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Post by pirateb0t on Dec 4, 2017 15:08:33 GMT -5
They know shocktrains are a broken weapon that was the whole point. Release one end game type weapon and compel others to buy more dashes and shocktrains to compete before releasing an even stronger weapon or bot as counter. They are going to power creep with this until the gap between silver bots and premium is so huge everyone is forced to buy something to play.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Dec 4, 2017 16:56:11 GMT -5
I would love to know how and why this weapon is so unique in being able to hit any bot through any shield. The only counter to this mess is to focus on eliminating the shock train bot as fast as possible. Keep in mind how shock trains are played, which is hit and run, they will not run at you like an orkan haechi will.
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Post by Deadeye on Dec 4, 2017 17:07:26 GMT -5
I would love to know how and why this weapon is so unique in being able to hit any bot through any shield. The only counter to this mess is to focus on eliminating the shock train bot as fast as possible. Keep in mind how shock trains are played, which is hit and run, they will not run at you like an orkan haechi will. I try to chase them down in my Rhino like this...
Nothing else on my mind. Laser focus. Either that, or zap 'em with the Zeuses when they pop their annoying little heads out. Actually, that's why I hate the Bulgasari Shocktrains worse than the Haechi. They have protection and can corner shoot those suckers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 17:28:18 GMT -5
I would love to know how and why this weapon is so unique in being able to hit any bot through any shield. The only counter to this mess is to focus on eliminating the shock train bot as fast as possible. Keep in mind how shock trains are played, which is hit and run, they will not run at you like an orkan haechi will. I try to chase them down in my Rhino like this...
Nothing else on my mind. Laser focus. Either that, or zap 'em with the Zeuses when they pop their annoying little heads out. Actually, that's why I hate the Bulgasari Shocktrains worse than the Haechi. They have protection and can corner shoot those suckers.
I never realized there was a big difference in the 2 platforms, the Bulgogi and Haechi Shocktrains. But Bulgogi sounds like a nightmare. That's why I must hunt them down with literally lazer focus. Man, that cheetah is insane! He jukes like 5 times. I had to watch it multiple times before I noticed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 17:39:17 GMT -5
They know shocktrains are a broken weapon that was the whole point. Release one end game type weapon and compel others to buy more dashes and shocktrains to compete before releasing an even stronger weapon or bot as counter. They are going to power creep with this until the gap between silver bots and premium is so huge everyone is forced to buy something to play. Don't worry. They are giving away free DIE gear, collect them all! 1 per month! Don't worry about power creep either. In 6 months time, the Bulgogi will look like a Stalker. If you don't want to wait 6 months, don't worry! They are having events every month, maybe 2x a month even. Get it all, for the low low price of FREE!
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Post by GuitarGuy on Dec 4, 2017 17:58:58 GMT -5
Ok, so I ran the test. Galahad is stock level 12. Shocktrains hitting me are mkii level 11.
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Post by inspirace on Dec 4, 2017 20:13:10 GMT -5
Ok, so I ran the test. Galahad is stock level 12. Shocktrains hitting me are mkii level 11. Thanks, GuitarGuy! so this is exactly the same with what I experienced. Galahad was hit twice: 1st hit damage = 120,000 - 94,260 = 25,380 2nd hit damage = 94,260 - 69,240 = 25,380 level 11 Shocktrain will do 2,820 damage per charge. so three of them are supposed to do this much damage = 2,820 per charge x 5 charges (full) x 3 Shocktrains x 1.2 (for being MkII) = 50,760 so again, the Shocktrain went through the shield and did EXACTLY HALF the damage it supposed to do to the first target. ... now the question is, how much damage the shield had received... if you have time, can you do one more test? can you shoot the (poor) Galahad again and again with fully charged Shocktrains, and see whether the Galahad will be killed first or the shield will fall apart first? level 12 Galahad main body has 120,000 HP and shield has 199,000 HP. so, let me see ... (1) if the Shocktrain damage evenly half and half both the shield and the bot, or only the main body without harming the shield (which is unlikely), the Galahad will be killed at the 5th (fully charged) shot with the shield intact, (2) if the Shocktrain do the full damage to the shield and chained to the main body (hence the half damage), the shield will fall apart at the 4th (fully charged) shot while the bot still stand with 18,480 HP left.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 4, 2017 20:33:53 GMT -5
I checked this in Custom awhile back. Shocktrain goes through Galahad, Gareth, and ECU. It can be blocked by Lancelot, Raijin, and Rhino. It's not only Shocktrain. I died in a Gary yesterday from a Taran with shield intact and between me and the firing robot. Lancelot too, it's possible to aim for the legs (close to the edges of the red target box) and score hits even though the shield is intact. Somehow the mechanics of physical shields have changed in one of the last updates.
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Post by frunobulax on Dec 4, 2017 20:37:14 GMT -5
I would love to know how and why this weapon is so unique in being able to hit any bot through any shield. Don't forget the Ember.
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Post by rollinfknpower on Dec 5, 2017 1:10:00 GMT -5
Good info. Perhaps it wasn't the initial blast that hit me? Still had enough in it to kill the fury next to me. Another interesting test would be to see what the damage to a second bot would be. If the shield acted like bot one while the bot itself acted like bot 2 then another bot should reduce the damage as though it passed through 3 correct?
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Post by SuperHero on Dec 5, 2017 1:49:48 GMT -5
I have checked with Pix and confirm that the Shocktrain bypassing shields IS a bug. They are aware and the fix will come in 3.5
the bug is not consistent as my shocktrains have been blocked 100% by Galahad and Lancelot shields before
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Post by The VVatcher on Dec 5, 2017 2:03:13 GMT -5
I checked this in Custom awhile back. Shocktrain goes through Galahad, Gareth, and ECU. It can be blocked by Lancelot, Raijin, and Rhino. It's not only Shocktrain. I died in a Gary yesterday from a Taran with shield intact and between me and the firing robot. Lancelot too, it's possible to aim for the legs (close to the edges of the red target box) and score hits even though the shield is intact. Somehow the mechanics of physical shields have changed in one of the last updates. We shot it from different angles. I was trying to find if there’s a specific angle to block it because I know about that Lance thing. It goes through every time from all angles. It was as if there’s no shield at all with Galahad, Garrett, and ECU. Lance, Raijin, and Rhino blocked it everytime with Rhino having the best shield coverage. Raijin having the most narrow.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Dec 5, 2017 7:02:16 GMT -5
Ok then 2 weapons on war robots that ignores physical and energy shield. It's ember and shocktrain.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 5, 2017 7:43:58 GMT -5
GuitarGuy @macwarrobots hyderier Brimstone @dreamweaver okay guys, I have a theory explaining why my Galahad received exactly the half of the damage. the Shoktrucks considered the shield as the FIRST target, and after hitting the shieled it CHAINED to the main body of the Galahad as the SECOND target. hence the damage was reduced by 50%. the shield should have received full damage, but the Galahad shield, 176K at level 10, can stand the first two blasts. Didn't someone say that the Lancelot shield does block the Shocktrain? If so, then you're theory holds water, cause maybe on the Lancelot, the Shocktrain chains to all 3 shields before it hits the bot?
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 5, 2017 7:46:53 GMT -5
They know shocktrains are a broken weapon that was the whole point. Release one end game type weapon and compel others to buy more dashes and shocktrains to compete before releasing an even stronger weapon or bot as counter. They are going to power creep with this until the gap between silver bots and premium is so huge everyone is forced to buy something to play. It's like a diabolical plot from a cheesy spy movie. Release the virus first, and then sell the vaccine!
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Post by TravLar on Dec 5, 2017 7:48:17 GMT -5
ma'ElKoth you got any shttrains to figure this out? After all inspirace's efforts... And I think he's onto something about the bot being the secondary target after the shield.
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Post by inspirace on Dec 5, 2017 8:47:01 GMT -5
GuitarGuy @macwarrobots hyderier Brimstone @dreamweaver okay guys, I have a theory explaining why my Galahad received exactly the half of the damage. the Shoktrucks considered the shield as the FIRST target, and after hitting the shieled it CHAINED to the main body of the Galahad as the SECOND target. hence the damage was reduced by 50%. the shield should have received full damage, but the Galahad shield, 176K at level 10, can stand the first two blasts. Didn't someone say that the Lancelot shield does block the Shocktrain? If so, then you're theory holds water, cause maybe on the Lancelot, the Shocktrain chains to all 3 shields before it hits the bot? I already wrote about it above in one of replies. If all shields were hit before the bot, it will deliver only 12.5% of the damage and almost block further chaining. So it may look like Lance is blocking the shot. OR this could be just happening in Galahad and Gareth, and there is no god damn consistency among bots, bcs some others said Rhino shield can block it, too. Please also see SuperHero ’s post above that Pix already admitted a bug and it will be fixed at 3.5. If it was a bug rather than intentional, more likely there will be inconsistencies. (cc TravLar : if it is a bug and to be fixed, we don’t need to do more experiments, unless you are curious ) ... Anyways, I just wanted to build multiple hypotheses that can be tested by experiments, to explain the exactness of the half damage observed in Galahad vs Shocktrucks. more alarming to me was the way the War Robots support responding to my inquiries. In short, “ we hope the issue was already solved (wait you didn’t do nor explain anything). If not please check our faq, answers to your questions may already be there (no it is not)” I posted the screenshot in one of my replies above. This shouldn’t be a response from a legitimate company.
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Post by AzureAura on Dec 5, 2017 9:07:36 GMT -5
This makes me question my sanity as my rhino's shield seems to absorb the hit when i face off against shocktrains. I always watch my health when I fight someone and it doesn't deplete, but what I noticed is that it bounces off the shield to strike someone else then back to me for like 5% of the original damage.
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Post by inspirace on Dec 5, 2017 9:58:21 GMT -5
This makes me question my sanity as my rhino's shield seems to absorb the hit when i face off against shocktrains. I always watch my health when I fight someone and it doesn't deplete, but what I noticed is that it bounces off the shield to strike someone else then back to me for like 5% of the original damage. nope, your sanity is fine. your experience is consistent with many others and also mine. in a battle just finished now, this good old Rhino completely blocked a direct hit with its shield and killed two Shocktrain Haechies during his short sortie: link to the video (720p)as SuperHero said above, this appears a bug specific to Galahad (and Gareth, according to other reports),
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 5, 2017 10:04:12 GMT -5
more alarming to me was the way the War Robots support responding to my inquiries. In short, “ we hope the issue was already solved (wait you didn’t do nor explain anything). If not please check our faq, answers to your questions may already be there (no it is not)” I posted the screenshot in one of my replies above. This shouldn’t be a response from a legitimate company. I think the REAL robot in War Robots is the customer service at Pix!
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Post by bugdoc on Dec 5, 2017 12:30:13 GMT -5
Just to add a little info, I've seen my Lance shields both deflect Shocktrains completely AND be penetrated by them and receive damage to the bot. I haven't been able to work out if the bug is random or if there is a certain parameter that causes the shield to fail. I also had an opportunity to 'test' my Bulgasari shield trying to cross the open plain on Springfield. I was hit at least 4 times fully on the shield by Shocktrains. In each case I could actually see the bolt chain from the shield to my bot, doing damage each time. I believe the OP is correct in that the bolt is chaining to the body as the second target in the chain. Just what we needed - a bug that makes an OP weapon even more so.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Dec 6, 2017 3:59:22 GMT -5
ma'ElKoth you got any shttrains to figure this out? After all inspirace 's efforts... And I think he's onto something about the bot being the secondary target after the shield. Neither got a shocktrain nor any shield bots aside from a Rhino.
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Post by TravLar on Dec 6, 2017 4:04:27 GMT -5
ma'ElKoth you got any shttrains to figure this out? After all inspirace 's efforts... And I think he's onto something about the bot being the secondary target after the shield. Neither got a shocktrain nor any shield bots aside from a Rhino. That's ok, Super-hero has confirmed its a bug so its likely to become a non-issue "Pixonic" soon.
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