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Post by Poopface on Dec 15, 2017 16:45:53 GMT -5
The way I’m reading this info, I’m stocking up on molots, gekkos, and other ranged gear I can use to stay away from them.
Oh wait. There will be MK3 by Summer ‘18 at this rate.
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Post by nosinov on Dec 15, 2017 17:18:38 GMT -5
The way I’m reading this info, I’m stocking up on molots, gekkos, and other ranged gear I can use to stay away from them. Oh wait. There will be MK3 by Summer ‘18 at this rate. [br Range won't help. The next robot generation will be able to pull you close in an instant from up to 200m by a magnetic impuls. Of course the will keep you in place afterwards, and will feature front shields and several heavy hard points.
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Post by robocain on Dec 15, 2017 17:25:10 GMT -5
Looking at the health pool of the Exorcist, this bot will be one heck of a glass cannon. It is gonna get toasted when it gets flanked. So in the end this bot may not shake things up too much. With the soon to be complete shotgun family there will be a lot of high burst damage on the battlefield. The squishy Exorcist gets born into a dangerous world, let's not forget that. We will all learn to enjoy hunting it down.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 15, 2017 18:02:10 GMT -5
Based on this thread: * The bots are waaaaaay OP * Their release is imminent * Pixonic is stupid enough to roll this out as-is. The only question left is: How much will these cost? If history is any indication, these will be rolling out for about $600. I want to go way under... like $150, but I think $350 sounds right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 18:15:28 GMT -5
Even if they made these bots available to everyone (like for silver), it still would break the game because
5 DASHES!?!?!?! SRSLY!?!?! You can dash across almost an entire map with that! Its like a kumi that got blasted by gamma rays, doused in radioactive liquid and lit on fire. It's just crazy.
Even though Exorcist will be easy to kill, 4 mediums and descend is too much. 3 slots might have been more reasonable, but the Exorcist is basically a doc on weed, meth, coke, lean, and steroids. No wonder this game is dying, Mail.ru only cares about the whales. The only way I would be fine with this is if they nerfed the health to like 100k at level 12, or if they made it go like 25 kmph. And replaced the descend with only stealth. 4 mediums, 58 kmph and descend is literally game breaking. Its a wonder my phone didn't combust.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Dec 15, 2017 19:59:28 GMT -5
Exorcist makes it seem like whoever got to shocktrain the enemy exorcist first, wins.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 15, 2017 21:57:56 GMT -5
I'll reserve judgement until I've tried it on test. Exorcist seems stupid strong though. 86k hitpoints at level 8 puts it at 126k at lv12 and 152k at mk2. 58kmh seems way too fast for a medium with that firepower. Lots of potential to abuse any medium weapon. Specially shocktrains. Strider on the other hand depends entirely on how they implement the 12 second cool down. May not be so op if its 12 sec between charges. Also distance of dash will play a major factor. Possibly on par or worse than kumiho, but a heavy hardpoint/light hardpoints gives it a lot of flexibility. Looking forward to trying this with zeus/gecko, thunder/gusts and redeemer/mags set ups.
Wish I could spend the day on the roof of Pixo hq dropping coins on the street below. I'd probably empty their office.
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Post by mechagodzilla777 on Dec 16, 2017 0:41:40 GMT -5
I just made my forum account today. But anyway, this isn't a power creep... This is a power DASH
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Post by mechagodzilla777 on Dec 16, 2017 0:43:15 GMT -5
I just made my forum account today. But anyway, this isn't a power creep... This is a power DASH
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Dec 16, 2017 2:27:15 GMT -5
Omg, it’s the ennnd the sky is falling, meteors, super volcanoes, ice age, nuclear fall out......
Admit it, you love this game, and it don’t matter what robots appear, you’re a murrrdererrrrrrrrrr
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Post by swordfish on Dec 16, 2017 18:52:38 GMT -5
Holy! 4 medium weapons??? That isn't OP. That is OK, as in Over Kill! Sure, it's a glass cannon, but come on! Can you imagine 4 Shocktrains on it?? Let alone 4 Tarans or 4 Orkans. With that little HP, I can see people stocking up on Shocktrains. And when the heat gets too hot, jump and stealth away. As for the Strider. 5 dashes??? 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Well 4 shocktrains is indeed super OP. But think even simpler, just put 4 levl12 tulus, you have a jump while in stealth so no sniper can hit you! and the cooltime just enough for tulus reload for next hit. there you go... OMG!
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 16, 2017 19:10:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the power creep so much if I had half a chance in hell of getting a piece of it. I'm no closer to getting a dash bot now than I was when they first came out. I keep falling further and further behind the meta, and the only chance I have to catch up requires spending a LOT of $$$, which I flatly refuse to do. I fully expect I'll soon reach the point (again) where it's just no fun playing, and I'll quit (again).
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Dec 16, 2017 20:16:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the power creep so much if I had half a chance in hell of getting a piece of it. I'm no closer to getting a dash bot now than I was when they first came out. I keep falling further and further behind the meta, and the only chance I have to catch up requires spending a LOT of $$$, which I flatly refuse to do. I fully expect I'll soon reach the point (again) where it's just no fun playing, and I'll quit (again). I feel your pain mate, it’s like the hamster on the wheel. Running like hell but going nowhere.
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Post by Strayed on Dec 16, 2017 21:18:12 GMT -5
Right now, the power creep is at that point in a stealth game where you get discovered but don't feel like reloading a save so you say screw it and start gunning everybody down.
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Post by vball on Dec 17, 2017 0:17:27 GMT -5
From the latest test server: — New robot Exorcist (lvl 8): durability: 86.000, speed: 58 km/h, ability: Descend (Jump+Stealth 5sec), cooldown: 20sec, 4 medium slots
— New robot Strider (lvl 8): durability: 118.000, speed: 58 km/h, ability: Dash ( 5 charges), cooldown: 12sec, 2 light slots, 1 heavy slot Prix - Why don' t you just add 10 medium slots and teleporting to the overpriced bots, since it already a total mismatch for medium paying players. Or you can create a bot that when a regular player looks at it they instantly turn to stone, you can call it Medusa! If you are medium/free player - you are pretty much just chum in the water...
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 17, 2017 22:47:57 GMT -5
Holy! 4 medium weapons??? That isn't OP. That is OK, as in Over Kill! Sure, it's a glass cannon, but come on! Can you imagine 4 Shocktrains on it?? Let alone 4 Tarans or 4 Orkans. With that little HP, I can see people stocking up on Shocktrains. And when the heat gets too hot, jump and stealth away. As for the Strider. 5 dashes??? 「whiskey tango foxtrot」? Well 4 shocktrains is indeed super OP. But think even simpler, just put 4 levl12 tulus, you have a jump while in stealth so no sniper can hit you! and the cooltime just enough for tulus reload for next hit. there you go... OMG! I'd have to see that in person. Tulus on their own aren't very OP. Sure, they're powerful, but there just isn't enough ammo for a knockout punch. But, yeah, jumping at 500m and unloading 4 tulus with no consequence. That would be pretty OP.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 17, 2017 23:20:10 GMT -5
Com'on, It's on test server only, don't over-react.
Let's stay positive and contributive, and actively give feedbacks to our beloved Pix.
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Post by Lynx on Dec 18, 2017 6:39:13 GMT -5
Compare this with a Rogatka:
4 mediums Vs 2 mediums Descend (ie Jump both stealth) Vs jump 58 kmph Vs 60 kmph
Basically an evolution of the Rogatka
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Post by swordfish on Dec 18, 2017 8:41:50 GMT -5
Compare this with a Rogatka: 4 mediums Vs 2 mediums Descend (ie Jump both stealth) Vs jump 58 kmph Vs 60 kmph Basically an evolution of the Rogatka Indeed... o.0 What next? evolution of carnage with 4 heavy slots?
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 18, 2017 14:59:19 GMT -5
This is coming on the next test server.
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Post by moflete on Dec 18, 2017 16:04:52 GMT -5
Oh my..... the genital weaponry is truly intimidating.... Does the center orkan come with "protection" or Vaseline at least?
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Post by ༒ƜƦƛƖƬӇ༒ on Dec 18, 2017 17:09:55 GMT -5
IT was very fragile on the test server.. some battles were over in 5-mins.. I never saw "Strider" so I guess when I was on, it wasn't on the test server..
BUT saw this Bot with a double ECU shield.. which was interesting..
The biggest counter to the bot was the Zeus.. which was zapping them all over the place on Sunday, and a fury Zeus made quick work of them.. 20-second cool down leaves them very vulnerable.. Thos 4 med slots.. there was lots of way of configuring them that worked pretty good.. My personal favorite was the Tulus.. pretty much made up for the glass jaw.. you could keep your distance from the Ork builds..
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 23:48:24 GMT -5
Hard to tell at this stage but I think the Strider will replace the Kumi. In theory it will do about 350m in no time off the mark. Only high level math, the kumi will need about 5 recharges (in addition to the first 2) to catch up to the strider. Situation looks worse for the Kumi if the Strider can glide and if it doesn’t stumble. Storing 5 charges will aid survivability. Have this feeling one heavy and two lights are going to do more damage than two mediums. This is not a game changer but the introduction of a somewhat better beacon king.
Exorcist. I think that’s the new top bot. Its firepower will over compensate for its weaknesses. IMO they had to up the Inquisitor because they didn’t sell enough in comparison to the dashes and the inquisitor was limited by design in regards to how to buff it. Judging by its price tag the inquisitor was probably meant to be the top dog (but didn’t turn out that way). Slapping on 4 mediums was the easiest and most effective way to solve the problem and reintroduce that jumping top dog. If so, it is a buffed inquisitor designed to sell and I am will to wager that this will be the new top OP bot. With orks/tarans it will beat almost any current bot in a one on one fight. The stealth will give it a jump start when it comes to firing and hence will down most opponents in a one on one. Bye bye cockroach. Due to high firepower and stealth it will be able to go on the offensive against the older bots while the older bots have to be on the defensive. Multiple of these attacking together will wipe the floor with the other bots. If they fix the shocktrain bug against ECUs this bot may be less affective from the distance but still could be a nightmare with scourges/hydras/STs. Bulgi from range may still be good and it may be good if facing a taran equipped Exorcist. So there is some counter play there. Not sure how the haechi counter play will work. I don’t think there is one.
Hard to tell at this stage but I think it’s the next evolution of the meta or perhaps the evolution of the meta that was intended in the first place. But I do admit that the replacement of the Kumi goes against this argument somewhat. Maybe the beacon caper needs 5 charges to stand a chance against this new bot hence it is re branded? don’t know.
But at the end of the day the above is sort of low importance overall. Should the above hold, the most important aspect will be the reaction of the whales (meant with no disrespect). If the whales go out and by them like hotcakes they will be sending a strong message to Pix that it is OK to change the meta every few months and “we” the whales are prepared to spend thousands every few months. If so, Pix will undoubtedly react with the release of new OP bots even more frequently until they find the optimal revenue point considering how much whales are willing to spend per unit of time and milk them for all they are worth (or for all they are willing to spend).
If the release cycle is shortened expect the side effects to be stronger. There will be more and more people tanking away from the whale territory. If the whales are willing to spend, tanking away from the whales by non whales may intensify and the whales may end up playing amongst each other. That would be funny. Pay heaps and face the guy with the same gear while the mid leagues are saturated with tankers and smashing the crap out of new players coming through from Bronze.
I am awaiting with great anticipation what is about to happen. This is like watching exploitation in motion and peoples reaction to it. It is real life entertainment/horror of sorts but people are buying in.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 19, 2017 0:06:49 GMT -5
With tarans I could see Exorcist beating haechi. Orkans on it, I'm not so sure. One extra orkan isn't enough to compensate for the ancile, extra hit points and dash ability of the haechi. Even with descend, the haechi can just dash away. I see this bot running tarans as weapon of choice for knifer setups.
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 0:44:16 GMT -5
With tarans I could see Exorcist beating haechi. Orkans on it, I'm not so sure. One extra orkan isn't enough to compensate for the ancile, extra hit points and dash ability of the haechi. Even with descend, the haechi can just dash away. I see this bot running tarans as weapon of choice for knifer setups. Tarans Exorcist VS what ever Haechi: Exorcist should prevail Orkan Exorcist vs what ever Haechi: This is tricky but if played tactically the exorcist should prevail way more often than the Haechi. MK1 L12 Haechi with full health and full shield has about 218 HPs where as the L12 orks will put down 240 HP damage. And the exorcist at times will be able to unload without return fire! I think this is the Haechi killer that the Inquisitor was meant to be but never managed to be. The counter to the Haechi. Think about it. Without the shield nerf this match up would have been extremely close on paper.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 19, 2017 0:49:18 GMT -5
I am awaiting with great anticipation what is about to happen. This is like watching exploitation in motion and peoples reaction to it. It is real life entertainment/horror of sorts but people are buying in. Exactly what I'm think of. The Exorcist can just roll out to live server as is, and it would be very interesting to see all the feedbacks.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 19, 2017 0:52:07 GMT -5
Indeed I believe it is a who fires first scenario. Haechi also has enough firepower to eliminate the exorcist with a single salvo. Three orkans is no slouch. It will be interesting to see
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Post by T34 on Dec 19, 2017 1:01:01 GMT -5
Indeed I believe it is a who fires first scenario. Haechi also has enough firepower to eliminate the exorcist with a single salvo. Three orkans is no slouch. It will be interesting to see If my assumptions are correct the bulgie has to fit into the picture as well. Currently all I can hypothesise that the bulgi will beat a taran exorcist, will be better at long range. Ork exorcist will better the bulgi. The haechi will be a generalist and depending on its armament a reasonable counter to other configs. every longer range bot will have a harder time with the possible exception of the tempest fury.
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Post by anjian on Dec 19, 2017 2:20:43 GMT -5
I guess they pulled out the Strider at the last moment from the test server to work on it.
Given the absence of the Hellburner lately, I am guessing that robot is scrapped, and my hypothesis is that the model is reused for Strider.
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Post by Flare on Dec 19, 2017 3:16:46 GMT -5
"Power creep is a process that sometimes occurs in games where new content slowly outstrip the power of previous alternatives. This leads to players abandoning previous options in favour of the latest and more powerful alternatives, resulting in an inevitable increase in power throughout the game."
What happening in War Robots is not power creep. Firstly, the 'new content' in question is being released every few months, each being more powerful than the next. This is not slow at all. Secondly, the only players that can afford the new weapons and bots have wallets the size of a dictionary. Pix is monetizing War Robots more than EA is monetizing Star Wars Battlefront 2. Thirdly, it doesn't look like Pix is either going to nerf the new weps and bots or buff the old ones. Right now, War Robots is more unbalanced than Pixel Gun 3D, and that's saying a lot.
So in my opinion, Pix can go stuff a cactus down their throat.
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