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Post by GreenFace on Feb 24, 2017 9:54:17 GMT -5
... and it's why I think damage alone is a poor metric of "skill". Agree 100% with your statement. To this day, War Robots missions are all about territorial dominance. It's about tactics and teamwork, so I think end game standing should be determined by other aspects (outside damage gaining) as well. Let's say some formula that scoring beacons captured+level difference of the killer and the killed+damage inflicted+etc And performance rating shouldn't be based on who's winning/losing. I mean, whoever contribute/active enough in a battle, he/she should rewarded, despite of which team they were in. Maybe it's something like this: Winning team: 1. +10 2. +6 3. +2 4. -2 5. -4 6. -6 Losing team: 1. +5 2. +3 3. +1 4. -2 5. -6 6. -10 It's just an example. There are many more clever man than me whi can think of a better numbers ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 12:57:55 GMT -5
The new MM will never make sense if it keeps throwing these guys at my 7/8 hangar: ![](http://i.imgur.com/zwrnXhH.png) This was 5 mins ago. I really want to know what damn league I got placed in, because its not all that enjoyable getting my face kicked in on a regular basis. Yeah, I would too. I remember from video you posted earlier that you like similar weapon lay-outs and play style to myself and you are a better pilot than I am, but not THAT much better. I don't understand why you are seeing those TT hangars and I am not. I see 9/11 rarely but never 12/12. P.S. Time of day that I play has strong effect on the level of bots in play, just like the old MM. Thanks. I can assure you that I am no better a pilot than you are... it's more my willingness to fight to the death that is getting me into trouble with the new MM. I suspect the inability to promote between leagues (unless that too is happening in the background) might be keeping some of these bigger guns in whatever league I'm currently assigned to.
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Post by fijiwater on Feb 25, 2017 15:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I would too. I remember from video you posted earlier that you like similar weapon lay-outs and play style to myself and you are a better pilot than I am, but not THAT much better. I don't understand why you are seeing those TT hangars and I am not. I see 9/11 rarely but never 12/12. P.S. Time of day that I play has strong effect on the level of bots in play, just like the old MM. Thanks. I can assure you that I am no better a pilot than you are... it's more my willingness to fight to the death that is getting me into trouble with the new MM. I suspect the inability to promote between leagues (unless that too is happening in the background) might be keeping some of these bigger guns in whatever league I'm currently assigned to. war robots posted this on facebook explaining the new matchmaking ![](http://i.imgur.com/uMnlOcv.png) it leaves us guessing as to the lower win numbers because they were showing how it effects a squad, but still. shows a lot
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Post by BooBooKitty on Feb 26, 2017 1:29:44 GMT -5
Thanks. I can assure you that I am no better a pilot than you are... it's more my willingness to fight to the death that is getting me into trouble with the new MM. I suspect the inability to promote between leagues (unless that too is happening in the background) might be keeping some of these bigger guns in whatever league I'm currently assigned to. war robots posted this on facebook explaining the new matchmaking ![](http://i.imgur.com/uMnlOcv.png) it leaves us guessing as to the lower win numbers because they were showing how it effects a squad, but still. shows a lot Look at page 21 of this thread I posted the numbers for solo play.
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Post by frunobulax on Feb 27, 2017 6:44:57 GMT -5
I still wonder why those points are not damage and beacon dependant. The screenshot plainly shows one of the problems, two guys tanking get +4 points - why? OTOH, if you have 6 guys all in close range, say between 300 and 400k damage, there is no reason to give +13 to the best and only +4 to the last.
I still advocate adding a beacon bonus to the score, so total score is increased for every beacon captured. Then distribute/remove points depending on the score.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 0:32:01 GMT -5
You survived the rants move ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by fijiwater on Feb 28, 2017 0:52:38 GMT -5
now that the update dropped i get to see that the guys pushing my face in are in higher leagues than me. fun. diamond league? really? i'm 「fluffernutter」ing silver 1
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Post by Replicant on Mar 1, 2017 3:03:33 GMT -5
I got sorted in to Diamond 3. So far the matches have been pretty decent. I'm a 4 medium 1 light hanger, 8/8 across the board, and I'm still seeing more 9+ than 8 or less, but the only blowouts I'm seeing are when blue is blessed with tankers.
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Post by Yawgmoth on Mar 1, 2017 13:11:03 GMT -5
I got sorted in to Diamond 3. So far the matches have been pretty decent. I'm a 4 medium 1 light hanger, 8/8 across the board, and I'm still seeing more 9+ than 8 or less, but the only blowouts I'm seeing are when blue is blessed with tankers. I completely agree! The magical sorting hat had his way with me and I'm in Diamond 2 (almost nothing to 3, last I checked I was ranked second in the tier). What I noticed was a complete balance of my matches. I'm not seeing maxed hangers at all. Rather, I am seeing people with almost identical hanger types and levels, usually with equal skill level, or in my experience, lower skill level. It was almost as if Pix was intentionally pairing us up with crazy matches to sort out the sorting process. Think about it this way, for those of you who took the lovely GMAT for your MBA: The original sorting process would give you a moderate difficulty match. If you win, the game adapts and swings the match greatly pairing you with better pilots. If you somehow win again, it swings again giving you monster pilots. After that 5 game barometric placing, you are put into a tier where the matchmaker will always place you, putting you against moderately equal pilots. The only risk you run is against tankers. But why would you tank now that the ranking is out?
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Post by dgaf on Mar 1, 2017 19:16:59 GMT -5
The original sorting process would give you a moderate difficulty match. If you win, the game adapts and swings the match greatly pairing you with better pilots. If you somehow win again, it swings again giving you monster pilots. After that 5 game barometric placing, you are put into a tier where the matchmaker will always place you, putting you against moderately equal pilots. The only risk you run is against tankers. But why would you tank now that the ranking is out? Pretty sure the same match maker rules apply that you can get rubber banded as filler into matches as needed. I placed into Daimond II, but have gotten dropped into several matches where the majority are in Masters / Champion.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 1, 2017 20:26:12 GMT -5
The original sorting process would give you a moderate difficulty match. If you win, the game adapts and swings the match greatly pairing you with better pilots. If you somehow win again, it swings again giving you monster pilots. After that 5 game barometric placing, you are put into a tier where the matchmaker will always place you, putting you against moderately equal pilots. The only risk you run is against tankers. But why would you tank now that the ranking is out? Pretty sure the same match maker rules apply that you can get rubber banded as filler into matches as needed. I placed into Daimond II, but have gotten dropped into several matches where the majority are in Masters / Champion. It does seem that leagues are now the equivalent of the old tiers. But we still get the odd exceptions, just like before. In my recent matches, the profiles I've looked at, most people are in my league. Of the people who aren't in my league, most of the remainder are one league up or down. But I've spotted rare outliers as much as 3 leagues higher or lower IIRC the guy 3 leagues lower was platooning with someone who was my league - poor choice. I don't have an explanation for the 3 league higher guy.
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Post by BooBooKitty on Mar 1, 2017 21:32:12 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed is that the mm seems like it is willing to stretch across league divisions in order to place you randomly with a clan mate. As in, not squadding, but just randomly dropping into a game with a clan mate. I've seen clanmates and ppl in other clans random drop with each other with up to a 2000+ point disparity between one of the clannies and the rest of the players because of this. Maybe when dropping randomly into a game with a clanmate it treats it as if you are squadding and places you according to the player with the highest league score?
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Post by Yawgmoth on Mar 2, 2017 14:32:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure the same match maker rules apply that you can get rubber banded as filler into matches as needed. I placed into Daimond II, but have gotten dropped into several matches where the majority are in Masters / Champion. It does seem that leagues are now the equivalent of the old tiers. But we still get the odd exceptions, just like before. In my recent matches, the profiles I've looked at, most people are in my league. Of the people who aren't in my league, most of the remainder are one league up or down. But I've spotted rare outliers as much as 3 leagues higher or lower IIRC the guy 3 leagues lower was platooning with someone who was my league - poor choice. I don't have an explanation for the 3 league higher guy. Spoke too soon... Let me be clear that this is not me complaining, but I just pierced diamond II, and was blessed with a clan match of all Master level players on red. I have never seen a game end in 3 minutes because we all meched out, and each of us had 5 bots. Maybe that was just an anomaly though
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 3, 2017 20:16:06 GMT -5
Oh by the way, did anyone notice that there's a dividing line between #13 and #14 on the league standing screen? What's it for?
And how the standing is made? Seems many times the more trophy players put below the less trophy players.
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Post by fluffybunny on Mar 3, 2017 23:02:35 GMT -5
All easier and cheaper than FIXING THE LAG.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 4, 2017 1:47:41 GMT -5
Still hoping (or ranting endlessly) about a better matchmaking decisions? Hope for a balance or fairness? This is me: ![](http://i.imgur.com/zvF6sZ6.png) And these are my opponents: ![](http://i.imgur.com/mTjsfRv.jpg) See the weapons and bots compared to mine? You got the idea. If you don't, here's one of them: ![](http://i.imgur.com/8h6QxFn.png) See it now? Watch the top right corner, and you'll get the idea ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . So, to rant and hope that the game will be fair for you, is indeed a daydreaming without an end. All you can do is keep ranger on, or... move on to another game out there ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by fluffybunny on Mar 4, 2017 15:36:34 GMT -5
All you can do is keep ranger on, or... move on to another game out there ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . No kidding. They break what isn't broken and refuse to fix what IS broken. Lag has increased at a constant rate and now makes the game nearly unplayable. It's not my connection or my hardware, both are far in excess of what's needed to play this game. The problem is on Pixonic's end, and they refuse to fix it apparently.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 5, 2017 1:30:43 GMT -5
No kidding. They break what isn't broken and refuse to fix what IS broken. Lag has increased at a constant rate and now makes the game nearly unplayable. It's not my connection or my hardware, both are far in excess of what's needed to play this game. The problem is on Pixonic's end, and they refuse to fix it apparently. Oh I'm sorry to hear that. The connection is not really great here, but I've never experienced much lag or disconnection. Well, at least not too often.
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Post by fijiwater on Mar 5, 2017 17:08:11 GMT -5
Odd and annoying thing i've noticed
when leagues became visible i was in silver 1, and tanking almost completely stopped for me. Very very rare I saw it, to the point of not remembering if i ever saw it at all
I'm in gold 3 now and people are purposely tanking regularly. I'm talking like 1/3 games and sometimes 2 people do it! what the hell man
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Post by redpoint5 on Mar 5, 2017 21:58:52 GMT -5
Explain to me how I get matched with multiple level 20, 3-hanger players at a III silver rank when I'm ranked level I Expert? MM isn't randomly pairing people within their rankings, but instead loading the deck.
Furthermore, it's ridiculous that I can get a better score than 9 of the 12 players, get top beacon captures, and still lose points.
As if people needed more motivation to mindlessly charge into battle with guns blazing, there is yet another incentive to ignore beacons and focus entirely on getting high damage stats.
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Post by kasper on Mar 6, 2017 0:17:02 GMT -5
I hope so A weird effect I have seen personally is I can't engage someone long enough to do damage ... I just seem to die so quickly without inflicting damage I am barely getting 100k damage (my best score is 750k) my weapons just don't seem to be registering damage ... even when I pummel someone who is engaged with another teammate ... I still don't get big score maybe I'm just a sh1t pilot Oh wow I really thought it was just me! Have been hitting bots with all 3 of my Trident salvos but only 2% of their hp goes down when it should at least be 33%. And this problem is with other weapons too but not so significantily. Yes I am in range...xD >>> *** SAME EXACT THING HERE!!!! *** Wow, just wow! They really need to fix this major bug!!!!! <<<<
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 6, 2017 0:32:50 GMT -5
As if people needed more motivation to mindlessly charge into battle with guns blazing, there is yet another incentive to ignore beacons and focus entirely on getting high damage stats. Don't you know that there's this whisper in the heart of War Robots pilots nowadays: "If other people don't care about winning or losing, as long as they inflicted great damage and being greatly rewarded by Pixonic doing that, so why should I?" LOL ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ... I'm sure there's an awful lot of new pilots quickly learn that in War Robots, Damage Inflicted is GOD. So in the near future, they would apply the same attitude. And the newer pilots will learn the same from them. And so on...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 12:21:30 GMT -5
Do you get extra rewards for being in the top 50 League Legend?
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Post by miatahead on Mar 7, 2017 13:25:42 GMT -5
You get the, "I have no life" reward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 22:00:03 GMT -5
I know that "I have no life" feeling and it was great lol
Battlefield 2 was the game that did it, 32 vs 32. Every Battlefield game since then is like COD, thanks but no thanks.
I guess I'm trying to find other fun things or goals in War Robots as it's starting to go stale for me.
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 7, 2017 22:42:47 GMT -5
You get the, "I have no life" reward. LMFAO ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by GreenFace on Mar 7, 2017 22:48:33 GMT -5
I guess I'm trying to find other fun things or goals in War Robots as it's starting to go stale for me. To me, continue upgrading, completing daily tasks, and harvesting the WP are my only goals right now.
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Post by miatahead on Mar 8, 2017 12:40:39 GMT -5
My only real goal at this point is:
- Getting to a fully maxed hanger. Much harder than you think... Been playing just over a year now and still not quite there yet. - See how far I can reasonably get in Leagues before rage quit sets in or my patience runs out. I suspect I'll top out somewhere in Master.
After that, its build stupid stuff if the silver is there and probably play less. Which is probably a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 14:20:00 GMT -5
Maxing out hanger isn't a problem for my account (since I bought it from friend) I can do it anytime I want. I actually found tanking is more fun since I can use all bots and weapons at a level I find fitting.
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Post by llama4president on Mar 13, 2017 20:22:46 GMT -5
Hi, my first post in the forum, i started playing a few days ago.
The game is fun, but it's becoming a nightmare to play trying to win...
the matchmaker is pure crap! i meet regularly in the recruit league people with lvl 11-12 weapons and mechs..
the league system really needs some balance, like a mix of the old MM with the new one.
for example: if you want to play in recruit league, max lvl 4 weapons/mech.
if you want to equip that lvl 12 weapon, you gotta reach gold league or higher.
I reached bronze league some days ago just to be crushed by high lvl ppl with laser swords and las cannons.
This is not fun. i had to abandon my whole hangar and just put cossacks with shields so i could go back in the recruit league. Rly, this MM is total crap, today i had a battle where 1 guy had 780k damage and 11 kills, while all other ppl (friend and foes) were at 50-80k damage. and that guy had 700-800ish league points... i checked his hangar and had lvl 12 weapons on one mech, while the other 3 were with lvl 10-11 weaps.
If Pixonic thinks that *this* is fair, i will just continue to farm gold by doing 0 damage every battle and just capping. win win situation, if i win, i gain 5 gold, if i lose, i lose 20 league points, putting me farther from ppl with unfair hangars compared to mine. But i don't know how fun will be to play just for farming gold and avoiding to use my main hangar (2 griffins, 1 leo, 1 natasha)
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