to players. It's laughable actually as NOTHING has changed or will change. This is the new way of things. They gave away of Bulgasari and a Kumiho in the last events because they knew their reign was at or coming to an end. When I say reign I mean sales spike the dash bots will be here for a long time. In fact with the new Inquisitor it will take 2 Dash bots Haechi and or Bulgasari to take down an Exorcist. Translation: Buy these dash bots to compete with the now OP and Over Priced Exorcist. But Pix will make a mint off of these new bots. The Strider will be amazing on open field maps. Covering the difference from one beacon to the next in moments. Defending beacons from them will require stationary bots in place at beacons which is NO FUN for the guards. Counter I imagine would be dash bots again that can sprint backwards or forwards to counter the impact. AGAIN spend money on Dash or the new bots or keep losing. My point: This new bot while cool while change the game and force F2P's to make a choice, new or old, quickly. The game will survive, collapse or wither quickly. BoT when it finally shows for starters. That's 2 out of 3 chances for failure IMO with the release of these new bots. Happy Hunting as always...while it lasts.
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Post by noobcake on Dec 19, 2017 13:22:54 GMT -5
I was wrong. I played it a bit on the test server. The health is not a problem on this bot due to descend. This thing pumps out so much damage that there is often nothing left by the time you land. The extra 5 seconds of stealth is for finding cover again.
I really really hope pixonic doesn't release this crap. That said, this past year pixonic has gotten me used to disappointment.
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 16:58:19 GMT -5
I was wrong. I played it a bit on the test server. The health is not a problem on this bot due to descend. This thing pumps out so much damage that there is often nothing left by the time you land. The extra 5 seconds of stealth is for finding cover again. I really really hope pixonic doesn't release this crap. That said, this past year pixonic has gotten me used to disappointment. I think it will be OP. Anything with that much armament has to be taken seriously. Then the jump, speed and stealth. Burst damage will be insane. Pix will release it. BoT is delayed so they can go on their merry milking fiasco without impunity for a bit longer. I think it is interesting that all the red carrot mechanisms arrived late Nov early December when BoT was supposed to launch on iOS. But even with BoT they would have done something like this IMO. Maybe not as blatantly and at such time interval but never the less they would have done it. The reaction of the whales will be extremely interesting and pivotal for the future direction of the game. And especially those whales that do not have very deep pockets but are compelled to buy in order to remain competitive and bend to peer pressure in their clans. I’d say that’s the bulk of the whale population. I think it is blatantly clear that if people buy the new bots Pix will do it again. Buying behaviour will influence selling behaviour. Pix can keep on rolling these new OP bots out one after another as long as they are sold. To compound the bot related cost issue, people’s reserves of gold and silver will be gradually depleted and making the new bots MK2 L12 will also add considerably to the expense. But at what point will whales say enough is enough? I am not happy about the new bots but now I am so curious as to what will happen that overall I say release them asap. It may also lead to my evaluation of how much time I invest into the game as it seems like it’s becoming a bottomless pit. A black hole of sorts for time and money while less and less emerge from it (in terms of benefit).
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 17:02:31 GMT -5
PS: I can sort of think of a reason why they are trying to replace the Kumi. The event lead to too many being given away, the first supply drop will give them away too and they are the easiest bots to aquire via the component system. Too many out there without being paid for by RM. To stop the proliferation of the beacon king and in order to bring exclusivity back in for that role they are releasing the Kumi’s successor.
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Post by grendelsbot on Dec 19, 2017 18:28:52 GMT -5
What is interesting is alot of people usually complain when a software maker or phone maker doesn't release updates in a timely fashion. Pix is the exact opposite. They release new stuff faster than we can earn it or learn it. Must be something in the vodka.
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 19:01:48 GMT -5
What is interesting is alot of people usually complain when a software maker or phone maker doesn't release updates in a timely fashion. Pix is the exact opposite. They release new stuff faster than we can earn it or learn it. Must be something in the vodka. Software developers release new updates to better the product/reduce bugs and fix issues with the aim of keeping the product competitive in the market place so it earns more revenue.
The releases have a different objective here. the release objective here is to maintain revenue and maintain it at an optimal level in relation to how much people are willing to spend. You are not supposed to earn this product but supposed to buy it using RM. by the time you earn it there should be a new product to take its place. In a way endlessly chasing your own tail with component systems and stuff. keep the fools collecting and by the time many are ready to purchase there is a newer thing to assemble. This also involves the introduction of new mechanisms for keeping the masses confused
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Post by anjian on Dec 20, 2017 6:24:29 GMT -5
You think this game releases content too fast? I know of games that release content monthly, even once in two weeks. And the reason for it is that...well...other games are releasing content just as fast, and you want to keep this up before your player base goes to those other games.
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Post by ironstar on Dec 20, 2017 6:45:45 GMT -5
I was wrong. I played it a bit on the test server. The health is not a problem on this bot due to descend. This thing pumps out so much damage that there is often nothing left by the time you land. The extra 5 seconds of stealth is for finding cover again. I really really hope pixonic doesn't release this crap. That said, this past year pixonic has gotten me used to disappointment. I think it will be OP. Anything with that much armament has to be taken seriously. Then the jump, speed and stealth. Burst damage will be insane. Pix will release it. BoT is delayed so they can go on their merry milking fiasco without impunity for a bit longer. I think it is interesting that all the red carrot mechanisms arrived late Nov early December when BoT was supposed to launch on iOS. But even with BoT they would have done something like this IMO. Maybe not as blatantly and at such time interval but never the less they would have done it. The reaction of the whales will be extremely interesting and pivotal for the future direction of the game. And especially those whales that do not have very deep pockets but are compelled to buy in order to remain competitive and bend to peer pressure in their clans. I’d say that’s the bulk of the whale population. I think it is blatantly clear that if people buy the new bots Pix will do it again. Buying behaviour will influence selling behaviour. Pix can keep on rolling these new OP bots out one after another as long as they are sold. To compound the bot related cost issue, people’s reserves of gold and silver will be gradually depleted and making the new bots MK2 L12 will also add considerably to the expense. But at what point will whales say enough is enough? I am not happy about the new bots but now I am so curious as to what will happen that overall I say release them asap. It may also lead to my evaluation of how much time I invest into the game as it seems like it’s becoming a bottomless pit. A black hole of sorts for time and money while less and less emerge from it (in terms of benefit). The whales will be put in a Prisoners Dilemma. Even if the majority wants to boycut the bot there are certainly some who will buy it. If you want to be at the top eventually you will have to follow suit. That will quickly generate a runaway reaction among whales
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Post by _psychø on Dec 20, 2017 9:07:08 GMT -5
I'm looking at the Exorcist and thinking its time to MK2 my Stalker...and invest in a pair of gusts. Hopefully, the speed will be nerfed down significantly before the Exorcist hits the live server. Don't get your hopes high.
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Post by mallexx222 on Dec 20, 2017 15:21:54 GMT -5
I'm curious and not sure if anyone else has noticed that the dreaded Haechi with 3 Shock Trains is rarely spotted anymore. Oh I know they are out there but not in the wandering packs that I once observed and faced.
My thinking is that winning through OP is NOT respected. I know I don't and attribute no skill to any pilot who uses such gear. As proof I can look at their profile and not surprised at all when I can see that they have only a few hundred or a low 1200 games played. Champions have 5 to 8 and greater multiples of that...or they used to. Now they are no more than pocket book cowboys who have purchased the title.
Perhaps and this is ONLY perhaps behavior is changing towards wanting, not needing, to be respected. The bloodied champion who has earned his place through countless battles and skill will always be more worshipful than the black knight with the OP magic vorpal blade whom is feared but never loved.
My point: Perhaps player behavior is shifting to one of fair play which would reduce future sales of OP bots as the player community looks down upon those that implement them to achieve victory. (I am sure many have expressed their distaste for these OP bots on the battle field in various ways that have not escaped the owners grasp of understanding.)
Happy Hunting as always.
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Post by T34 on Dec 20, 2017 17:01:51 GMT -5
I'm curious and not sure if anyone else has noticed that the dreaded Haechi with 3 Shock Trains is rarely spotted anymore. Oh I know they are out there but not in the wandering packs that I once observed and faced. My thinking is that winning through OP is NOT respected. I know I don't and attribute no skill to any pilot who uses such gear. As proof I can look at their profile and not surprised at all when I can see that they have only a few hundred or a low 1200 games played. Champions have 5 to 8 and greater multiples of that...or they used to. Now they are no more than pocket book cowboys who have purchased the title. Perhaps and this is ONLY perhaps behavior is changing towards wanting, not needing, to be respected. The bloodied champion who has earned his place through countless battles and skill will always be more worshipful than the black knight with the OP magic vorpal blade whom is feared but never loved. My point: Perhaps player behavior is shifting to one of fair play which would reduce future sales of OP bots as the player community looks down upon those that implement them to achieve victory. (I am sure many have expressed their distaste for these OP bots on the battle field in various ways that have not escaped the owners grasp of understanding.) Happy Hunting as always. No such thing as respect in this game when it comes to using the best gear. They are on the bulgasaries now ? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:38:24 GMT -5
I'm curious and not sure if anyone else has noticed that the dreaded Haechi with 3 Shock Trains is rarely spotted anymore. Oh I know they are out there but not in the wandering packs that I once observed and faced. My thinking is that winning through OP is NOT respected. I know I don't and attribute no skill to any pilot who uses such gear. As proof I can look at their profile and not surprised at all when I can see that they have only a few hundred or a low 1200 games played. Champions have 5 to 8 and greater multiples of that...or they used to. Now they are no more than pocket book cowboys who have purchased the title. Perhaps and this is ONLY perhaps behavior is changing towards wanting, not needing, to be respected. The bloodied champion who has earned his place through countless battles and skill will always be more worshipful than the black knight with the OP magic vorpal blade whom is feared but never loved. My point: Perhaps player behavior is shifting to one of fair play which would reduce future sales of OP bots as the player community looks down upon those that implement them to achieve victory. (I am sure many have expressed their distaste for these OP bots on the battle field in various ways that have not escaped the owners grasp of understanding.) Happy Hunting as always. Most of the time, I find that builds wane when they lose their effectiveness. So one of the most infamous builds is the Orkan Haechi, but after a week, I noticed they switched to Taran. Then the players adjusted, more shield bots, and they switched to odd builds like Punishers, Scourges, Tulumbas, etc. Even seen a Hydra build. Then it went back to Orkan Bulgogi, and the cycles begins anew. So, I don't know why the Shocktrains are less on the battlefield. Maybe players are hiding and staying in cover, or choosing shield bots like Lancelot or BUlgogi to counter them, so they lose their sting. Maybe more counters like Gekkos, Scourges, or even other Shocktrains makes it tough out there, and they are not good snipers. Maybe the change in MM, so they don't face the lower skilled Experts and face pilots better than them now. Maybe all the above and more.
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