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Post by Shockwave on Nov 22, 2017 10:57:24 GMT -5
Right after the update 3.4 I notice that the Aphids on my Griffin flyes much higher and can be curved like they (annoyingly) used to do.
Am I the only that notice this change?
Also I'm not liking the idea of silent buff and nerfs. The Ember got nerfed to 250m. Now it can't be used well with Tarans.
To me doing these silent modifications feels unprofessional.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 22, 2017 11:26:53 GMT -5
Ember was nerfed for 3.4 but Manni and a few others reported it on youtube. Been running aphids on my mk2 jesse since early v3.3 and yes the flight trajectory seems more rounded and curving the aphids around a corner seems more pronounced.
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Post by Domino on Nov 22, 2017 11:29:24 GMT -5
They don't want people to feel pissed when they publicly nerf/buff a weapon, so the resort to doing it secretly? pretty pathetic.
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Post by Shockwave on Nov 22, 2017 11:35:53 GMT -5
Ember was nerfed for 3.4 but Manni and a few others reported it on youtube. Been running aphids on my mk2 jesse since early v3.3 and yes the flight trajectory seems more rounded and curving the aphids around a corner seems more pronounced. I'm halfway through one but I'm not sure in I want one anymore. I planning to get one to use with Taran but after thia nerf I'm not sure anymore. I don't get why the Ember needs to be nerfed. Sure, It might be OP for someone but it's a PREMIUM weapons a very expensive one or hard to get.it needs to be powerful otherwise no one will buy it There are no good Short range weapons anymore. Both Thunder and Ember got nerfed meanwhile the Zeus hasn't been touched. That 5 sec reload is super annoying. The Aphids feels very different this version compared to the previous.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 22, 2017 11:37:45 GMT -5
It needs to be nerfed because the game itself is shot if money can purchase too much competetive advantage. Just as Dash robots and Shocktrain need to be nerfed.
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Post by moolamu on Nov 22, 2017 11:52:10 GMT -5
We're getting silent changes now, huh? So they can charge you money then nerf your purchase?
That's another new low, Pix. How low can you go?
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Post by krebby on Nov 22, 2017 11:52:39 GMT -5
It needs to be nerfed because the game itself is shot if money can purchase too much competetive advantage. Just as Dash robots and Shocktrain need to be nerfed. Agreed. There is also a secondary effect of selling unbalanced weapons/bots—it kills the market for selling balanced weapons/bots. Even now people feel disappointed with the fundamentally balanced Hoverbot. Not because the Bot isn't fun to play, but because Pixonic has trained them to expect a competitive advantage for their money.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 22, 2017 11:59:07 GMT -5
Yeah. I still think it would be better to nerf the hell out of DIES and piss off all the whales, because the whales will have no fodder if Pixo continues just for a little while. Maybe Android is still OK, but on FB - I (Champion) get thrown in matches that average 4-5 recruits. Nobody can convince me that the number of active players isn't crashing.
But I'm afraid that's not the way of Pixo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:59:11 GMT -5
We're getting silent changes now, huh? So they can charge you money then nerf your purchase? That's another new low, Pix. How low can you go? Thats not new, quite the opposite, its tradition.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 22, 2017 12:00:31 GMT -5
We're getting silent changes now, huh? So they can charge you money then nerf your purchase? That's another new low, Pix. How low can you go? Read their terms and conditions. They can completely remove any stuff you just bought without paying back a cent. (At least they think they can, assuming they think that their terms and conditions are worth more than the electrons used to make them appear on your screen, which I doubt.)
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 22, 2017 12:02:04 GMT -5
Yes, they got a silent buff, but I think Aphids deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 12:08:02 GMT -5
About the ember, its a bug, getting fixed already.
The silent buffnerf thing isnt bad in the first place imo, it could give experienced/motivated players an edge for a while, and contribute to variety in the meta.
Problem is when it becomes a money grabby thing like many times happened here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 12:11:19 GMT -5
Well i wouldn't say the buff was silent. Ios got this buff in the last update, so it was natural that pixonic will be buffing it for the android in next update.
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Post by moolamu on Nov 22, 2017 20:34:09 GMT -5
Well i wouldn't say the buff was silent. Ios got this buff in the last update, so it was natural that pixonic will be buffing it for the android in next update. Was it on the update memo on ios?
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Post by cmdrperalta on Nov 22, 2017 21:09:06 GMT -5
Ember was nerfed for 3.4 but Manni and a few others reported it on youtube. Been running aphids on my mk2 jesse since early v3.3 and yes the flight trajectory seems more rounded and curving the aphids around a corner seems more pronounced. I'm halfway through one but I'm not sure in I want one anymore. I planning to get one to use with Taran but after thia nerf I'm not sure anymore. I don't get why the Ember needs to be nerfed. Sure, It might be OP for someone but it's a PREMIUM weapons a very expensive one or hard to get.it needs to be powerful otherwise no one will buy it There are no good Short range weapons anymore. Both Thunder and Ember got nerfed meanwhile the Zeus hasn't been touched. That 5 sec reload is super annoying. The Aphids feels very different this version compared to the previous. The nerf is that they quit letting it shoot through walls which is not a nerf, so much as a bugfix, though who can tell in a world with shocktrain? But no good short range weapons? Taran, Orkan, Ember, Thunder? Thunder got a small nerf to damage but 2x buff to armor so it shreds armor now. That's mostly why I use mid-to-long weapons. Everything in close is just instant death unless you can dash or jump and avoid it.
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Post by maverick on Nov 22, 2017 23:13:02 GMT -5
Right after the update 3.4 Wouldn't know still waiting for 3.4
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Post by mechtout on Nov 23, 2017 0:17:20 GMT -5
Hear the Thunder got a buff too. My guess is the aphid and thunder got buffs to help promote the new Vortex and Storm which they will most likely be paired up with.
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Post by Nitro on Nov 23, 2017 0:46:51 GMT -5
After reading this thread, I took out my Aphid Gepard and sure enough I'm noticing much more responsive arcing and twisting. Basically my war robots wet dream- classic aphids~~
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Post by The VVatcher on Nov 23, 2017 0:56:51 GMT -5
Too bad this aphid buff works against non dashbots that's trying to kill dashbots. It will have no effect on Dashbots and encourages its use even more.
250 is a wierd number for the Ember. They should've made it 300m to match the Orkans.
Good to hear about Thunders. I didn't like the last nerf as a consequence of the buff it receive to shield breaking. Breaking the Galahad shield was never a concern for 2 reasons: 1.) Galahad's use was not what it used to, and 2.) Galahad was a legitimate counter to Carnage. Lancelot shield was already easy to break, same with Raijin.
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Post by Shockwave on Nov 23, 2017 2:23:42 GMT -5
I'm halfway through one but I'm not sure in I want one anymore. I planning to get one to use with Taran but after thia nerf I'm not sure anymore. I don't get why the Ember needs to be nerfed. Sure, It might be OP for someone but it's a PREMIUM weapons a very expensive one or hard to get.it needs to be powerful otherwise no one will buy it There are no good Short range weapons anymore. Both Thunder and Ember got nerfed meanwhile the Zeus hasn't been touched. That 5 sec reload is super annoying. The Aphids feels very different this version compared to the previous. The nerf is that they quit letting it shoot through walls which is not a nerf, so much as a bugfix, though who can tell in a world with shocktrain? But no good short range weapons? Taran, Orkan, Ember, Thunder? Thunder got a small nerf to damage but 2x buff to armor so it shreds armor now. That's mostly why I use mid-to-long weapons. Everything in close is just instant death unless you can dash or jump and avoid it. Whoops, I meant Heavy short range weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 8:50:03 GMT -5
Well i wouldn't say the buff was silent. Ios got this buff in the last update, so it was natural that pixonic will be buffing it for the android in next update. Was it on the update memo on ios? There are certain things which pixonic cannot mention in there update notes. Trajectory of the aphid can't be generalised, it entirely depends on the enemy position. Same goes for the hydra. If someday they remove that last minute 90° bending feature, they will not going to mention it.
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Post by Domino on Nov 23, 2017 8:55:03 GMT -5
Was it on the update memo on ios? There are certain things which pixonic cannot mention in there update notes. Trajectory of the aphid can't be generalised, it entirely depends on the enemy position. Same goes for the hydra. If someday they remove that last minute 90° bending feature, they will not going to mention it. They have in the past. environment change on the Aphids, modified arc trajectory. - DONE. Now we know there's a change and don't have to find out about it through social media or thinking we are going crazy
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Nov 23, 2017 9:14:26 GMT -5
Silent nerfs have always been a part of War Robots since I been playing November 2015) and they always will be, I guess.
Despite an 'effective range' being given to the Ember, similar to how the Thunder has an effective range, I think it is appropriate and I still want one.
i think nerfs of all the D.I.E.S equipment need (sometimes) drastic rebalancing... But the rebalancing doesnt affect my desire for the equipnent. I want some D.I.E.S stuff, not all. I wanted a Haechi; got a Kumiho. No longer want a Haechi but still not impressed with the Kumiho... Got a Scourge yesterday thru component collecting. Never really wanted one that much but after trying it on that Kumiho, seems cool enough.
Overall, I want a balanced game.
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Post by moolamu on Nov 23, 2017 9:38:41 GMT -5
I think silent changes have to be relatively inconsequential. Something like rounding up some numbers to the nearest ten/digit. Or shifting the placement of a thunder slightly forward because the artist thinks it looks better.
If they could silently nerf actual stats you know they will take advantage of it. Namely, to make old items less desirable to push the latest ones without community opposition.
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Post by DirtyLikaRat® on Nov 23, 2017 9:50:02 GMT -5
I noticed my Aphids at level 9 have damaged listed at 14k.14,000?!?!?!?
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Post by BastionOW on Nov 23, 2017 10:07:59 GMT -5
I noticed my Aphids at level 9 have damaged listed at 14k.14,000?!?!?!? Yeah, that's about right. A level 9 Aphid should do 14320 damage, given that you hit all missiles.
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Post by Nitro on Nov 23, 2017 16:53:22 GMT -5
I noticed my Aphids at level 9 have damaged listed at 14k.14,000?!?!?!? Yeah, that's about right. A level 9 Aphid should do 14320 damage, given that you hit all missiles. This is why I'm loving the Aphid trajectory buff. Level 9 Aphids on a Gepard pack quite a punch now!
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Post by Domino on Nov 24, 2017 9:54:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's about right. A level 9 Aphid should do 14320 damage, given that you hit all missiles. This is why I'm loving the Aphid trajectory buff. Level 9 Aphids on a Gepard pack quite a punch now! What for the lvl 12 patton aphids. boom! half your life is gone
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