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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 16, 2017 23:04:34 GMT -5
Well I've been a huge advocate of anti tanking for a while now. But I see a lot have already finished the tasks for event and now have bulgasari and shockers. They either had huge clan help or tanked. If you can't beat them, join them. I'm tired of these game ruining fkers getting rewarded. I've been grinding my ads off and I'm not even close. Sorry little guys. I'm coming down to put a hurt on y'all. Dunno if I have time to complete even when I do but it's my only shot. Blame pix for making an impossible task unless you tank [br Lmao! I can tell you I am not enjoying the process. I've dropped to expert 2 and I noticed my rog that I do play does a lot more. Only one person has shot at me and irony at its best. It was a haechi. I'm going to start a thread based on my journey tanking. I hope the mods let it go as I am not a tanker and this disgusts me but I really want that bulg!
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Post by T34 on Dec 16, 2017 23:11:12 GMT -5
[br Lmao! I can tell you I am not enjoying the process. I've dropped to expert 2 and I noticed my rog that I do play does a lot more. Only one person has shot at me and irony at its best. It was a haechi. I'm going to start a thread based on my journey tanking. I hope the mods let it go as I am not a tanker and this disgusts me but I really want that bulg! It is ironic that tanking is not against the rules of the game but you have to be mindful of the mods on the forum because it is here.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 16, 2017 23:21:25 GMT -5
Yes I know. I know it is a taboo subject but right now there are so many doing it that I think it is worth documenting
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Post by Russel on Dec 17, 2017 11:06:35 GMT -5
Lmao! I can tell you I am not enjoying the process. I've dropped to expert 2 and I noticed my rog that I do play does a lot more. Only one person has shot at me and irony at its best. It was a haechi. I'm going to start a thread based on my journey tanking. I hope the mods let it go as I am not a tanker and this disgusts me but I really want that bulg! It is ironic that tanking is not against the rules of the game but you have to be mindful of the mods on the forum because it is here. The reason is that wiki community try to keep gameplay fun and competitive. Thus 6-pack leagues, no advocating for robot purchase and no tanking instructions. But still, people got no understanding of what's going on in the game, and why "leaving", "tanking" and "sealclubbing" are completely different things. All in all I think the whole initiative is a bit like hiding information about drugs from children. Your intentions might be only the best, but children will think you just don't know what's what and will abuse it afterward.
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Post by SuperHero on Dec 17, 2017 11:13:40 GMT -5
It is ironic that tanking is not against the rules of the game but you have to be mindful of the mods on the forum because it is here. The reason is that wiki community try to keep gameplay fun and competitive. Thus 6-pack leagues, no advocating for robot purchase and no tanking instructions. But still, people got no understanding of what's going on in the game, and why "leaving", "tanking" and "sealclubbing" are completely different things. All in all I think the whole initiative is a bit like hiding information about drugs from children. Your intentions might be only the best, but children will think you just don't know what's what and will abuse it afterward. But yet if you try to tell them, or worse yet have to give them the “sex talk” they will run out the house screaming.
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 17, 2017 11:22:16 GMT -5
The reason is that wiki community try to keep gameplay fun and competitive. Thus 6-pack leagues, no advocating for robot purchase and no tanking instructions. But still, people got no understanding of what's going on in the game, and why "leaving", "tanking" and "sealclubbing" are completely different things. All in all I think the whole initiative is a bit like hiding information about drugs from children. Your intentions might be only the best, but children will think you just don't know what's what and will abuse it afterward. But yet if you try to tell them, or worse yet have to give them the “sex talk” they will run out the house screaming. Lol ?
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Post by Russel on Dec 17, 2017 18:02:30 GMT -5
The reason is that wiki community try to keep gameplay fun and competitive. Thus 6-pack leagues, no advocating for robot purchase and no tanking instructions. But still, people got no understanding of what's going on in the game, and why "leaving", "tanking" and "sealclubbing" are completely different things. All in all I think the whole initiative is a bit like hiding information about drugs from children. Your intentions might be only the best, but children will think you just don't know what's what and will abuse it afterward. But yet if you try to tell them, or worse yet have to give them the “sex talk” they will run out the house screaming. Well you know that it is fun to have unprotected, erm relationships and abuse drugs. For a while. Until it's too late, usually :-D P.s. I wonder how "tanking" thread now discussing children. Oh well.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 17, 2017 21:45:27 GMT -5
Anyhow, I couldn't do it. I dropped to expert 2 and couldn't go no further. So boring! Plus knowing what I'm doing to the team's playing. I don't know how people do this. Besides, it took well over an hour of my gameplay time to do that. I'm not going to finish the competition and no dash bot for me. That's ok. I like my dinosaur Lancelots anyhow. Cheers
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 17, 2017 22:01:26 GMT -5
Could we do a sticky thread and merge all tanking discussions there?
Unfortunately tanking is something that is now so frequent that I can perfectly understand why people want to discuss it. And yes, it's a complex subject. But I feel like we have been over this a hundred times already.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 17, 2017 22:15:30 GMT -5
Yes I know. I know it is a taboo subject but right now there are so many doing it that I think it is worth documenting It's not a taboo, and mods haven't put the hammer down on many discussions that touched tanking. But while there are aspects that could and should be discussed here, it should be easy to understand that we don't want to advocate any behaviour that makes life miserable for our fellow players. (Just as there is no place for cheats/exploits in this forum.)
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Post by Russel on Dec 18, 2017 2:31:16 GMT -5
Yes I know. I know it is a taboo subject but right now there are so many doing it that I think it is worth documenting It's not a taboo, and mods haven't put the hammer down on many discussions that touched tanking. But while there are aspects that could and should be discussed here, it should be easy to understand that we don't want to advocate any behaviour that makes life miserable for our fellow players. (Just as there is no place for cheats/exploits in this forum.) The first thing to discuss is why "tanking" is not a "sealclubbing" ;)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 3:12:35 GMT -5
Pixonic could easily fix this issue by deducting only -1 league point when you lose. This way it makes it time consuming, difficult to drop back to lower leagues and makes the tanker give up on tanking. If they can add new content into their game so easily, then why is it so hard to fix the game? LPQ is Pixonics worthless excuse to divert the tanking problem away and it didn't work out. Heathen Cat has complained to Pixonic a lot, but Pixonic never listen and take it seriously because it would hurt their profits. Bad customer relationship will also hurt their profits. People wouldn't spend to keep up with the competition in end game leagues because they can't afford to invest their life savings into a game. But the whales have no problems doing this. Implementing supply drops and battle rewards might solve the tanking issue. what's the point when people can easily play bad on purpose to drop leagues since they can't keep up with the people who have bigger wallets then them? People know that the league system is flawed so they abuse it to their liking. Tanking is not Pixonics number 1 priority, their priority is on releasing content that will get them $$$. Look at their website pixonic.com/ruThey only care about marketing and nothing is posted about the games problems.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 18, 2017 7:43:10 GMT -5
I stand everything in believe why tanking is okay and i do not hold any view it as being a stigmatized thing. out of all contents being released from bots to mass destruction devices weapons, not one thing mail.ru has done anything constructive beneficial for the community. I did my fair time .I have complained and whined like you guys how the MM and everything is jacked up. So i finally founded a solution. Since the main event has arrived early this month, i have been tanking to bronze in order to complete the task. Let me say i enjoy wrecking noob players, because i do not care about quality of this game anymore nore do i care about other individual players feelings anymore as the same as mail.ru doesn't about the community . until then, i will continue to tank into bronze and rack up my rewards because i get the pleasure of doing it so just like mail.ru has their pleasure of milking the whales. If this game went down in the toilet it's the least thing i would cared and If you don't like it, blame it on mail.ru.
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Post by Russel on Dec 18, 2017 8:02:40 GMT -5
I stand everything in believe why tanking is okay and i do not hold any view it as being a stigmatized thing. out of all contents being released from bots to mass destruction devices weapons, not one thing mail.ru has done anything constructive beneficial for the community. I have complainted and whined like you guys how the MM and everything is jacked up. So i finaly founded a solution. Since the main event has arrived early this month, i have been tanking to bronze in order to complete the task. Let me say i enjoy wrecking noob players, because i do not care about quality of this game anymore nore do i care about other individual players feelings anymore as the same as mail.ru doesn't about the community . until then, i will continue to tank into bronze and rack up my rewards because i get the pleasure of doing it so just like mail.ru has their pleasure of milking the whales. If this game went down in the toilet it's the least thing i would cared and If you don't like it, blame it on mail.ru. As shocking as it sounds, I think "shaming" is stupid. However, I find it equally stupid to get pleasure from wrecking noobs. Even if we leave all the ethical issues aside (because, frankly, "ethics" is a quite stupid and subjective concept itself). What I think you don't understand is that you are NOT enjoying the game. You are just phasing your insecurities and hatred from MailRu (because you obviously can't reach them) towards new players. Eventually, you will burn out, lose skills and pleasure of a game. Wrecking noobs will become "a must", not "a pleasure", and you will boast your maxed mk2 hangar to all the people. But the problem is... nobody cares. I don't care what stuff you got, and how fast and easy it was to get. Nobody can measure how much fun you are HAVING, and reason to write on a public forum about HOW MUCH FUN IS IT is a desperate move. You want all the other people to know how you feel? This is the sign of insecurity, again, and need of public's approval. Which is, in turn, says that you lack people approval and seeking public attention. Failure to achieve it in any other way resulted in you resorting to last available means - namely, sealclubbing AND talking about it in a provocative way. In short, ^^^ this is why I think sealclubbing is bad. It slowly replaces YOUR fun and taking YOUR time away. Noobs couldn't care less if they were wrecked by lvl9 Thunder Carnage, or Mk2 Shocktrain Haechi. And I do not care about your "ethics", "achievements", "fun" or lack of thereof. The only people who care are the "tankshamers", and they got a lot of issues of their own. So, to sum it up - You are ruining YOUR game, at the expense of YOUR time; and nobody important cares about you, sorry
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 18, 2017 8:45:15 GMT -5
I stand everything in believe why tanking is okay and i do not hold any view it as being a stigmatized thing. out of all contents being released from bots to mass destruction devices weapons, not one thing mail.ru has done anything constructive beneficial for the community. I have complainted and whined like you guys how the MM and everything is jacked up. So i finaly founded a solution. Since the main event has arrived early this month, i have been tanking to bronze in order to complete the task. Let me say i enjoy wrecking noob players, because i do not care about quality of this game anymore nore do i care about other individual players feelings anymore as the same as mail.ru doesn't about the community . until then, i will continue to tank into bronze and rack up my rewards because i get the pleasure of doing it so just like mail.ru has their pleasure of milking the whales. If this game went down in the toilet it's the least thing i would cared and If you don't like it, blame it on mail.ru. As shocking as it sounds, I think "shaming" is stupid. However, I find it equally stupid to get pleasure from wrecking noobs. Even if we leave all the ethical issues aside (because, frankly, "ethics" is a quite stupid and subjective concept itself). What I think you don't understand is that you are NOT enjoying the game. You are just phasing your insecurities and hatred from MailRu (because you obviously can't reach them) towards new players. Eventually, you will burn out, lose skills and pleasure of a game. Wrecking noobs will become "a must", not "a pleasure", and you will boast your maxed mk2 hangar to all the people. But the problem is... nobody cares. I don't care what stuff you got, and how fast and easy it was to get. Nobody can measure how much fun you are HAVING, and reason to write on a public forum about HOW MUCH FUN IS IT is a desperate move. You want all the other people to know how you feel? This is the sign of insecurity, again, and need of public's approval. Which is, in turn, says that you lack people approval and seeking public attention. Failure to achieve it in any other way resulted in you resorting to last available means - namely, sealclubbing AND talking about it in a provocative way. In short, ^^^ this is why I think sealclubbing is bad. It slowly replaces YOUR fun and taking YOUR time away. Noobs couldn't care less if they were wrecked by lvl9 Thunder Carnage, or Mk2 Shocktrain Haechi. And I do not care about your "ethics", "achievements", "fun" or lack of thereof. The only people who care are the "tankshamers", and they got a lot of issues of their own. So, to sum it up - You are ruining YOUR game, at the expense of YOUR time; and nobody important cares about you, sorry As much as i like you and have noting against you but the insecurities i would leave this out of the context. but hating on mail.ru and they're practices? there is no doubt about that i hate them. And to seek in a public approval? that had not crossed to my mind at all but merely being honestly to oneself . i could of kept quiet and didn't have to be upfront about it. I'm separating the game from the truth sorry to break you believe.
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Post by Russel on Dec 18, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
As shocking as it sounds, I think "shaming" is stupid. However, I find it equally stupid to get pleasure from wrecking noobs. Even if we leave all the ethical issues aside (because, frankly, "ethics" is a quite stupid and subjective concept itself). What I think you don't understand is that you are NOT enjoying the game. You are just phasing your insecurities and hatred from MailRu (because you obviously can't reach them) towards new players. Eventually, you will burn out, lose skills and pleasure of a game. Wrecking noobs will become "a must", not "a pleasure", and you will boast your maxed mk2 hangar to all the people. But the problem is... nobody cares. I don't care what stuff you got, and how fast and easy it was to get. Nobody can measure how much fun you are HAVING, and reason to write on a public forum about HOW MUCH FUN IS IT is a desperate move. You want all the other people to know how you feel? This is the sign of insecurity, again, and need of public's approval. Which is, in turn, says that you lack people approval and seeking public attention. Failure to achieve it in any other way resulted in you resorting to last available means - namely, sealclubbing AND talking about it in a provocative way. In short, ^^^ this is why I think sealclubbing is bad. It slowly replaces YOUR fun and taking YOUR time away. Noobs couldn't care less if they were wrecked by lvl9 Thunder Carnage, or Mk2 Shocktrain Haechi. And I do not care about your "ethics", "achievements", "fun" or lack of thereof. The only people who care are the "tankshamers", and they got a lot of issues of their own. So, to sum it up - You are ruining YOUR game, at the expense of YOUR time; and nobody important cares about you, sorry As much as i like you and have noting against you but the insecurities i would leave this out of the context. but hating on mail.ru and they're practices? there is no doubt about that i hate them. And to seek in a public approval? that had not crossed to my mind at all but merely being honestly to oneself . i could of kept quiet and didn't have to be upfront about it. I'm separating the game from the truth sorry to break you believe. I don't like MailRu at all. And I dislike how Pix decided to cripple the game. I am with you on this one. But from this onward I think the logical solution is just to leave the game (what I am eventually going to do) and move on. Sealclubbing is not a solution. And neither "supply drops" from Pix. Why am I bringing two of, seemingly different, stuff into the same topic? Because both of them are serving a single purpose: To cover up how stupid game is now, and emulate "gameplay fun" with free\easy to obtain stuff. I am NOT trying to say that sealclubbing is "unethical" or something, once again. I think sealclubbing is bad for sealclubber at first place. Think I can relate to your situation - at first you play the game, you like it, invest a lot of time (money) into the game, but then it started going in a wrong direction. Same here for me. Started in Gold, got to Experts, then touched Champs for a week. Soaked up tons of information, current and the past (like "equippable jumpjets promise", the thing that robots had "power" and "tonnage" previously, or Cossack had light slot at introduction). Then since Summer things started going sideways. At first, I tried using "feedback", applied for TestServer, Wiki, every contest, Pix's insiders' discord (now I am at the same chat with all the guys like Adrian, Manni, Foggy, etc). But everything was futile. For the most part, community representative keeps on giving +\- same feedback, and Pix keep on ignoring it. So I guess at some time you decided to squeeze the most out of the game and bring your wrath onto noobs. Thing is - hatred is never a solution, and never was. (That is why I think it stupid to hate sealclubbers, once again). So, I can relate to your feelings so far to some extent. However what rubbed me the other way was: "Let me say i enjoy wrecking noob players, because i do not care about quality of this game anymore nore do i care about other individual players feelings anymore as the same as mail.ru doesn't about the community"I guess if you posted your motives in the forum you were going for a reaction of some sort. And bitterness and proudness of "do not caring about player feelings" gives me a hint that you just seeing sealclubbing as a matter of revenge of some sort. But it's not. You are just wasting your time playing game you do not love anymore. You are not proving any point. Tanking would not help you Mk2\12 new stuff that Pix will keep on releasing. Game is toast, it is now kiddies playground, epsecially wealthy ones. Let it go and do not waste time aimlessly shooting noobs.
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Post by Domino on Dec 18, 2017 10:24:50 GMT -5
Good news! MatchMaking is working much better, no more champion players in Expert!!!!.
Bad news! Those champion players are tanking into Expert and below!
P.S: Hate Pixonic/Mail.Ru and the way the game has gone? Do yourself a favour and stop playing. Sorry that you invested money and time into a game only to have it bite you back however if you keep playing, your just perpetuation that grief.
I think you are trying to hit Pixonic back by clubbing, but as Russell said, you're wasting your time
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 18, 2017 11:11:21 GMT -5
What I think you don't understand is that you are NOT enjoying the game. You are just phasing your insecurities and hatred from MailRu (because you obviously can't reach them) towards new players. Eventually, you will burn out, lose skills and pleasure of a game. Wrecking noobs will become "a must", not "a pleasure", and you will boast your maxed mk2 hangar to all the people. Uum, what? It's a competetive game with a long-term development aspect by nature. The task is to find good ways to win games and develop your hangar. It's entirely up to the game developers to make sure that something like tanking/clubbing doesn't provide big advantages. Don't blame players for completing their objective. And 「fluffernutter」, Pixonic has been completely ignoring the subject for 10 months now, despite having a time-proven concept that made the game as popular as it is, which was called "old matchmaking". (Which wasn't perfect, but not a total desaster as we have now, and had lots of room for improvement.)
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 18, 2017 11:22:12 GMT -5
As much as i like you and have noting against you but the insecurities i would leave this out of the context. but hating on mail.ru and they're practices? I don't like MailRu at all. And I dislike how Pix decided to cripple the game. I am with you on this one. But from this onward I think the logical solution is just to leave the game (what I am eventually going to do) and move on. The whole market of mobile games has gone to hell. All game developers feel like they need to extract as much money as possible from their players and attract the whales, annd obviously the easiest way to set up a cash grab is to provide huge competetive advantages for real money through a loot box system, because that exploits gullible players very efficient. Pixo of course went out of their way by adding some completely unnecessary, ridiculous tweaks like promoting low-skill weapons, swindling all old players from their achievements by making both gold robots and level 12 hangars obsolete, and making new stuff much more OP than necessary. Pixo is just one among scores of shameless thieves making a quick buck by frustrating players and driving them off the game market. But shameless thieves they are. It's a learning process for players, but at some point it will take hold. Just as now most people know that there are no wealthy princes in Nigeria that will gladlly give you 10 million dollars of their money if you help them to get out of the country. And maybe, just maybe, there will be some game companies taking a no-lootbox stance. Because very soon there will be a large group of players actively looking for "fair" games. And you know, attracting a million of players that spend 10 bucks a month still sounds like a better model than trying to get thousands of bucks from very few players in a way that condemns the game to a quick death. I have stopped spending money long ago. Yes, I think it's time to move on. I had some stretches where I started to play again, but boy, 95% of the games were not in the least enjoyable. So I guess if I disappear from this forum then I managed to move on. And it's me, not you
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Post by Russel on Dec 18, 2017 13:22:15 GMT -5
What I think you don't understand is that you are NOT enjoying the game. You are just phasing your insecurities and hatred from MailRu (because you obviously can't reach them) towards new players. Eventually, you will burn out, lose skills and pleasure of a game. Wrecking noobs will become "a must", not "a pleasure", and you will boast your maxed mk2 hangar to all the people. Uum, what? :) It's a competetive game with a long-term development aspect by nature. The task is to find good ways to win games and develop your hangar. It's entirely up to the game developers to make sure that something like tanking/clubbing doesn't provide big advantages. Don't blame players for completing their objective. And ?fluffy bunny?, Pixonic has been completely ignoring the subject for 10 months now, despite having a time-proven concept that made the game as popular as it is, which was called "old matchmaking". (Which wasn't perfect, but not a total desaster as we have now, and had lots of room for improvement.) Sorry, don't see how those are related. leavemealone said that he is having fun wrecking noobs and doesn't care about player feelings. I hardly see that as a "efficient strategy for hangar development". I know A LOT of tankers\sealclubers\scripters\beacon swappers\set-matches-users\paying players who are using "efficient strategy", and it makes me sad a bit, but I don't judge it. Why is it making me sad? Because it is a sign of a poorly developed\keeped game. The game got no rules whatsoever, and got no incentives in terms of "fun gameplay" to keep players playing as usual. Instead, it is more fun to 6pack, tank, smurf, fade, tank, LQ and else. From what I see Pix couldn't be bothered by all of these. And I couldn't agree with you on "ignoring the subject". I am 100% sure, no sarcasm here, that Pix are pretty happy with the way things are now. I just feel the need to explain my view on "sealclubbing" once again =) It is like fastfood overeating. Pretty tasty, really bad for your health and in long-term will lead to a lot of problems. I don't see it as "crime", "steal" or some other "unethical activity". It is just a bad way to spend your time. And IMHO it got only one drawback - new players can see all the shiny fluffy new toys, and will be urged to buy them with $$$, which will drive Pix to introduce more toys for Sealclubbers.
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Post by Russel on Dec 18, 2017 13:27:05 GMT -5
I don't like MailRu at all. And I dislike how Pix decided to cripple the game. I am with you on this one. But from this onward I think the logical solution is just to leave the game (what I am eventually going to do) and move on. The whole market of mobile games has gone to hell. All game developers feel like they need to extract as much money as possible from their players and attract the whales, annd obviously the easiest way to set up a cash grab is to provide huge competetive advantages for real money through a loot box system, because that exploits gullible players very efficient. Pixo of course went out of their way by adding some completely unnecessary, ridiculous tweaks like promoting low-skill weapons, swindling all old players from their achievements by making both gold robots and level 12 hangars obsolete, and making new stuff much more OP than necessary. Pixo is just one among scores of shameless thieves making a quick buck by frustrating players and driving them off the game market. But shameless thieves they are. It's a learning process for players, but at some point it will take hold. Just as now most people know that there are no wealthy princes in Nigeria that will gladlly give you 10 million dollars of their money if you help them to get out of the country. And maybe, just maybe, there will be some game companies taking a no-lootbox stance. Because very soon there will be a large group of players actively looking for "fair" games. And you know, attracting a million of players that spend 10 bucks a month still sounds like a better model than trying to get thousands of bucks from very few players in a way that condemns the game to a quick death. I have stopped spending money long ago. Yes, I think it's time to move on. I had some stretches where I started to play again, but boy, 95% of the games were not in the least enjoyable. So I guess if I disappear from this forum then I managed to move on. And it's me, not you :) Really really really doubt that. 1) People are lazy by their nature, so it's always easier to not to do something, or do whatever you are heavily advertised to do. And oh boy Pix is working on it. 2) Having 2-5 whales always better than having 200-500 casual payers. Less overhead, less service support, less server load. P.s. and I am having fun games pretty often, but I see in the War Robots future\read Pix promises\game design plans and it is REALLY dim. So it's better to leave when you still have a lot of good memories, because it's all that we have, in the end.
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 17:35:35 GMT -5
Good news! MatchMaking is working much better, no more champion players in Expert!!!!. Bad news! Those champion players are tanking into Expert and below! That is so funny :-)
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Post by T34 on Dec 18, 2017 17:51:56 GMT -5
This is not a competitive game any longer. Any reasoning or moral positions tied back to that concept are flawed. It is an entertainment app. What Pix is doing is selling power and traps people longing for power via the red carrot systems. Those who long for the levelled playing field can also find instances of that but at an ever decreasing rate as it is gradually killed off by monetisation.
This is the game for you if • you like to feel powerful (using RM or clubbing) • or want to take the journey to be powerful • you love grinding • you don’t care about these things and just play as it is • you are a collector of items • you are willing to play to experience that decreasing instance of real competition • socially tied to the game • one of the addiction mechanisms is greatly affecting you
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 18, 2017 23:30:37 GMT -5
Because very soon there will be a large group of players actively looking for "fair" games. And you know, attracting a million of players that spend 10 bucks a month still sounds like a better model than trying to get thousands of bucks from very few players in a way that condemns the game to a quick death. Really really really doubt that. 1) People are lazy by their nature, so it's always easier to not to do something, or do whatever you are heavily advertised to do. And oh boy Pix is working on it. 2) Having 2-5 whales always better than having 200-500 casual payers. Less overhead, less service support, less server load. Whales don't stay forever. Most of them are not the stock broker types that spend a few grand to unwind - many are normal people who suddenly realize they can't pay their bills anymore. To attract new whales, you have to attract new players. Loads of them. Pixo is currently doing horribly in this department. And War Robots is a special type of game that requires a sufficient number of players to be online at the same time. Maybe we don't have problems on Android yet, but on FB it often takes a minute to find a match, and there the matchmaker has no tiers at all. I have said repeatedly over the last months that Pixo is walking a path that guarantees them a big payday, but endangers the future of the game. I'm pretty sure that they could have turned the game into a cash cow for many, many years by being just a bit less greedy and more cooperative. But we'll never know. Look how the community has changed - not only the mood (remember the "do you trust Pixo" poll?), but also the activity has dropped. The last test server bot setups once again confirms that Pixo has no intention to change course. So I think the game is doomed, even though you never know. In general terms, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players hasn't realized that the mobile game industry turned into a piranha pond over the last few years, and many games have become stupid ante games with some glorified gambling thrown in. (Just read this forum, I'm amazed how many players believe that getting one Shocktrain Haechi or whatever will somehow improve their situation. They spend $100, then maybe another $100 to fast upgrade, and then realize that they have been 「fluffernutter」ed. And even many whales don't realize that the competetive advantage they bought for thousands of dollars will last only for 2-3 months.) But slowly, this will settle in. Once you realize that a game is exploiting you, you'll be much more careful with the next game. Give it a few more years, but the game industry will change. Supply and demand, and the demand for "non-exploitative" games will be there.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 18, 2017 23:54:16 GMT -5
Uum, what? It's a competetive game with a long-term development aspect by nature. The task is to find good ways to win games and develop your hangar. It's entirely up to the game developers to make sure that something like tanking/clubbing doesn't provide big advantages. Don't blame players for completing their objective. And ?fluffy bunny?, Pixonic has been completely ignoring the subject for 10 months now, despite having a time-proven concept that made the game as popular as it is, which was called "old matchmaking". (Which wasn't perfect, but not a total desaster as we have now, and had lots of room for improvement.) From what I see Pix couldn't be bothered by all of these. And I couldn't agree with you on "ignoring the subject". I am 100% sure, no sarcasm here, that Pix are pretty happy with the way things are now. Well, don't get me wrong. They "ignored" the subject in the sense that they follow a very strict monetization plan without caring about what players think. Yes, they know exactly what they're doing. (Or at least they're following their plan very strictly. You can certainly argue about if they know what consequences this will have.) And it frustrates me immensely because I fell in love with the game before Pixo (or mail.ru) did that U-turn, suddenly pushing for max monetization. Because I know how great the game could have been with just a bit more care. But no, Pixo decided to make the quick buck, no matter the consequences. But just consider the mobile game industry as a new market where both players and companies don't know the rules yet. As in any market, being customer friendly and offering "value" may not give the quick buck, but is really the only way to establish a long lasting business. Before War Robots, I really haven't played any online multiplayer games for a long time. I usually go more for strategic, turn based games. But I did love Starcraft (and Warcraft before that) when it came out, and played it when it was one of the first multiplayer online games. Do you really think the series would have been such a smash hit (I think it is the game with the highest revenue ever) that established a 20 year dynasty including WoW (which was basically a licence to print money), including e-sport with huge following, if the original game had been pay to win? No, it was a smash hit because it attracted a huge community that just seemed to grow and grow for a long time. War Robots _was_ very profitable and could have gone this route IMO, by unifying game play across platforms (attracting the PC and console crowds), and ironing out the kinks that were undoubtedly there in the old matchmaking. Well, could have, would have. It's a game I loved, but soon it will just be another game I played for a while.
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Post by jhonsnow on Dec 19, 2017 0:30:52 GMT -5
In general terms, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players hasn't realized that the mobile game industry turned into a piranha pond over the last few years, and many games have become stupid ante games with some glorified gambling thrown in. (Just read this forum, I'm amazed how many players believe that getting one Shocktrain Haechi or whatever will somehow improve their situation. They spend $100, then maybe another $100 to fast upgrade, and then realize that they have been ?fluffy bunny?ed. And even many whales don't realize that the competetive advantage they bought for thousands of dollars will last only for 2-3 months.) But slowly, this will settle in. Once you realize that a game is exploiting you, you'll be much more careful with the next game. Give it a few more years, but the game industry will change. Supply and demand, and the demand for "non-exploitative" games will be there. Agreed. I too hope that there will be a time when finally most of the people will realise the general intentions of devs of mobile games and than the demand for good games(non-exploitative) will increase. Also true that still many people playing War Robots thinks that having 1/2 $$$ bots will help them tremendously in game. While I am not saying that paid bots are useless but you need to have full bunch of ALL new stuffs to really become good in this game. Having 1/2 won't change much.
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Post by options1986 on Dec 19, 2017 6:03:30 GMT -5
In general terms, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the players hasn't realized that the mobile game industry turned into a piranha pond over the last few years, and many games have become stupid ante games with some glorified gambling thrown in. (Just read this forum, I'm amazed how many players believe that getting one Shocktrain Haechi or whatever will somehow improve their situation. They spend $100, then maybe another $100 to fast upgrade, and then realize that they have been ?fluffy bunny?ed. And even many whales don't realize that the competetive advantage they bought for thousands of dollars will last only for 2-3 months.) But slowly, this will settle in. Once you realize that a game is exploiting you, you'll be much more careful with the next game. Give it a few more years, but the game industry will change. Supply and demand, and the demand for "non-exploitative" games will be there. Agreed. I too hope that there will be a time when finally most of the people will realise the general intentions of devs of mobile games and than the demand for good games(non-exploitative) will increase. Also true that still many people playing War Robots thinks that having 1/2 $$$ bots will help them tremendously in game. While I am not saying that paid bots are useless but you need to have full bunch of ALL new stuffs to really become good in this game. Having 1/2 won't change much. Well, I have only 1 Orkan Haechi (Maxed at mk2) (then Taran Ancilot, DB Griffin, PDB Griffin e Fury Zeus) and my Average is 850k and 5,5 Kills. I would say that my Haechi can score half of my kills most of the times , so it actually helps keeping me competitive in randoms. Can't do nothing against full dash clans, clearly
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Dec 19, 2017 7:14:59 GMT -5
We don't have Tankers as such on fbgr as it no matter what league your in the MM just sucks soooooo bad Same thing happens on Amazon.Yeah, Amazon servers are exactly like playing in the old Leavers Queue as every match has Recruits-Champions all playing in the same match. After you've played you first 5-6 matches you're now considered experienced enough by Pixonic to take on the Legacy level Champions in their Mk2 Ancilots like a boss in your level 1 Super Destriers and Cossacks.
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Dec 19, 2017 8:48:29 GMT -5
It's been over a year now with these "leagues" & the matchmaking algorithm in place. Over a year of constant complaints about its horrible matching qualities and the easy access to tanking one's rank in those stupid "leagues". I've spent my time and then some in Pixonic's punishment queue for dropping out of the horrendously lopsided matches of 6v2, 1v5, etc. I've reported hundreds of obvious tankers without it making a shred of difference as I consistently saw the very same tankers moving up and down those "leagues" without penalty day after day week after week.
A year is far too long for it not to be a deliberate course of action on Pixonic's part. Any gaming company that actually gave a sh*t would have quickly found a better matching formula and ranking system if they actually wanted one. Pixonic does not. They like it just the way it is. They like the rank tanking. They like the clubbing. They're aiming directly at the noobs wallets and could care less about the older game players and their ideas on fair gameplay.
These damn events promote the worst kinds of playing behaviours. Yet how many have we had now? It actually appears that it will just get worse. Every month is going to be an event month. There is not going to be anymore matches where winning is the main objective anymore. It's going to be all about the damn tasks and obtaining equipment. And for what? More damn tasks? More damn equipment? A never ending cycle of grinding for equipment that in essence has become meaningless since winning is no longer the main objective of a match. I think I've figured out what the dash bots are actually for now, especially the Kumihos. Beacon tasks. Haechis for kill tasks. Hovers to help fulfill those kill tasks like a tethered turkey. Wins? Well now that's going to mostly just be happenstance.
I no longer report obvious tankers. It's pointless. I'm so sick of being cr*pped on by Pixonics allowing this to continue. I'm watching players self destruct at spawn and then run after a single beacon and then get themselves destroyed. I'm watching players self destruct at spawn and then attempt to go for a single kill before they get destroyed. All to save time on those damn tasks. I've even been the sole player left after the rest of my "team" was wiped out after all dropped just a single bot from their one bot second hanger.
For those claiming it's the players and not Pixonic...you are quite simply the stupidest people to walk this earth. 「fluffernutter」tard is too good a descriptive. You don't even rate being that stupid. A full year. Do you sh*theads get that?? A full 「fluffernutter」ing year and no fix whatsoever for this stupid sh*t. And it's only getting worse. And you t*rds want to defend the company that has made it all possible? The company that has done not a damn thing to alleviate the tanking, the clubbing, the horrible playing behaviour? The company that actually encourages and endorses bad playing behaviour with their endorsements of stupid challenges and their own insane event tasks. How godsdamn stupid are you people? Wait, please don't answer that. I'm actually afraid I'll find out.
This cr*p with Pixonic has gone on so long now that now even I no longer give a sh*t about winning anymore. I've just stopped trying to win or play with any skill anymore. I just run and gun to get it over with most of the time. I stopped looking at the battle reports. I just don't care whether my "team" wins or not or how well I might have done. It's just pointless. It's all about the tasks. Beacon tasks? I'll run my fastest bots at the beacons until I run out. Rinse and repeat. Kill tasks? Load up with my best equipment and rush in to slug it out. Rinse and repeat. Wins? It'll happen eventually. If it looks like my "team" might have a numerical advantage, push hard. If not just run in and get killed quick to move on to the next match and hope for better "teammates". Rinse and repeat.
This is the reality that the game has become for me. I'm only hanging on because there is no other mech game quite like War Robots at this time in app form. I'm holding out hope for Battle of Titans if it ever makes it to Android. But until then War Robots is my mech fix. But I do not have to be thrilled with the way Pixonic has destroyed the game's playability. Or the way they've turned the game away from strategy and tactics on the field of battle to sh*tty strategy and tactics in obtaining equipment in events and rewards in the game by clubbing the hell out of noobs. But make no mistake, every single 「fluffernutter」ing bit of the problems that are in the game originates at one single source and one only. Pixonic. And if you're just to damn stupid to figure that out I hope you suffocate before you remember how to breathe.
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Post by leavemealone on Dec 19, 2017 9:44:23 GMT -5
It's been over a year now with these "leagues" & the matchmaking algorithm in place. Over a year of constant complaints about its horrible matching qualities and the easy access to tanking one's rank in those stupid "leagues". I've spent my time and then some in Pixonic's punishment queue for dropping out of the horrendously lopsided matches of 6v2, 1v5, etc. I've reported hundreds of obvious tankers without it making a shred of difference as I consistently saw the very same tankers moving up and down those "leagues" without penalty day after day week after week. A year is far too long for it not to be a deliberate course of action on Pixonic's part. Any gaming company that actually gave a sh*t would have quickly found a better matching formula and ranking system if they actually wanted one. Pixonic does not. They like it just the way it is. They like the rank tanking. They like the clubbing. They're aiming directly at the noobs wallets and could care less about the older game players and their ideas on fair gameplay. These damn events promote the worst kinds of playing behaviours. Yet how many have we had now? It actually appears that it will just get worse. Every month is going to be an event month. There is not going to be anymore matches where winning is the main objective anymore. It's going to be all about the damn tasks and obtaining equipment. And for what? More damn tasks? More damn equipment? A never ending cycle of grinding for equipment that in essence has become meaningless since winning is no longer the main objective of a match. I think I've figured out what the dash bots are actually for now, especially the Kumihos. Beacon tasks. Haechis for kill tasks. Hovers to help fulfill those kill tasks like a tethered turkey. Wins? Well now that's going to mostly just be happenstance. I no longer report obvious tankers. It's pointless. I'm so sick of being cr*pped on by Pixonics allowing this to continue. I'm watching players self destruct at spawn and then run after a single beacon and then get themselves destroyed. I'm watching players self destruct at spawn and then attempt to go for a single kill before they get destroyed. All to save time on those damn tasks. I've even been the sole player left after the rest of my "team" was wiped out after all dropped just a single bot from their one bot second hanger. For those claiming it's the players and not Pixonic...you are quite simply the stupidest people to walk this earth. 「fluffernutter」tard is too good a descriptive. You don't even rate being that stupid. A full year. Do you sh*theads get that?? A full 「fluffernutter」ing year and no fix whatsoever for this stupid sh*t. And it's only getting worse. And you t*rds want to defend the company that has made it all possible? The company that has done not a damn thing to alleviate the tanking, the clubbing, the horrible playing behaviour? The company that actually encourages and endorses bad playing behaviour with their endorsements of stupid challenges and their own insane event tasks. How godsdamn stupid are you people? Wait, please don't answer that. I'm actually afraid I'll find out. This cr*p with Pixonic has gone on so long now that now even I no longer give a sh*t about winning anymore. I've just stopped trying to win or play with any skill anymore. I just run and gun to get it over with most of the time. I stopped looking at the battle reports. I just don't care whether my "team" wins or not or how well I might have done. It's just pointless. It's all about the tasks. Beacon tasks? I'll run my fastest bots at the beacons until I run out. Rinse and repeat. Kill tasks? Load up with my best equipment and rush in to slug it out. Rinse and repeat. Wins? It'll happen eventually. If it looks like my "team" might have a numerical advantage, push hard. If not just run in and get killed quick to move on to the next match and hope for better "teammates". Rinse and repeat. This is the reality that the game has become for me. I'm only hanging on because there is no other mech game quite like War Robots at this time in app form. I'm holding out hope for Battle of Titans if it ever makes it to Android. But until then War Robots is my mech fix. But I do not have to be thrilled with the way Pixonic has destroyed the game's playability. Or the way they've turned the game away from strategy and tactics on the field of battle to sh*tty strategy and tactics in obtaining equipment in events and rewards in the game by clubbing the hell out of noobs. But make no mistake, every single 「fluffernutter」ing bit of the problems that are in the game originates at one single source and one only. Pixonic. And if you're just to damn stupid to figure that out I hope you suffocate before you remember how to breathe. a broken matches an illusion you need to pay for advanced items in order to compete against other players. Both side are equally skilled and have same similar bots. the bottom line come down who's composition hangar is suited those situation and those precise moments you made those actions winning. anything out of that borderline frame is paid to win to advanced.
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