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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 14:10:08 GMT -5
When I signed up to play War Robots. This is exactly what I and everyone else wanted.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 12, 2017 15:02:13 GMT -5
How. To. Beat. A. Dead. Horse.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 15:06:43 GMT -5
When I signed up to play War Robots. This is exactly what I and everyone else wanted. Some people are playing the game to win games, while others play the game to win gear. Pixonic has to merge these two player groups into one to satisfy all. This is solely on Pixonic. You are in the former group.
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Dec 12, 2017 15:06:48 GMT -5
My E Honour! Jesus christ, pix sets the rules not you. And pix's rules are that tanking is fine. Until they say different you guys need to stop telling other people how they can spend their time and play their game (and now trying to witch hunt and shame, shame on you!) You don't change people's minds by attacking them ffs Fixing it requires ongoing effort. When loopholes are found you have to fix it again, and again, and again. There is no perfect solution, stop looking for it. Apply everything you just said to posts on the forum. I'll shame whomever I want, tyvm. Your attacks didn't change my mind. What's your stance on blocking other blue players from moving out of their spawn? Pix has done nothing to stop it. I guess those guys are just playing how they want, and we shouldn't complain. Or are there certain social rules we try to play by when dealing with other people, regardless of the hardcoded rules? If you're going to try to apply social rules expecting the same set of rules to apply to everyone, I think you're venturing into the realm of the foolish. Tankers are going to tank. Non-tankers are going to bash them from their high horses. Neither side is going to budge, so this whole topic and argument is pretty pointless.
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 12, 2017 15:17:03 GMT -5
Egonubs. Farming is boring. Jess i killed a fly, satisfaction. Go do that in singelplayer behind the corner or smth. I know humans are seldom piecesof「dookie」s, but do you really have to be one?
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 12, 2017 15:19:46 GMT -5
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Post by Estoplast on Dec 12, 2017 15:23:05 GMT -5
Yep, i really hate tankers.
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Post by amidf on Dec 12, 2017 15:54:55 GMT -5
If you're going to try to apply social rules expecting the same set of rules to apply to everyone, I think you're venturing into the realm of the foolish. Tankers are going to tank. Non-tankers are going to bash them from their high horses. Neither side is going to budge, so this whole topic and argument is pretty pointless. I assume that's the last we'll hear from you on the topic, then.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Dec 12, 2017 16:34:30 GMT -5
If you're going to try to apply social rules expecting the same set of rules to apply to everyone, I think you're venturing into the realm of the foolish. Tankers are going to tank. Non-tankers are going to bash them from their high horses. Neither side is going to budge, so this whole topic and argument is pretty pointless. I assume that's the last we'll hear from you on the topic, then. I thought all "tanking/sandbagging/fading/quitter" and the associated whining about it threads were immediately going to go to the rants section so we can opt out seeing them....?
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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 18:32:06 GMT -5
Allow me start with two statements that were spelt out by other posters in this thread. It is not against the rules and tankers most likely aid pixonic with generating higher revenue. Considering the above, do you realise you are gloating about your inappropriate effort of attempting to publicly defame people and actively promoting the spread of your message in order for it to reach a wider audience? What you are doing is wrong. You can express and encourage people to play the game the way you think it should be played but going on an extensive public crusade (as stated in your post) in order to defame people is wrong. Period. No ifs no buts. As a side question. Have you tried to contact Pixonic about your target or have you tried to contact the player? You don’t seem to mention that in your article. Defamation is a tricky legal thing. But you will be screwed in a legal sense in the “real world” if the right conditions come together for a defamation lawsuit and you happened to pick on the guy who is willing to follow it through.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Dec 12, 2017 18:35:17 GMT -5
Just dropped in to ask if anyone else started singing "Teenage Suicide" from the movie "Heathers" when you read the thread title?
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 18:43:35 GMT -5
There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.
Leagues were invented to stop sealclubbing. That didn't work. Pixonic can't do the right thing because they know that someone will figure out a loophole, which will be then shared and then a lot of players will use it. Tankers can't do the right thing either because they're easily destroyed by other tankers or because they have no humanity.wait, what? how.. why did you? Okay, I'll just say that you are the most original person I ever know in War Robots world.
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 18:48:03 GMT -5
Disagree. Leaving things for Pixonic to right a wrong is like waiting for a corporate company that makes antidotes for ebola for find a permanent cure. That's how they make thier money. Fixing the problem won't help them become more richThere is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.If you damn one, you should damn all. Now you could turn that around on me and state that I am defending tankers and advocating action against Pixonic. However, that is a simplistic view of this situation: What I am doing is logically consistent because I defend the tankers method of obtaining resources because it is the best practice (unless you can show me evidence that you can obtain more resources without tanking). However, what Pixonic is doing is not the industry best practices, it does not make the most money, and it is just dumb because it is killing their game. We see evidence of that by the backlash Pixonic has faced, and the declining revenue and player base.Allowing players to tank and implementing pay to win is foolish. So we should be damning Pixonic. It is way past time to stop defending them. I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts.
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 18:54:05 GMT -5
There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.
Nothing to do with judgement or elitism, please don't exaggerate this to make unsportsmanlike decisions sportsmanlike. Simply play the game how it's meant to be played, you try your best and play each game like you would normally. Do we need to have this discussion again? If you want to lower your ranking, play some half ?bum-bum? hangar, at least play to win. But when you get down to your desired league, play the same hangar that are in that league, don't whip out the maxed hangars in Bronze/Silver/Gold/Diamond/Expert (on Android). Events bring the worse out of people.. For what? a $100 shocktrain or $200 bulg. It's so sad to see people do this over money, especially virtual "things". Really tells you the make of a man (or woman). Just don't forget that a lot of players live in countries where $100 is a month's salary. And a lot of them (I'd say more than half) are kids, who can't have $100 for a single video game in-app purchase. Don't be such a judgemental.
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 18:59:16 GMT -5
There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.If you damn one, you should damn all. Now you could turn that around on me and state that I am defending tankers and advocating action against Pixonic. However, that is a simplistic view of this situation: What I am doing is logically consistent because I defend the tankers method of obtaining resources because it is the best practice (unless you can show me evidence that you can obtain more resources without tanking). However, what Pixonic is doing is not the industry best practices, it does not make the most money, and it is just dumb because it is killing their game. We see evidence of that by the backlash Pixonic has faced, and the declining revenue and player base.Allowing players to tank and implementing pay to win is foolish. So we should be damning Pixonic. It is way past time to stop defending them. I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts. thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/9124/walking-war-robots/Pixonic was making $85,000 a day a few months ago. Down to 65k. Watch that website every week or so and you'll get an idea. Or pay for a subscription. 65k a day is ~23 million. That is what they made in 2016 basically. Before the Cash Robots: pixonic.com/en/posts/336
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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 19:00:15 GMT -5
There is a massive logical inconsistency here that makes your argument invalid: You're giving Pixonic a pass, stating they can't do the right thing. But why not the tankers a pass, because they can't do the right thing? The arguments reek of elitism, and who are you to decide who can be judged and who can't? Because that's how they make their resources ingame. Fixing the problem won't help them get more resources.If you damn one, you should damn all. Now you could turn that around on me and state that I am defending tankers and advocating action against Pixonic. However, that is a simplistic view of this situation: What I am doing is logically consistent because I defend the tankers method of obtaining resources because it is the best practice (unless you can show me evidence that you can obtain more resources without tanking). However, what Pixonic is doing is not the industry best practices, it does not make the most money, and it is just dumb because it is killing their game. We see evidence of that by the backlash Pixonic has faced, and the declining revenue and player base.Allowing players to tank and implementing pay to win is foolish. So we should be damning Pixonic. It is way past time to stop defending them. I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts. Is player base really growing? Even today (serious remark - not meant toe be sarcastic in any way)? Where did you see that figure. That's something I would love to see on a regular basis.
Edit: if so, this and many other arguments are redundant
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:03:04 GMT -5
I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts. thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/9124/walking-war-robots/Pixonic was making $85,000 a day a few months ago. Down to 65k. Watch that website every week or so and you'll get an idea. Or pay for a subscription. Please post a screenshot, I got no account there
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 19:04:53 GMT -5
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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 19:06:19 GMT -5
I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts. thinkgaming.com/app-sales-data/9124/walking-war-robots/Pixonic was making $85,000 a day a few months ago. Down to 65k. Watch that website every week or so and you'll get an idea. Or pay for a subscription. 65k a day is ~23 million. That is what they made in 2016 basically. Before the Cash Robots: pixonic.com/en/posts/336yeah but there would be a correlation between major releases and revenue peaks and hence a cycle. so looking at a line going up and down over a few months is not really that representative unless there are significant deviations.
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:07:23 GMT -5
I like your posts, but please get the hard facts. For what I know the game, financially-wise, is at its most fruitful state ever. Since 2014. And playerbase is growing. It's only the wiki community that is dying, but not really, tbh. P.s. I do NOT like the state of the game. It is not my opinion, just hard facts. Is player base really growing? Even today (serious remark - not meant toe be sarcastic in any way)? Where did you see that figure. That's something I would love to see on a regular basis.
Edit: if so, this and many other arguments are redundant
Yeah, pretty much open information from MailRu press release: markets.ft.com/data/announce/detail?dockey=1323-13207718-6B6HQ1DKA4PPP6I209RJ3P6QAGAnd please do NOT mix "app rank" and "app review". www.appannie.com/apps/ios/app/walking-war-robots/rank-history/?vtype=day&countries=US&device=iphone&view=grossing&legends=2222&date=2014-04-14~2017-12-12bronzeknee: 85 K a day, you say? So they _USED TO_ earn 2.6 mil per month, yeah. Well now it's: sensortower.com
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:09:46 GMT -5
It might be "iPhone" and "United states" in your filters that mess things up, I guess. Can it show "worldwide" and "all devices"?
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Post by bronzeknee on Dec 12, 2017 19:19:01 GMT -5
It might be "iPhone" and "United states" in your filters that mess things up, I guess. Can it show "worldwide" and "all devices"? I can only see that page without a subscription, so I use it as a reference point.
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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 19:22:10 GMT -5
Q1 fin results were pre dash so perhaps not that relevant. cant see the usage stats as it is locked down (appanie) and not gonna pay for it :-)
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Post by Domino on Dec 12, 2017 19:22:11 GMT -5
Nothing to do with judgement or elitism, please don't exaggerate this to make unsportsmanlike decisions sportsmanlike. Simply play the game how it's meant to be played, you try your best and play each game like you would normally. Do we need to have this discussion again? If you want to lower your ranking, play some half ?bum-bum? hangar, at least play to win. But when you get down to your desired league, play the same hangar that are in that league, don't whip out the maxed hangars in Bronze/Silver/Gold/Diamond/Expert (on Android). Events bring the worse out of people.. For what? a $100 shocktrain or $200 bulg. It's so sad to see people do this over money, especially virtual "things". Really tells you the make of a man (or woman). Just don't forget that a lot of players live in countries where $100 is a month's salary. And a lot of them (I'd say more than half) are kids, who can't have $100 for a single video game in-app purchase. Don't be such a judgemental. 1 or 10000. dilebertaly losing a game to lower your league and gain an edge over the competition at expense of others is wrong. Or in the case of events, club to finish quicker and gain bots/weapons.. again at the expense of other people's time and playing experience. You can try to make me the bad guy and call me judgemental. But then that's judmental. How about making an argument and present it with facts? But really it's black or white. Tell a judge that you stole a box a paper from work but didn't harm anyone. Your only trying to convince yourself and justify wrong by blaming the system for it. My 8 year old does this. Sad when adults do it too. I'm not interested in being drawn into another argument where were blaming Pixonic for our unsportsmanlike like tactics for perosnal gain.
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:25:56 GMT -5
And even more than that: Beginning of 2017, they are proud to have ~$1mln per month And now they are making ~$3 mln a month, less than year later. I won't call it "demise" or "death".
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:28:44 GMT -5
Just don't forget that a lot of players live in countries where $100 is a month's salary. And a lot of them (I'd say more than half) are kids, who can't have $100 for a single video game in-app purchase. Don't be such a judgemental. 1 or 10000. dilebertaly losing a game to lower your league and gain an edge over the competition at expense of others is wrong. Or in the case of events, club to finish quicker and gain bots/weapons.. again at the expense of other people's time and playing experience. You can try to make me the bad guy and call me judgemental. But then that's judmental. How about making an argument and present it with facts? But really it's black or white. Tell a judge that you stole a box a paper from work but didn't harm anyone. Your only trying to convince yourself and justify wrong by blaming the system for it. My 8 year old does this. Sad when adults do it too. I'm not interested in being drawn into another argument where were blaming Pixonic for our unsportsmanlike like tactics for perosnal gain. Why is that so? Because it's ruining 10 minutes of your life? So, your values are better than other person's values? Somebody got plenty of money on their hands, and value gameplay time and quality more. Other people got zero money and lots of time, so their values are quite the opposite. You are not worse nor better than any tanker\sealclubber\whale in the game, they got same rights as you.
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Post by Russel on Dec 12, 2017 19:36:22 GMT -5
To clarify some things.
1) I find it wrong when people bring maxed hangar to Bronze and play there. Just because you have hangar and newbies don't 2) I find it wrong when people use Haechi. Just because you can, and others can't. You ruin the game for others. 3) I find it wrong when people use Ancilots. Those bots are ruining "scissor-paper-rock" metagame. 4) I find it wrong when people stay in champs "no matter the cost". It ruins the game for them. 5) I find it wrong when people complain about game imbalance and then use imbalanced weapons "to stay competitive". This is just hypocritical. 6) I find it wrong when people think others must play only "the only one true honorable way". Because it's a sign of an intolerant shortsighted person.
So I rant and sigh when I see people doing 1-5, but I always keep 6 in mind, so I won't dictate others how they should behave.
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Post by T34 on Dec 12, 2017 19:39:41 GMT -5
Just don't forget that a lot of players live in countries where $100 is a month's salary. And a lot of them (I'd say more than half) are kids, who can't have $100 for a single video game in-app purchase. Don't be such a judgemental. But really it's black or white. Tell a judge that you stole a box a paper from work but didn't harm anyone. Your only trying to convince yourself and justify wrong by blaming the system for it. My 8 year old does this. Sad when adults do it too. Poor analogy. Theft is illegal. Never confuse it with rules in a game. But then again there isn't even a rule in the game to say that activity is not allowed.
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Post by Carbonite on Dec 12, 2017 19:52:26 GMT -5
Whats the difference between tanking and playing with your sad useless bots that have a good chance of killing your rank ? I think there is a big difference. This is a game that is meant to be enjoyable. I like playing a range of bots with different skills. The current game at the top uses almost exclusively 4-5 bots out of the many available. If I choose to use bots that are not my strongest HP or weapons-wise, it does not mean I am tanking.
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Post by ΜØØSE on Dec 12, 2017 20:07:15 GMT -5
We have two F2P choices:
1. Consistently play your 「bum-bum」 off to win, climb the leagues, experience diminished returns of silver and gold because you are playing against harder competition and taking more damage.
2. Play a few rounds like a jackass with a wimpy hangar, wreaking havoc on both sides, acquiring moderate silver while dropping leagues. Then play your 「bum-bum」 off for a few rounds and reap major silver and gold.
Farming is more effective in lower leagues. Until Pixonic fixes that, tanking will be a problem and matchmaking will suck.
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